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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1365 on: December 12, 2022, 10:14:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 12, 2022, 10:12:08 PM
That post is devastating.

“I only know that as a coach, you’re only as good as your roster, right?” Then goes on to talk about needing better players virtually everywhere.

There’s no way to defend that statement outside of being ok with bus tossing your current players.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1366 on: December 12, 2022, 10:14:42 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 12, 2022, 09:38:18 PM
He was specifically asked about future recruiting. He mentioned the fact the previous staff had left no depth on the O Line, and he pointed out they would have to recruit if they wanted to have success. Thus the jockey analogy. It was not a question about the current roster.

I don’t understand why you can’t adjust your position on this rather than regurgitating the same incorrect information you’ve been rolling with since the day you made a thread calling Bielema trash because you saw some BS from a Chicago sports talk meatball on the Twitter no one reads. It’s getting to the point of being willfully obtuse. You pride yourself on being reasonable and fair, but you’re justflat out wrong on this and refuse to acknowledge it.

The Underwood presser was infinitely worse.


https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-Bret-Bielema-roster-personnel-viral-comments-out-of-context-173570640/

Adding more words to what he said, doesn’t change what he said.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1367 on: December 12, 2022, 10:18:09 PM »
When you get the full quote, how you consider that worse than what Underachiever said is beyond me, but you be you (in the words of Coach Nagy).
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« Reply #1368 on: December 12, 2022, 10:19:37 PM »
Ok, after reading it all, it makes it a little better. He still made it clear he didn’t have the players he wants and want to upgrade virtually everywhere. Why couldn’t you have just added that context like a year ago? I’d say he still didn’t handle that question very expertly.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1369 on: December 12, 2022, 10:21:25 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 12, 2022, 10:18:09 PM
When you get the full quote, how you consider that worse than what Underachiever said is beyond me, but you be you (in the words of Coach Nagy).

Let’s put it this way, I don’t expect either of our coaches to lead the world in class or handle the press expertly. I’ve accepted that.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1370 on: December 12, 2022, 10:22:24 PM »
Seems to me both got baited and hooked themselves.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1371 on: December 12, 2022, 10:28:29 PM »
Bottom line is, when asked about his “recruiting philosophy” he doesn’t have to talk the next 2.5 minutes about his current roster being inadequate. He did that on his own.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1372 on: December 12, 2022, 10:54:04 PM »
I’ve posted that exact article here before, in a quote response to Tempo, as recently as October of this year.

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,155.msg54197.html#msg54197

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Interesting to quote something I was pretty much dead-on about. Said he needed a good staff and to open the pocketbook to get them, and that’s exactly what they have done. Walters is a stud that’s going to be a P5 HC sooner than later and Lunney has an exceptionally efficient offense that dominates TOP every week.

Still don’t buy that what he said was “egregious public shaming.” It was a snippet taken out of context and posted on twitter to be provocative, and you lapped it up while failing to do any further research into the bigger picture of what was said.

The players said it was a non-issue, they were so devastated by the egregious bus tossing that they went out the next week and beat #7 PSU in Happy Valley and damn near salvaged a bowl season out of a rough 1-4 start.

This is probably too long to read since it’s not in twitter format but gives some good insight into the meaning of the entirety of his comments pertaining to the massive future hole at O-line they were staring at.

“Bielema was referring to a future hole in his roster on the offensive line. The Illini currently have no offensive linemen who were recruited in the previous staff's last three recruiting classes. The two offensive linemen from the Class of 2019 are third-stringers. The three offensive linemen from the Class of 2020 have all transferred.”

Good stuff here:

https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-Bret-Bielema-roster-personnel-viral-comments-out-of-context-173570640/



Here’s where I tried to explain it over a year ago:

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28256.html#msg28256

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FFS he didn’t compare himself to a great jockey riding a bad horse. He said, “No one bets on the jockey, they bet on the horse, right? And to win the Derby you need the right horse.” Seems like a fairly apt analogy.

Is Alabama a dynasty because of Xs and Os or getting the best athletes year in and year out in? Wayner loves to talk about the correlation between recruiting highly ranked players in basketball with teams that win at a high level. But apparently our football coach points out that exact same correlation, he’s trash.

His comment about the O Line was specifically regarding the two deep having almost no contribution to the line which is a major problem. It’s objectively true.

He isn’t singling out the guys that are playing, he’s saying that after these guys are gone there is basically no production/experience to take their place because of poor roster construction by previous staff.

He then goes on to acknowledge that it has to be addressed and takes accountability for doing so. It’s one of those takes where I listen to it the first time and I’m kinda like 🤔 but then when I go back to it, it’s clear what his intent was and it wasn’t throwing anyone under the bus.

If you go back to the “Bielema is trash” thread itself, JJ posted a ton of contextual stuff and player quotes:

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28178.html#msg28178
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1373 on: December 12, 2022, 10:59:06 PM »
Back to basketball.....

Nobody really cares too much about Underwood's mini tirade is my guess. SI article has it filed as just a coach going off.

Nothing to see here whether you like it or not unless he loses the team which I highly doubt.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/12/10/illinois-basketball-brad-underwood-unleashes-blistering-rant-viral-fart-sound
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« Reply #1374 on: December 12, 2022, 11:07:58 PM »
He did something similar last year saying they were the softest team he’d ever coached and it seemed to get their attention.

I don’t have any problem with this after that effort the other day. And not just that, the bad habit of getting down big in the middle of games. That happened against UCLA and Texas and in two of the three losses.

Dom can say what he wants about offensive rebounds, but they looked like they’d rather be doing anything other than playing a basketball game. It’s one thing to have chemistry issues early on in a season after having enormous turnover, but effort is non-negotiable. Especially when we can run 8-9 quality players out there in waves.

If I have any concern over what he said it’s that it could potentially rattle the freshmen and they might start pressing or something. 🤷🏻‍♂️These older guys ought to know what to expect from Underwood by now.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1375 on: December 13, 2022, 02:08:32 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 12, 2022, 11:07:58 PM
He did something similar last year saying they were the softest team he’d ever coached and it seemed to get their attention.

I don’t have any problem with this after that effort the other day. And not just that, the bad habit of getting down big in the middle of games. That happened against UCLA and Texas and in two of the three losses.

Dom can say what he wants about offensive rebounds, but they looked like they’d rather be doing anything other than playing a basketball game. It’s one thing to have chemistry issues early on in a season after having enormous turnover, but effort is non-negotiable. Especially when we can run 8-9 quality players out there in waves.

If I have any concern over what he said it’s that it could potentially rattle the freshmen and they might start pressing or something. 🤷🏻‍♂️These older guys ought to know what to expect from Underwood by now.

They expected PSU to come in and not put up much of a fight and that we would just stretch it out at some point. They should have adjusted that idiotic view after the end of first half when they bitch slapped us with 47 points to go up 9.
PSU is possible tourney team. We were not ever engaged. We did not put in the effort. PSU had 9 steals and shot 50% with an Eff FG% of 61%.
These freshmen all played the highest level AAU and HS ball. I hope they knew what they were getting into at Illinois as I am sure it is out there. UW is not a new age teaching Brad Stevens or Jon Scheyer.

I think we will play hard from now on and those that do not will get the quick Curbelo hook.

As an aside-they need to fix Dainja's free throws. Under 50% now. Enough of the ball around his back shit and then slinging it from whatever spot he stops his little routine at.





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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1376 on: December 13, 2022, 06:38:14 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 12, 2022, 10:54:04 PM
I’ve posted that exact article here before, in a quote response to Tempo, as recently as October of this year.

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,155.msg54197.html#msg54197
 


Here’s where I tried to explain it over a year ago:

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28256.html#msg28256

If you go back to the “Bielema is trash” thread itself, JJ posted a ton of contextual stuff and player quotes:

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28178.html#msg28178

Still didn’t include the part where he said that in response to “what’s your recruiting philosophy” which is the key part for me. I still think he steps in a bit, but I will concede it’s not as bad as it looked, and I’ll even concede I apparently wasn’t that interested in hearing/reading rebuttals closely. My bad there. I was never aware it was a response to that question. I still think he could have answered the question without criticizing his roster, which he clearly did.

I’ll try to do better.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1377 on: December 13, 2022, 07:00:54 AM »
In conclusion, I’d say both coaches kind of took the bait and ran. I don’t expect either coach to teach a masterclass in media or PR anytime soon, so I guess it’s to be expected.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1378 on: December 13, 2022, 10:06:59 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 13, 2022, 06:38:14 AM
I’ll try to do better.

That's all we ask, Tempo....
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1379 on: December 13, 2022, 10:09:57 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 13, 2022, 10:06:59 AM
That's all we ask, Tempo....

I apologize for not being perfect like everyone else here.
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