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Re: Underwood
« Reply #810 on: December 22, 2021, 11:29:21 PM »
I know some were around back then but…

I grew up watching that late 90’s early 2000’s ball…

Still young during the 80s FF and the scandal etc and hensons downfall…

But even then it was exciting ball with a lean year here and there…In reality the Deion thing altered the 90s…Self doing what he did same…But we blame AD schmuck for not paying up…Too much damage has been done honestly…Would we be whooping back then over a win against a bad Mizzou team…I doubt it…Hopefully these guys get there, but I just don’t see Underwhelm as “the guy”…Can’t recruit…He’s getting the most out of what he does get…Something Weber and Groce didn’t do…
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #811 on: December 23, 2021, 01:51:58 AM »
Quote from: The_Truth on December 22, 2021, 11:29:21 PM
I just don’t see Underwhelm as “the guy”…Can’t recruit…He’s getting the most out of what he does get…Something Weber and Groce didn’t do…

We are indeed going to be in deep shit when all Groce’s recruits and his incoming top 20 class leave.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #812 on: December 23, 2021, 07:39:52 AM »
Underwood has killed it in recruiting. Wtf are you even talking about? And how in the hell is your post even relevant? It’s just a bunch of mumble jumble. Besides, you’ve lost your posting tights if I’m not mistaken.
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« Reply #813 on: December 23, 2021, 03:43:19 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 23, 2021, 07:39:52 AM
Underwood has killed it in recruiting. Wtf are you even talking about? And how in the hell is your post even relevant? It’s just a bunch of mumble jumble. Besides, you’ve lost your posting tights if I’m not mistaken.

How many 5 star guys has he recruited…

Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #814 on: December 23, 2021, 04:08:13 PM »
Quote from: The_Truth on December 23, 2021, 03:43:19 PM
How many 5 star guys has he recruited…

Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…

😂🤣 ok man, you do you.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #815 on: December 23, 2021, 04:33:20 PM »
Quote from: The_Truth on December 23, 2021, 03:43:19 PM
How many 5 star guys has he recruited…

Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…

That's a good point. How many did Self land during his brief stay? Kruger got a few,  but it was not repeatable. Henson was here 8 or 9 years before he beat Bob Knight for a recruit. He recruited 6? McD AAs from 1980 to 1989. 2 from King. 2 from Simeon. That's good for us, but Knight was getting 2 or 3 in every class back in the day.

These days, due to aau ball, the rating services tend to favor flashy mature athletes over skilled basketball players. Also, late bloomers get overlooked.
You can win recruiting 4 stars and underrated 3 stars that fit.

Guys like Eddie Johnson, Kendall Gill, Steve Bardo, Kenny Battle,  Kiwane Garris, Deron Williams, Trent Frazier, Andre Curbelo...

I haven't even mentioned the transfer portal.
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« Reply #816 on: December 23, 2021, 04:37:07 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 23, 2021, 04:33:20 PM
That's a good point. How many did Self land during his brief stay? Kruger got a few,  but it was not repeatable. Henson was here 8 or 9 years before he beat Bob Knight for a recruit. He recruited 6? McD AAs from 1980 to 1989. 2 from King. 2 from Simeon. That's good for us, but Knight was getting 2 or 3 in every class back in the day.

These days, due to aau ball, the rating services tend to favor flashy mature athletes over skilled basketball players. Also, late bloomers get overlooked.
You can win recruiting 4 stars and underrated 3 stars that fit.

Guys like Eddie Johnson, Kendall Gill, Steve Bardo, Kenny Battle,  Kiwane Garris, Deron Williams, Trent Frazier, Andre Curbelo...

I haven't even mentioned the transfer portal.

I would say Underwood is doing pretty damn good job on the recruiting side. Absolutely no complaints there.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #817 on: December 23, 2021, 05:33:03 PM »
Quote from: The_Truth on December 23, 2021, 03:43:19 PM
How many 5 star guys has he recruited…

Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…

next class has the top player from 3 different states

that's pretty good
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« Reply #818 on: December 23, 2021, 10:22:48 PM »
Don’t know that I’d go so far as to say that Underwood is “killing it,” in recruiting, but it certainly seems his recruiting is competent. Would like to see a McDonalds All-America enter the fold; but no real complaints from me regarding recruiting. Also feel like we will have a shot at a good transfer.
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« Reply #819 on: December 23, 2021, 10:38:54 PM »
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #820 on: December 24, 2021, 09:38:56 PM »
Quote from: The_Truth on December 22, 2021, 11:29:21 PM
I know some were around back then but…

I grew up watching that late 90’s early 2000’s ball…

Still young during the 80s FF and the scandal etc and hensons downfall…

But even then it was exciting ball with a lean year here and there…In reality the Deion thing altered the 90s…Self doing what he did same…But we blame AD schmuck for not paying up…Too much damage has been done honestly…Would we be whooping back then over a win against a bad Mizzou team…I doubt it…Hopefully these guys get there, but I just don’t see Underwhelm as “the guy”…Can’t recruit…He’s getting the most out of what he does get…Something Weber and Groce didn’t do…

Wow. Even Truth is out doing himself. This is his biggest hoax post I can recall over the decades. Usually he actually tries to make a point some naysayers would agree with.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #821 on: December 25, 2021, 12:26:49 AM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on December 24, 2021, 09:38:56 PM
Wow. Even Truth is out doing himself. This is his biggest hoax post I can recall over the decades. Usually he actually tries to make a point some naysayers would agree with.

Yeah. Even the real Truth is appalled by the ellipsis abuse.
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« Reply #822 on: January 06, 2022, 11:32:42 PM »
I’m going to give B-rad a little credit. Dude took over a perennial bubble team and took them to a one seed in year four. To his discredit he brought a defensive scheme that didn’t work in the big leagues and stuck with it too long. But he adapted it and Illinois became one of the best defensive teams in the country.

He got a generational big in Kofi and adapted his offense to fit both him and Ayo. When Ayo left he brought in a dead eye shooter transfer and when Curbelo went down they moved to a 4 out offense which has been supremely effective.

Tonight when the shots weren’t falling they adjusted and attacked the basket. They ratcheted up the defensive intensity. They call plays for the guys that can make plays.

Much to Lkdog’s chagrin (wish he was here again) B-rad has proven he isn’t a “roll the ball out coach” by showing a lot of versatility around the available personnel. These adjustments obviously don’t happen as fast as we’d like them to, but they’re happening and it’s undeniable.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #823 on: January 07, 2022, 12:11:21 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 06, 2022, 11:32:42 PM
I’m going to give B-rad a little credit. Dude took over a perennial bubble team and took them to a one seed in year four. To his discredit he brought a defensive scheme that didn’t work in the big leagues and stuck with it too long. But he adapted it and Illinois became one of the best defensive teams in the country.

He got a generational big in Kofi and adapted his offense to fit both him and Ayo. When Ayo left he brought in a dead eye shooter transfer and when Curbelo went down they moved to a 4 out offense which has been supremely effective.

Tonight when the shots weren’t falling they adjusted and attacked the basket. They ratcheted up the defensive intensity. They call plays for the guys that can make plays.

Much to Lkdog’s chagrin (wish he was here again) B-rad has proven he isn’t a “roll the ball out coach” by showing a lot of versatility around the available personnel. These adjustments obviously don’t happen as fast as we’d like them to, but they’re happening and it’s undeniable.

You seem to have some hard on with me. Don't know what that is about, but knock yourself out- it's your board.
I have hesitated to remind you about your insightful assessment of Plummer when your hero Underwood was not using him.
Plummer has been a life saver for us, at least in first half of season.

Underwood is a pretty average coach. Does some good things. Not bad, but nothing special. We looked pretty bad on both sides of the ball tonight without Kofi against a very weak MD team.
Still shows limited ability to make in game adjustments for long periods of time.

When he takes a team past the first round in the NCAA's he and you will have something to talk about.
Anything short of a S16 with this team will be a disappointment. I hope we make it. We certainly have the talent.




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Re: Underwood
« Reply #824 on: January 07, 2022, 12:46:00 AM »
That’s what I was looking for.
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