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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1185 on: April 01, 2022, 05:58:37 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 05:19:52 PM
I'm happy to admit when I was wrong.

I was wrong about Trubisky to some degree, but certainly not in the way you're implying.

I was wrong about John Groce.

I don't have a problem admitting I was wrong - I do have a problem with someone who insists I lie about what I said in order to 'be right'.

No one forced you to “sample size” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Nagy. You did that on your own.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1186 on: April 01, 2022, 06:00:29 PM »
Sorry to interrupt your little lover's quarrel, but when did Underwood get the nickname of the "ferret"?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1187 on: April 01, 2022, 06:03:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 05:58:37 PM
No one forced you to “sample size” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Nagy. You did that on your own.

Hard to continue a debate with someone who insists on lying about my stance.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1188 on: April 01, 2022, 06:08:01 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
Hard to continue a debate with someone who insists on lying about my stance.

Did you “sample size” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Brady, and just now Kentucky/Illinois?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1189 on: April 01, 2022, 06:11:06 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 06:08:01 PM
Did you sample size Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Brady, and just now Kentucky/Illinois?

Did I use a stretch where Mahomes was playing poorly and Trubisky playing well to point out the stupidity of crowning a guy halfway through his first season?  Yes.  Did I compare the two as players or pretend Trubisky was on Mahomes level?  No, not even close.

Did I use Belichick’s poor record without the literal best football player ever on his team to point out how stupid it was to discount someone’s success because they had good players?  Yes.  Phil Jackson too.  Did I say I thought Nagy was as good a coach as Belichick?  No, not even close.

I’m not sure in what way I “sample sized” Illinois and Kentucky.  I said I bet Kentucky wished they’d won their first round game by 1 when you were whining about a tournament game we won, which I do.  You said you wish we failed like they do, and I pointed out that they missed the tournament last year and lost a round before us this year, i.e. the last few years they have failed worse than us.  You brought up a 100 year history.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1190 on: April 01, 2022, 06:13:19 PM »
You tried to minimize Kentucky vs Illinois based on the last two years. You wouldn’t take their last decade (or name your frame here) over Illinois?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1191 on: April 01, 2022, 06:13:47 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 01, 2022, 06:00:29 PM
Sorry to interrupt your little lover's quarrel, but when did Underwood get the nickname of the "ferret"?

Only a moron complaining about a “six year extension” for Underwood would use that one.
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« Reply #1192 on: April 01, 2022, 06:14:00 PM »
Did you or did you not “sample size” said persons?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1193 on: April 01, 2022, 06:14:31 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 06:13:19 PM
You tried to minimize Kentucky vs Illinois based on the last two years. You wouldn’t take their last decade (or name your frame here) over Illinois?

Did I say that, or anything even remotely close to that?

Are you capable of being honest in a debate like this or is this lying and twisting words the only method you know?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1194 on: April 01, 2022, 06:15:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
Did you or did you not “sample size” said persons?

I’m not sure what that even means since it’s a verb you just made up like an hour ago, but I have explained pretty clearly - including two posts ago - and consistently my point in those discussions.  I can’t control whether you’re capable of grasping said point.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1195 on: April 01, 2022, 06:18:08 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 06:11:06 PM
Did I use a stretch where Mahomes was playing poorly and Trubisky playing well to point out the stupidity of crowning a guy halfway through his first season?  Yes.  Did I compare the two as players or pretend Trubisky was on Mahomes level?  No, not even close.

Did I use Belichick’s poor record without the literal best football player ever on his team to point out how stupid it was to discount someone’s success because they had good players?  Yes.  Phil Jackson too.  Did I say I thought Nagy was as good a coach as Belichick?  No, not even close.

I’m not sure in what way I “sample sized” Illinois and Kentucky.  I said I bet Kentucky wished they’d won their first round game by 1 when you were whining about a tournament game we won, which I do.  You said you wish we failed like they do, and I pointed out that they missed the tournament last year and lost a round before us this year, i.e. the last few years they have failed worse than us.  You brought up a 100 year history.

Belichik went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB.  So he proved himself a good coach without Brady.

Underwood with Kofi is like Gene Chizik with Cam Newton.  There’s a reason Auburn didn’t commit to a coach like that.  It was Cam that made them win a title.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1196 on: April 01, 2022, 06:19:27 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 01, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Belichik went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB.  So he proved himself a good coach without Brady.

Underwood with Kofi is like Gene Chizik with Cam Newton.  There’s a reason Auburn didn’t commit to a coach like that.  It was Cam that made them win a title.

Belichick is 51-65 without Tom Brady.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1197 on: April 01, 2022, 06:26:15 PM »
What’s Nagy’s record without Trubisky?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1198 on: April 01, 2022, 06:27:15 PM »
Sure, Tom Brady was a huge part of the equation; but you can’t look at 2 decades of enormous success in the NFL and say it was all the QB. Belichick built those teams. It was definitely a partnership.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1199 on: April 01, 2022, 06:29:10 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
I’m not sure what that even means since it’s a verb you just made up like an hour ago, but I have explained pretty clearly - including two posts ago - and consistently my point in those discussions.  I can’t control whether you’re capable of grasping said point.

So I guess you’re not going to go “yes or no” on something you obviously did.
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