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General Category => The Deuce => Topic started by: Reacher on August 07, 2024, 02:25:27 PM
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This deserves its own thread. Americans are going to love this guy. Progressives have been waiting for someone to step up and fill the void for Bernie and I think Walz is that guy in spades. I’m not sure he has a weakness (maybe Kamala and the Democratic Party, that’s it). He’s really good at finding weak spots where conservatives can be attacked. His framing is excellent (just call them weird!). 24 year veteran, teacher, football coach, people compare him to the guy at Home Depot that can explain for 20 minutes why you need hex bolts for your project. The guy is personable, smart, and gets things done.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Ntwwpph/IMG-8358.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nr7G6DP)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/qM4gH794/IMG-8359.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1H3p3jN)
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https://x.com/jojofromjerz/status/1820819884433109321?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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I think this guy will connect with the American people in a way that Bernie couldn’t quite do.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCyq1CtJ/IMG-8360.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3tZ6NQY)
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Maga trying hard to smear the guy before Americans get to him. I suspect it'll backfire due to the hypocrisy. Besides he comes across likeable.
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Mn has to be very excited about the prospect of voting for him.
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Mn has to be very excited about the prospect of voting for him.
I don’t think I’ve heard your point thoughts on him yet. Surprisingly.
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I don’t think I’ve heard your point thoughts on him yet. Surprisingly.
I do not know much about him. I know he was originally thought of fondly by the NRA and that changed after Sandy Hook. From what I have read so far, it appears he is pro gun control limits that I believe to be sane and respectful of the Second Amendment rights of responsible gun owners. I am hopeful that he is not one of the loony Squad-like Progressives and that all of you will be as disappointed in him as you were in Obama (who was never a "progressive wack job"). I will withhold judgment until I hear more.
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Tim Walz is everyone’s favorite uncle! I hear he’s really a good shot to boot. I think he played Otis on the Andy Griffith Show.
Gotta get me one of those Harris-Walz camo hats. A very fashionable, must-have for Jan 20th.
https://store.kamalaharris.com/harris-walz-camo-hat/
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Tim Walz is everyone’s favorite uncle! I hear he’s really a good shot to boot. I think he played Otis on the Andy Griffith Show.
Gotta get me one of those Harris-Walz camo hats. A very fashionable, must-have for Jan 20th.
https://store.kamalaharris.com/harris-walz-camo-hat/
Might need it for vote certification day ("January 6th")....
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Might need it for vote certification day ("January 6th")....
Biden can drop the full weight on any election interference until Jan 20 ("Official Duty").
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Biden can drop the full weight on any election interference until Jan 20 ("Official Duty").
Yeah, but a bunch of FOID card and weapons carrying camo hat wearing individuals assisting in protecting the certification would be something to see, wouldn't it?
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Say hello to the Walz family cat.
https://youtu.be/gJeB5WdCUDs?si=5znNaCt2H7n0Sj3I
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Might need it for vote certification day ("January 6th")....
Ok, that was funny.
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Ok, that was funny.
Thank you.
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You would think Trump would approve of Walz thinking that felons should be allowed to vote.
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Really amusing that a guy who was in the Marines as an officer in "Public Relations" is testing a guy who was an enlisted man for 24 years.
"Then he dropped out right before his unit was deployed!"
Yeah - at 40+ years of age. To run for Congress.
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I saw a timeline that had his unit getting called up like a year or two after he retired.
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I saw a timeline that had his unit getting called up like a year or two after he retired.
2005
He filed for office in Feb.
In March word came of a partial mobilization, nothing specific.
Walz retired in May
Warning of pending mobilization for his former unit was in mid-July.
Official notice in August
Deployment in October
Hagen, Behrends, and Herr are fos.
Walz can say he served as Command Sargeant Major. For benefits, he retired as Master Sargeant.
The weirdo Vance says using in instead of during is stolen valor
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The guy who let Minneapolis burn to the ground, of course all the limp wrist libs on here approved of that
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The guy who let Minneapolis burn to the ground, of course all the limp wrist libs on here approved of that
Can you give me an example of when using force to quash public dissent went particularly well? Trump let people ransack the Capitol.
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The guy who let Minneapolis burn to the ground, of course all the limp wrist libs on here approved of that
Limp wristed liberals like Trump who told him he did a good job?
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https://x.com/jojofromjerz/status/1820819884433109321?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
I am not surprised that The Whitlock follows Jo 🤣
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Maga trying hard to smear the guy before Americans get to him. I suspect it'll backfire due to the hypocrisy.
Trying to smear political opponents? You don’t say…
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https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1821215515605381197?s=46
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I am not surprised that The Whitlock follows Jo 🤣
“The Whitlock?” What’s wrong with her? Only like women who are barefoot and in the kitchen?
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https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1821215515605381197?s=46
Not saying I’m pro-censorship, but not surprising Golf would be in favor of misinformation and hate speech.
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Trying to smear political opponents? You don’t say…
Republicans do this to the nth degree.
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Republicans do this to the nth degree.
Doubt this is a hill to die on, Tempo.
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Attacking Walz's military record just makes them look weird.
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Maga trying hard to smear the guy before Americans get to him. I suspect it'll backfire due to the hypocrisy. Besides he comes across likeable.
There's an old saying in politics, define your opponents before they define themselves. That’s a key reason Blagojevich was elected Governor for a second term. His early political ads against Judy Baar Topinka were brutal. One featured Topinka dancing the polka with George Ryan, linking her to the Operation Safe Road scandal. Ouch!
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Doubt this is a hill to die on, Tempo.
Both sides do it. Republicans are even worse. What hill is there to die on?
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There's an old saying in politics, define your opponents before they define themselves. That’s a key reason Blagojevich was elected Governor for a second term. His early political ads against Judy Baar Topinka were brutal. One featured Topinka dancing the polka with George Ryan, linking her to the Operation Safe Road scandal. Ouch!
Before he was elected to his first term, I saw Blago try to tie his opponent (Tim Ryan I think it was) to some incident in which a family of 6 died in a car crash (something to do with Secretary of State?) during a debate. And I thought to myself “this cocksucker is no good.” Man, was I right.
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There was a coordinated smear campaign launched against JD Vance almost immediately after the announcement. Someone on Twitter made something up about him fucking a couch, which went viral, and is now being referenced at rallies by no other than Tim Walz himself. It’s funny af, but please let’s not try and say one party is taking the high road. Same party whose friendly media has spent countless thousands or millions of hours dissecting and broadcasting every single negative—real and imagined—about Donald Trump.
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Before he was elected to his first term, I saw Blago try to tie his opponent (Tim Ryan I think it was) to some incident in which a family of 6 died in a car crash (something to do with Secretary of State?) during a debate. And I thought to myself “this cocksucker is no good.” Man, was I right.
You mean George Ryan and the commercial truck drivers license scandal that came to light when that family was killed and then Ryan got convicted? That incident? The one where Blago was actually right?
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There was a coordinated smear campaign launched against JD Vance almost immediately after the announcement. Someone on Twitter made something up about him fucking a couch, which went viral, and is now being referenced at rallies by no other than Tim Walz himself. It’s funny af, but please let’s not try and say one party is taking the high road. Same party whose friendly media has spent countless thousands or millions of hours dissecting and broadcasting every single negative—real and imagined—about Donald Trump.
Heard JD Vance likes fucking couches. When he is not wearing eyeliner.
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You mean George Ryan and the commercial truck drivers license scandal that came to light when that family was killed and then Ryan got convicted? That incident? The one where Blago was actually right?
I think Tempo means Jim Ryan, who was attorney general when he ran against Blagojevich the first time. He's right that Blago linked Jim Ryan with the George Ryan scandal. From Wikipedia:
"In the general election, Blagojevich defeated Republican Illinois Attorney General Jim Ryan.[20] Blagojevich's campaign was helped by his well-connected father-in-law, Chicago alderman Richard Mell.[20] Ethics scandals had plagued the previous administration of Republican George Ryan (no relation to Jim Ryan), and Blagojevich's campaign focused on the theme of "ending business as usual" in state government.[30] Polls prior to the election found that many Illinois voters were confused about the names of George Ryan and Jim Ryan, a fact which Blagojevich used to his advantage.[31] He asked, "How can you replace one Ryan with another Ryan and call that change? You want change? Elect a guy named Blagojevich."[31] Blagojevich won with 52% of the vote over Jim Ryan.[31] On election night, he said: "Tonight, ladies and gentlemen, Illinois has voted for change."[30]"
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I think Tempo means Jim Ryan, who was attorney general when he ran against Blagojevich the first time. He's right that Blago linked Jim Ryan with the George Ryan scandal. From Wikopedia:
"In the general election, Blagojevich defeated Republican Illinois Attorney General Jim Ryan.[20] Blagojevich's campaign was helped by his well-connected father-in-law, Chicago alderman Richard Mell.[20] Ethics scandals had plagued the previous administration of Republican George Ryan (no relation to Jim Ryan), and Blagojevich's campaign focused on the theme of "ending business as usual" in state government.[30] Polls prior to the election found that many Illinois voters were confused about the names of George Ryan and Jim Ryan, a fact which Blagojevich used to his advantage.[31] He asked, "How can you replace one Ryan with another Ryan and call that change? You want change? Elect a guy named Blagojevich."[31] Blagojevich won with 52% of the vote over Jim Ryan.[31] On election night, he said: "Tonight, ladies and gentlemen, Illinois has voted for change."[30]
Ok. That makes sense. Very good. Kudos to Alum for clearing this up. Continue on, Tempo!
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Ok. That makes sense. Very good. Kudos to Alum for clearing this up. Continue on, Tempo!
I shouldn’t admit this, but I met Blago twice; once when he was serving in the Illinois General Assembly and another time at a statehouse press conference. You could tell that there wasn’t much there. He obviously went further than he should have in politics, thanks to his father-in-law Dick Mell.
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Can someone please show me where I said Democrats don’t do it as well? But there are a number of Republicans in Congress and TV who’ve made entire careers of slandering Democrats. Democrats do it, Republicans have mastered it.
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There was a coordinated smear campaign launched against JD Vance almost immediately after the announcement. Someone on Twitter made something up about him fucking a couch, which went viral, and is now being referenced at rallies by no other than Tim Walz himself. It’s funny af, but please let’s not try and say one party is taking the high road. Same party whose friendly media has spent countless thousands or millions of hours dissecting and broadcasting every single negative—real and imagined—about Donald Trump.
The material writes itself with JD Vance. Bet Trump was regretting that decision within 12 hours.
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There was a coordinated smear campaign launched against JD Vance almost immediately after the announcement. Someone on Twitter made something up about him fucking a couch, which went viral, and is now being referenced at rallies by no other than Tim Walz himself. It’s funny af, but please let’s not try and say one party is taking the high road. Same party whose friendly media has spent countless thousands or millions of hours dissecting and broadcasting every single negative—real and imagined—about Donald Trump.
Trump to JD: “Break out the eye-liner and bronzer---we are going on the road!!!”
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There was a coordinated smear campaign launched against JD Vance almost immediately after the announcement. Someone on Twitter made something up about him fucking a couch, which went viral, and is now being referenced at rallies by no other than Tim Walz himself. It’s funny af, but please let’s not try and say one party is taking the high road. Same party whose friendly media has spent countless thousands or millions of hours dissecting and broadcasting every single negative—real and imagined—about Donald Trump.
So wait, you’re gonna cry about unfair coverage of Donald Trump? The dude who told something like 17,000 lies in one term as POTUS? Trump has muddied the waters on his own. The dude a virtual dog and pony show on Covid daily during the pandemic.
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Heard JD Vance likes fucking couches. When he is not wearing eyeliner.
I’d say attacking Walz on his military career is 14x worse than accusing someone of fucking a couch.
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I’d say attacking Walz on his military career is 14x worse than accusing someone of fucking a couch.
I do not know. What type of couch was it?
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Yes, Jim, Tim, George, Patrick…a lot of fucking Ryan’s floating around this state.
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The guy who let Minneapolis burn to the ground, of course all the limp wrist libs on here approved of that
That was actually Brett Favre
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The material writes itself with JD Vance. Bet Trump was regretting that decision within 12 hours.
Hard to say. It's a long haul in this race, he is somewhat untested, but JV has time to mature, and eventually make the first team.
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Yes, Jim, Tim, George, Patrick…a lot of fucking Ryan’s floating around this state.
Don't forget Jack.
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I’d say attacking Walz on his military career is 14x worse than accusing someone of fucking a couch.
I wouldn't think the Trumpers would want to bring up military records..
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I wouldn't think the Trumpers would want to bring up military records..
They do, and somehow they get away with it. Because one thing they’ve done is master the smear campaign and mastered messaging.
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They do, and somehow they get away with it. Because one thing they’ve done is master the smear campaign and mastered messaging.
Spam bots calling Walz a deserter. Also saying he lied about his record.
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Trying to smear political opponents? You don’t say…
The point I made was the timing. They were scrambling to attack Walz before we the people got to know to him.
The right wing had a lot more on Bill Clinton. It never stuck because he was likeable. Hillary was an easier target.
I don't see anything they have sticking to Walz.
That was my point.
Plus, guy who served 4 years questioning a guy who served 24 over his use of propositions is not a good look.
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https://youtu.be/ZjYGlBcJtXM
Equal outcomes for everyone!
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Zzzzzzzz. Anyone with a functioning brain knows those words mean nothing. She’s not going to radicalize the system.
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And by “outcomes,” she probably meant “opportunity,” but I digress. Your life won’t significantly change even if she does everything “she wants.”
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Trying to smear political opponents? You don’t say…
Right. Both sides do it. Clear Channel talk radio, Fox News, NY Post, Sinclair, and so on tells lies about the Democrats 24/7/365.
MSNBC, and CNN tells the truth about Trump.
NYT and WaPo hits both sides.
Most of the MSM bends over backwards trying to treat Trump fairly.
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Right. Both sides do it. Clear Channel talk radio, Fox News, NY Post, Sinclair, and so on tells lies about the Democrats 24/7/365.
MSNBC, and CNN tells the truth about Trump.
NYT and WaPo hits both sides.
Most of the MSM bends over backwards trying to treat Trump fairly.
Started off solid but then kinda fell flat.
MSNBC and CNN are 24/7 Trump fear porn, NYT and WaPo are not even close to middle ground organizations, and there’s maybe some truth to the last sentence when it comes to local news and such.
Fortunately there aren’t any media outlets telling lies, exaggerating, or pushing agenda about Republicans or Independents because those kind-hearted folks in the left leaning media always take the high road.
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MSNBC and CNN are 24/7 Trump fear porn,
I note you didn't say they are *lying* - just that it's fear porn. Presumably accurate, just scary?
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I note you didn't say they are *lying* - just that it's fear porn. Presumably accurate, just scary?
I don’t pay enough attention to know how much is accurate, it’s just every time I’m at the gym and I use a treadmill or stairclimber those two stations have been locked on nonstop breathless Trump coverage for years now. There’s no doubt they exaggerate and talk about stuff that’s not even important, assuming they are droning on about the same stuff published literally everywhere.
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Most of the MSM bends over backwards trying to treat Trump fairly.
You are one stupid motherfucker, jesus christ
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Anyone who doesn’t know that Trump is a clear and present danger to American democracy is either full of the dumb or loves an autocratic strongman.
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You are one stupid motherfucker, jesus christ
It’s mostly true. The mere fact they typically treat him as a serious political figure and not the felon and sexual predator that he is is proof enough. Serious journalists would be working to ensure he can’t run and would be going to prison, where felons belong. The fact there isn’t a large outcry by the media that a felon is on the verge on being re-elected president tells you all you need to know. If journalists were doing their jobs, he’d in jail. The media loves Trump because he’s great for ratings.
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There’s no media outcry? What the actual fuck are you talking about? All the mainstream media has done since 2015 is blast Trump for all things real or imagined. Because, as you say, it’s good for ratings.
Also that political show trial was a complete sham and all it did was serve to galvanize Trump’s base and imo did little to dissuade swing voters.
And furthermore, journalists don’t have any power anymore and cancel culture isn’t long for this world.
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If the press were actually doing their jobs Trump wouldn’t even be in the race. Sure, the Rachel Maddow’s (and believe me, I’m no big fan of Maddow haven’t watched her in at least 4-5 years) of the world are attacking Trump left and right, but by and large they are negligent in their coverage of Trump. This article explains it well.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-harris-biden-2016-2024-election
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Anyone who doesn’t know that Trump is a clear and present danger to American democracy is either full of the dumb or loves an autocratic strongman.
Or they believe it is all exaggerated and think that his financial policies will put more cash in their pocket and the nastier shit won't impact them as it is not directed at them.
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If journalists did their job he'd be in jail? Huh? They are not prosecutors. If Merrick Garland had gotten off his ass from the start, maybe.
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Or they believe it is all exaggerated and think that his financial policies will put more cash in their pocket and the nastier shit won't impact them as it is not directed at them.
His supporters don't care if Trump's fit to be President or not. All they care about is that he hits the same grievances and whinny complaints, and hates the same people, as they do.
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If journalists did their job he'd be in jail? Huh? They are not prosecutors. If Merrick Garland had gotten off his ass from the start, maybe.
I understand they are not prosecutors, but he should be covered as the criminal that he is, not the favorite to win the presidency.
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There is no pressure on people like Garland because the media (and the political establishment) protect him. They legitimize him.
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I don’t pay enough attention to know how much is accurate
That explains a lot
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There’s no media outcry? What the actual fuck are you talking about? All the mainstream media has done since 2015 is blast Trump for all things real or imagined. Because, as you say, it’s good for ratings.
Also that political show trial was a complete sham and all it did was serve to galvanize Trump’s base and imo did little to dissuade swing voters.
And furthermore, journalists don’t have any power anymore and cancel culture isn’t long for this world.
Give one example of a situation where Trump was blasted for something imagined. Show your work.
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His supporters don't care if Trump's fit to be President or not. All they care about is that he hits the same grievances and whinny complaints, and hates the same people, as they do.
Yes.
I don't like to say "whinny complaints" - but he's playing a great tune. A lot of people are unhappy with their lot in life. Aside from it being unpleasant to blame one's self for your lot in life, in a country as rich as this one, if you aren't participating, there probably is a thumb on the scale against you.
Trump - either through ignorance or malice - develops a narrative that hits.
You got laid off or not being paid a lot. There are X number of Mexicans who came to the US and are working. They must have taken your job. But the labor market for Mexicans crawling across the border and marginally skilled US native citizens with reasonable English skills doesn't have a lot of overlap. You aren't losing your job to a Mexican, the Mexican is keeping your consumer prices lower. But that conclusion doesn't fix your problem.
Some kids in your area died of fentanyl. Must be the Mexicans smuggling it across the border. In fact, if there is demand for drugs, that demand will be satiated, imported through the border or home grown. I saw multiple billboards on I-70 in Missouri - "Fentanyl - an unwanted party guest" warning of the dangers of questionable street drugs. We don't have those billboards here. Drug use is more prevalent when despair is more prevalent. Fix the despair, fix the drug use - you can't just try to put a finger in the fentanyl dike, it will flow in some other hole. But it's hard to create better conditions and probably requires some governmental help but if you've been told the government is the problem and that they are wasting your tax dollars, a lot easier to just blame Mexico and we can send mens with guns and save our kids.
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You are one stupid motherfucker, jesus christ
The last time, it turned out you had an issue with Judeo.
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It’s mostly true. The mere fact they typically treat him as a serious political figure and not the felon and sexual predator that he is is proof enough. Serious journalists would be working to ensure he can’t run and would be going to prison, where felons belong. The fact there isn’t a large outcry by the media that a felon is on the verge on being re-elected president tells you all you need to know. If journalists were doing their jobs, he’d in jail. The media loves Trump because he’s great for ratings.
He gets a level of deference Biden never got.
https://www.youtube.com/live/McXjpQFFN90
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Give one example of a situation where Trump was blasted for something imagined. Show your work.
This is just a snippet from his first year in office. I can get into NATO and other meatier things when I have some time.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/07/12/trump-lies/
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This is just a snippet from his first year in office. I can get into NATO and other meatier things when I have some time.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/07/12/trump-lies/
Have things to do right now, but I expect I’ll be digging into this later!
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I understand they are not prosecutors, but he should be covered as the criminal that he is, not the favorite to win the presidency.
Both can be true though
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There is no pressure on people like Garland because the media (and the political establishment) protect him. They legitimize him.
Bullshit. Garland was playing under rules that no longer apply. That's his fault.
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Have things to do right now, but I expect I’ll be digging into this later!
Yes I have a real job that occasionally requires some effort
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I like the Walz pick a lot and it's the Demcrats doing something they should've done 30 years ago: run random big heart good faith working or middle class people who can't be outflanked on street cred by anyone the Rs might run.
Re Trump, he's an example of how to the political media, only Democrats have agency or are held to a moral compass.
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I’m glad there’s at least some mainstream media that doesn’t have Tempo’s binary thinking and attempts to cover different perspectives. A sizable subset of the nation believes the Trump trial by Democrats for Democrats was a farce, and it isn’t exactly the same people that believe the election was stolen. Let CNN and MSNBC beat that drum…the others don’t want to permanently run off close to half their viewership.
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This is just a snippet from his first year in office. I can get into NATO and other meatier things when I have some time.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/07/12/trump-lies/
This is pretty weak assed stuff. That he really took notes? Recited an Irish proverb? I was expecting something of real substance here.
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This is pretty weak assed stuff. That he really took notes? Recited an Irish proverb? I was expecting something of real substance here.
Did I not qualify that when I posted it? But classic examples of just endless nitpicking and out of context BS that takes away from legitimate gripes.
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Did I not qualify that when I posted it? But classic examples of just endless nitpicking and out of context BS that takes away from legitimate gripes.
Don't know if this shit was widely reported, but I get the larger point.
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Trump press conference; won't embed:
https://www.youtube.com/live/lgrMzNXM1jA
A reaction::
https://youtu.be/ZD-oTJ49nls
Note that numerous sites fact checked former President Trump after the debate..
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Did I not qualify that when I posted it? But classic examples of just endless nitpicking and out of context BS that takes away from legitimate gripes.
There are two disputed points I can think of. The one where he mocked the disabled reporter and 'good people on both sides'. He and his people came up with credible defenses.
Trump is like the Bob Knight of politics. Knight's teams fouled all the time; Trump lies all the time. It becomes impossible to call / call out all of them in real time. Knight worked and intimidated the refs; Trump works and intimidates the press.
Fans could look at tapes and point out all the bad calls after the game is over and lost. Just like the media fact checking Trump in the days after the press conference or speech is over.
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Both can be true though
Shouldn’t be, though. 20 years ago a mere affair took you down. Now, felonies, sexual assault, and fraud barely get noticed.
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I understand they are not prosecutors, but he should be covered as the criminal that he is, not the favorite to win the presidency.
+1
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It’s mostly true. The mere fact they typically treat him as a serious political figure and not the felon and sexual predator that he is is proof enough. Serious journalists would be working to ensure he can’t run and would be going to prison, where felons belong. The fact there isn’t a large outcry by the media that a felon is on the verge on being re-elected president tells you all you need to know. If journalists were doing their jobs, he’d in jail. The media loves Trump because he’s great for ratings.
If only the journalists could do their jobs and get through to these people!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/7G17dR5/IMG-6672.jpg) (https://ibb.co/19mHtd5)
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If only the journalists could do their jobs and get through to these people!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/7G17dR5/IMG-6672.jpg) (https://ibb.co/19mHtd5)
Trump justifies their racial, ethnic, and religious bigotry.
Some of them are poor and uneducated. Many are doing fairly well for themselves. They own businesses. They are farmers, teachers, bus drivers, butchers, and nurses.
They watch Fox and listen to AM talk radio. One of their local networks is probably owned by Sinclair. They hang with like minded people at Facebook and never fact check anything. They think Kamala and AOC are complete idiots. Don't understand why anyone would vote for them. They love how Trump stands up for America against our allies.
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If only the journalists could do their jobs and get through to these people!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/7G17dR5/IMG-6672.jpg) (https://ibb.co/19mHtd5)
I love the irony of backing cops and backing a felon.
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Some of them are poor and uneducated. Many are doing fairly well for themselves. They own businesses. They are farmers, teachers, bus drivers, butchers, and nurses.
Collecting farm subsidies, have government jobs, drive on rural roads subsidized by urban tax dollars, cutting meat that is affordable due to the aforementioned farm subsidies.
I like nurses though. Not exactly Trump's demographic however.
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Collecting farm subsidies, have government jobs, drive on rural roads subsidized by urban tax dollars, cutting meat that is affordable due to the aforementioned farm subsidies.
I like nurses though. Not exactly Trump's demographic however.
Nurses in exurbs and rural areas don't fit the usual profile.
There are Democrats and left of center Independents here. They don't advertise the fact. No need to invite vandalism.
Certain races are contested here. President is not one of them.
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Nurses in exurbs and rural areas don't fit the usual profile.
There are Democrats and left of center Independents here. They don't advertise the fact. No need to invite vandalism.
Certain races are contested here. President is not one of them.
Ray doubling and tripling down on stereotypes in this thread
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Trump justifies their racial, ethnic, and religious bigotry.
Some of them are poor and uneducated. Many are doing fairly well for themselves. They own businesses. They are farmers, teachers, bus drivers, butchers, and nurses.
They watch Fox and listen to AM talk radio. One of their local networks is probably owned by Sinclair. They hang with like minded people at Facebook and never fact check anything. They think Kamala and AOC are complete idiots. Don't understand why anyone would vote for them. They love how Trump stands up for America against our allies.
A lot of this is true. This may blow your mind, but they’re also doctors, lawyers, working class black and Hispanic people, middle class white suburbanites of various educational backgrounds, Indian immigrants that own businesses, and other groups that feel like they did just fine under Trump and don’t like what they see as a shift of center to the left over the past few years.
Time to let go of the whole Basket of Deplorables thing.
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Haha, yeah. Custard doesn't like and won't vote for Trump tho.
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Mostly I just want my avatar out there. You know. Dick in my mouth. lol
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Name's Ernest by the way. Nice to meet you.
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There is a lot of semi-truck traffic on these "rural roads subsidized by urban tax dollars"
When Pritzker took office, the rural roads and even highways were in piss poor condition. That pretty much changed overnight.
Lots of people here still hate him over mask mandates and so-called lock downs.
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Stereotypes only apply and are acceptable when liberals and progressives wanna use them…
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A lot of this is true. This may blow your mind, but they’re also doctors, lawyers,
The doctors I know that talk politics are definitely left of center. So many of the younger ones are saddled with debt. They have paid for years, and owe more than when they started.
Their staffs are shifting left.
Lawyers are a mixed bag. One I know remembers the 8% gdp growth and $1.50 gas Trump created.
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There is a lot of semi-truck traffic on these "rural roads subsidized by urban tax dollars"
When Pritzker took office, the rural roads and even highways were in piss poor condition. That pretty much changed overnight.
Lots of people here still hate him over mask mandates and so-called lock downs.
I-55 isn't a "rural road" - it's a transportation corridor. There are plenty of roads to nowhere that service 3-4 homes out in the fields.
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I-55 isn't a "rural road" - it's a transportation corridor. There are plenty of roads to nowhere that service 3-4 homes out in the fields.
There is semi traffick on those back roads. They were banned at one time decades ago.
locals like moi also use the back roads to avoid highways and Interstates.
Those back roads also interconnect small towns.
Lots of trucks also use parts of 47, 45, and 1 presumably to avoid the weigh stations and interstate traffick or as a short cut.
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Haha, yeah. Custard doesn't like and won't vote for Trump tho.
I never have before but some of the tropes here kinda make me want to. People that work hard and build things get tired of being talked down to by people who oftentimes haven’t done shit.
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There is semi traffick on those back roads. They were banned at one time decades ago.
locals like moi also use the back roads to avoid highways and Interstates.
Those back roads also interconnect small towns.
Lots of trucks also use parts of 47, 45, and 1 presumably to avoid the weigh stations and interstate traffick or as a short cut.
I'm talking about the dead end 3 mile road my Aunt and Uncle live on in Dwight. 4 houses in that 3 mile stretch. Very nice blacktop.
And similar roads. Not transportation corridors, or even arterials.
Sure as hell isn't paved with just their property taxes
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I never have before but some of the tropes here kinda make me want to. People that work hard and build things get tired of being talked down to by people who oftentimes haven’t done shit.
In before Tempo (or his multiple mults today)...
"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
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Thank God for men like Custard, or this country would be nothing.
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In before Tempo (or his multiple mults today)...
Why are you spreading misinformation?
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I'm talking about the dead end 3 mile road my Aunt and Uncle live on in Dwight. 4 houses in that 3 mile stretch. Very nice blacktop.
And similar roads. Not transportation corridors, or even arterials.
Sure as hell isn't paved with just their property taxes
Those are the minority.
The interesting thing to me is the overall improvement in the roads with Pritzker and he gets little or no credit.
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People are too focused on his toilets.
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I suspect roads are something the average person only notices if they are bad.
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Thank God for men like Custard, or this country would be nothing.
You mean Pritzker?
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You mean Pritzker?
He should share a cell with Trump
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He should share a cell with Trump
Would make a great reality TV show! Real billionaire shares cell with phony billionaire!
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He should share a cell with Trump
But he made the roads good
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25k tax credit to buy a house should really help bring housing prices in line 🤣
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25k tax credit to buy a house should really help bring housing prices in line 🤣
This is a modification of something Biden proposed. No details yet.
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25k tax credit to buy a house should really help bring housing prices in line 🤣
Why do you hate first-time home buyers so much?
The home builders like her proposals, but they want to see more focus on the supply side of the equation. Sounds like an opportunity for bi-partisan legislation if she's elected.
https://www.nahb.org/news-and-economics/press-releases/2024/08/nahb-commends-vice-president-harris-focus-on-boosting-housing-production
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Why do you hate first-time home buyers so much?
I hate policies that sound good and/or make people feel good but don’t actually help the situation or even make it worse.
Government money is a big reason behind the runaway housing market and inflation to begin with. Tax credits will just serve to inflate the market further unless supply is addressed. Which would then drive up raw materials costs if it isn’t handled correctly.
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I read somewhere that the price will have to reflect fair market value in the area.
Also, there will be incentives to rehab existing properties. Just don't file for property tax credits while rehabbing the plumbing. /s
Government spending does not cause inflation. Inflation happens when demand for a product or service seriously exceeds supply.
If there is a severe housing supply shortage; then increasing demand via government spending might possibly increase home prices.
Musk and Trump are arguing that printing money (QE) somehow magically reduces the value of money, causing inflation.
Yet Trump ran massive deficits with near zero inflation.
We experienced inflation when we had pandemic related supply shortages, pent up demand as the economy recovered, service sector wage increases, and opportunistic price gouging.
The Trump and Biden Stimulus packages helped the recovery and in that contributed to inflation marginally.
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If there is a severe housing supply shortage; then increasing demand via government spending might possibly increase home prices.
That's a real issue and the reason industry groups have called for more policies to spur supply growth, in addition to providing homebuyer support.
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Yeah, but what about stolen valor?
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That's a real issue and the reason industry groups have called for more policies to spur supply growth, in addition to providing homebuyer support.
I have also read that at least 10% of our housing is vacant. Something like 15 million homes.
I am guessing some of it is in bad neighborhoods or inconvenient locations. Or vacant rentals.
Are they talking rehabbing old units or building new ones? Both?
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Are they talking rehabbing old units or building new ones? Both?
It looks like the recent policy proposal is focused mostly on building new housing units. But there was a White House announcement in June, indicating that federal grants were available to convert commercial property to housing, improve energy efficiency in HUD-supported housing and support efforts to update manufactured housing. I think HUD has some loan and assistance programs for home repairs and improvements, which is probably being managed by the states.
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The housing plank is sadly, junk.
Let's say there are 10 families, and 8 houses. Due to this, the price of a house is $1 million.
If you give the 2 homeless families a million bucks, they won't be able to buy one of the houses, or if one is sold, it just displaces the other family.
It's ok to "print money" to help people out as long as there is supply - people on this thread have noted that.
OK, so Harris says that they are gonna build a bunch of houses. Great. Certainly if there are incentives to developers - including that sweet $25k downpayment money - they would be willing to build!
It's incredibly ironic that these words come out of the mouth of Kamala Harris - former District Attorney for the City of San Francisco. San Francisco has the most legal obstacles to housing development in the Bay Area. The Bay Area has the most legal obstacles to housing development of any place in the world. It's insane, someone could try to tear down a rat and blackberry bush infested shithole and build a nice home on it and the neighbors will place piles of discretionary review on it, or try to get the blighted rat trap designated as a "historical property" because Emperor Norton had a beer there once.
It's not even simple to figure out the motivation for these roadblocks - usually it's that the neighbor is worried that the new home will block their view. Often they are 3rd generation in their home living hand to mouth, and don't want new people in the neighborhood. Or maybe they're just crazy gadflies.
There was something in there about building on "Federal Land". That should be interesting. There is some "Federal Land" in SF - the old Presidio Military Base. Good luck building there. "Somehow" it will get taken off the list (Pelosi cough cough). But most "Federal Land" is in the middle of fucking nowhere - where we don't need any houses. Let's build some halfway between Sparks and Winnemucca and people can commute 90 miles to the Gigafactory.
To be clear, Trump has no answer either. This all comes down to a couple things that are a third rail.
1) Overriding local control on housing/zoning
2) Restrictions on 2nd homes. That's a taking.
We own 3, all in housing stressed locations. We'll be getting a long term tenant for one now that we purchased the newest one, but the Tahoe place stays AirBnB until the County finishes banning them. People in Douglas County aren't super smart. They think that if people can't AirBnB their ski houses they will have to sell or get a long term tenant. It probably *costs* me money to have tenants in Tahoe, given the fairly small rents, the cost of running the heat and hot water, and the damage that tenants do. It's worth it just to have foot traffic so we detect roof leaks or pest invasions.
If they ban AirBnB, we'll just stop renting it out and let friends use it for free. The carrying cost is bupkus. The house is depreciated so the tax bill on a sale would be large compared to just letting my son inherit it. Whatever money is left from a sale, what would I do with it? Put it in the stock market? Owning that home is diversification.
It makes me queasy because really, we're part of the problem. The tax code has so many incentives - deferring capital gains, property tax basis, stepped up basis on inheritance - to NOT sell. If we make it more tax efficient to sell, it's a giveaway to rich landowners.
Really the only solution is to somehow make localities match their housing supply to jobs. We give incentives for businesses to start in certain locations, and the local governments are very willing to take the new jobs. Screw it - if you don't commit to housing the workers, you don't get any tax incentives for jobs.
Building more housing has the added benefit of reducing the lucrative business of being an existing homeower, which brings more inventory to market.
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OK, so Harris says that they are gonna build a bunch of houses. Great. Certainly if there are incentives to developers - including that sweet $25k downpayment money - they would be willing to build!
also the irony of Kamala Harris, from SF, talking about 25k for downpayments, when her home area a down payment is probably 10-20x that.
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I read somewhere that the price will have to reflect fair market value in the area.
Also, there will be incentives to rehab existing properties. Just don't file for property tax credits while rehabbing the plumbing. /s
Government spending does not cause inflation. Inflation happens when demand for a product or service seriously exceeds supply.
If there is a severe housing supply shortage; then increasing demand via government spending might possibly increase home prices.
Musk and Trump are arguing that printing money (QE) somehow magically reduces the value of money, causing inflation.
Yet Trump ran massive deficits with near zero inflation.
We experienced inflation when we had pandemic related supply shortages, pent up demand as the economy recovered, service sector wage increases, and opportunistic price gouging.
The Trump and Biden Stimulus packages helped the recovery and in that contributed to inflation marginally.
Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.
We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.
Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?
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Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.
We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.
Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?
The last time all the banks were allowed to fail the Nazis went through Poland and did not stop until they hit Stalingrad in the East, France in the West, and North Africa. That all ended with Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting bombed. Good times.
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My 401k kicked some ass last week. I don't know.
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Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.
We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.
Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?
The main reason for inflation was the supply problems. There was a wage factor too. And opportunistic price gouging.
The Trump and Biden stimulus packages contributed. They also prevented disinflation and a depression.
Did you think the unfettered free market determines food prices now? Price supports are complex.
The government can get a lot more active in breaking up monopolies, going after price fixing, that sort of thing.
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The main reason for inflation was the supply problems. There was a wage factor too. And opportunistic price gouging.
The Trump and Biden stimulus packages contributed. They also prevented disinflation and a depression.
Did you think the unfettered free market determines food prices now? Price supports are complex.
The government can get a lot more active in breaking up monopolies, going after price fixing, that sort of thing.
WTF you trying to do with our eyes, Nichi?
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Yeah, don't ever do that again with that font. Fuck, Nichi. What are you doing?
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Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.
We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.
Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?
Food industry consolidation has played a major role in higher food prices. With fewer players, it’s easier for companies to raise prices in tandem. The newest trick is to charge us the same for less product. And it looks like we'll be facing more grocery consolidation, with Kroger gobbling up its competitor, Albertsons.
https://carolinaforward.org/blog/grocery-prices/
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Food industry consolidation has played a major role in higher food prices. With fewer players, it’s easier for companies to raise prices in tandem. The newest trick is to charge us the same for less product. And it looks like we'll be facing more grocery consolidation, with Kroger gobbling up its competitor, Albertsons.
https://carolinaforward.org/blog/grocery-prices/
Thank you for not fucking with the font....
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Yes, thank you Alum.
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The last time all the banks were allowed to fail the Nazis went through Poland and did not stop until they hit Stalingrad in the East, France in the West, and North Africa. That all ended with Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting bombed. Good times.
Yeah it wasn’t going to be all of them and I didn’t realize you were so pro-corporate welfare. Those fuckers not only got off scot-free, they got filthy rich doing it. Most of my generation got fucked in that deal with a massive transfer of wealth to the rich. Then we gave a bunch of money to the rich again in 2020-21 over a bogus economic lockdown.
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And the frogs are turning gay
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Yeah it wasn’t going to be all of them and I didn’t realize you were so pro-corporate welfare. Those fuckers not only got off scot-free, they got filthy rich doing it. Most of my generation got fucked in that deal with a massive transfer of wealth to the rich. Then we gave a bunch of money to the rich again in 2020-21 over a bogus economic lockdown.
He’s a corporate centrist through and through.
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Yeah it wasn’t going to be all of them and I didn’t realize you were so pro-corporate welfare. Those fuckers not only got off scot-free, they got filthy rich doing it. Most of my generation got fucked in that deal with a massive transfer of wealth to the rich. Then we gave a bunch of money to the rich again in 2020-21 over a bogus economic lockdown.
I doubt you are doing that badly.
We can criticize how this all went down and who should have been held accountable and how. However, ignoring what has happened when banks and economies fail is missing a large piece of why what happened happened.
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He’s a corporate centrist through and through.
Sorry you missed playing cosplay and supporting fucking mysogonistic scum today. Maybe you can wear your mask and headscarf while in the house.
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Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.
Indeed. Before COVID, Tempo would have a couple of eggs for breakfast. Then he got that sweet sweet stimulus money and then he would sit down and eat 50 eggs!
America has an epidemic of obesity, in the best of times we eat way too much food. Then you posit that suddenly there is this stimulus and we eat MORE food?
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Indeed. Before COVID, Tempo would have a couple of eggs for breakfast. Then he got that sweet sweet stimulus money and then he would sit down and eat 50 eggs!
America has an epidemic of obesity, in the best of times we eat way too much food. Then you posit that suddenly there is this stimulus and we eat MORE food?
That is a good point. Even many of our poor are obese.
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That is a good point. Even many of our poor are obese.
That can a bit of a counter point - the most expensive and least available food is healthy food, though not clear that this is where the price increases hit the most
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Sorry you missed playing cosplay and supporting fucking mysogonistic scum today. Maybe you can wear your mask and headscarf while in the house.
Thousands of dead women and children were mysoginists?
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Thousands of dead women and children were mysoginists?
Yes or supported misogynists.
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Indeed. Before COVID, Tempo would have a couple of eggs for breakfast. Then he got that sweet sweet stimulus money and then he would sit down and eat 50 eggs!
America has an epidemic of obesity, in the best of times we eat way too much food. Then you posit that suddenly there is this stimulus and we eat MORE food?
I’ve covered this I don’t know how many times. The markets tend to right size themselves to supply chains and vice versa over time. Then we go and shut down chunks of the supply chain due to COVID, some processing plants mysteriously blow up, maybe we get an avian flu, and then we throw gasoline on the fire by printing trillions of dollars, some of which ends up in the hands of families and individuals; even more which ends up going to corporations in one of the largest scams in history.
Now the centralized food processors have trillions of reasons to collude with each other to keep the party going so they throttle supply and keep demand even more artificially high than it already was. (Same exact thing happens to farming inputs when commodity prices go up—the price of every farming input magically goes right up with the markets then stays high for a while then comes back down with commodity prices)
Then the all-inclusive resorts and cruise ships and restaurants and everything else opens back up and food waste returns to normal.
Families have an abundance of cash and pent up demand which puts pressure on the housing market and start overpaying for regular vehicles etc.
That cash runs out eventually for many of them and they realize all their staple foods have gone way up so they start eating less healthy food and eat more processed grain based crap and get even fatter. The healthier whole foods stay high because people doing well are still willing to pay for them and the market is more easily controlled.
Assuming adequate supply, the price eventually will creep back down for most staple foods because they’re abundant and cheap and even the top heavy processing businesses can’t get rid of more food than people can eat. Beef may be an exception—I don’t think I’ll ever see it “cheap” again in my lifetime. (Which is sad to me because it’s delicious and one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles.)
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People use modern day food stamps to buy more soda than anything else. The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.
I can understand the argument that food is too cheap, but I’m more inclined to believe that the true problem with obesity in this country is lack of affordable healthy options, lack of education, and increasingly sedentary lifestyle.
I heard recently that something like 33% of kids under 18 are prediabetic. Maybe it’s a matter of time before junk food gets the tobacco treatment—if it got half the pushback the beef industry gets we might actually get through to people. And why the hell can people buy soda and Doritos with EBT? Corn lobby isn’t the only reason.
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I'm interested where you got the stat from about the soda.
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I’ve covered this I don’t know how many times. The markets tend to right size themselves to supply chains and vice versa over time.
Beef may be an exception—I don’t think I’ll ever see it “cheap” again in my lifetime. (Which is sad to me because it’s delicious and one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles.)
People use modern day food stamps to buy more soda than anything else. The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.
I heard recently that something like 33% of kids under 18 are prediabetic. Maybe it’s a matter of time before junk food gets the tobacco treatment—if it got half the pushback the beef industry gets we might actually get through to people. And why the hell can people buy soda and Doritos with EBT? Corn lobby isn’t the only reason.
I'll truncate your word salad and focus on this stuff.
"Markets tend to right size themselves over time to supply chains and vice versa over time". Perhaps you didn't read the post you are responding to. In order for that process to happen, businesses have to expand using debt - but Trump appointee Jerome Powell jacked up interest rates and prevented it from happening. If COVID funding went to existing companies, they have no incentive to use that money to expand if they are profiting heavily because competition is bogged down by high interest rates.
Do you see the irony of
1) one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles
2) The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.
If we feed cattle feed corn - complete junk and the primary ingredient in soda, and not what cattle have evolved to feed upon - why is it you think that garbage input produces good food.
Your argument here is also pretty bogus in that - if you make the argument that a hamburger is one of our most nutrient dense foods, you ignore that the input cost is so high that we could produce substantially more sum total nutrients at the same cost. Measured in dollars, measured in water, measured in arable land, measured in fertilizer costs, measured in waste disposal, and on and on. The attack on beef is not a coordinated attack - it's just simple economic realities that it's inefficient. We've responded to this inefficiency by making the product more and more inferior, while depleting water supplies and being poor stewards of land (our own with 10/10/10 NPK and the runoff into the waterways, Amazonian land via mass burning, etc...)
As for soda - soda taxes have been proposed in many places - mostly blue areas (NYC and SF are the primary examples). The lobbying against them wasn't by big corn, it was the American Beverage Association. The argument has been the standard pablum of your ilk - "But muh freedom".
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Yes or supported misogynists.
I don’t think small children know who they support.
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I don’t think small children know who they support.
They are well programmed over there. Like Hitler Youth.
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Tempo, you can be dangerously naive at times. Like, Harris-Walz are just evil to a lesser degree than Trump.
It appears your Horrendous Fields Takes were just the tip of the Tempo Dumb Takes Iceburg.
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They are well programmed over there. Like Hitler Youth.
They’re children.
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Or they were. Until they were deaded.
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I'll truncate your word salad and focus on this stuff.
"Markets tend to right size themselves over time to supply chains and vice versa over time". Perhaps you didn't read the post you are responding to. In order for that process to happen, businesses have to expand using debt - but Trump appointee Jerome Powell jacked up interest rates and prevented it from happening. If COVID funding went to existing companies, they have no incentive to use that money to expand if they are profiting heavily because competition is bogged down by high interest rates.
Do you see the irony of
1) one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles
2) The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.
If we feed cattle feed corn - complete junk and the primary ingredient in soda, and not what cattle have evolved to feed upon - why is it you think that garbage input produces good food.
Your argument here is also pretty bogus in that - if you make the argument that a hamburger is one of our most nutrient dense foods, you ignore that the input cost is so high that we could produce substantially more sum total nutrients at the same cost. Measured in dollars, measured in water, measured in arable land, measured in fertilizer costs, measured in waste disposal, and on and on. The attack on beef is not a coordinated attack - it's just simple economic realities that it's inefficient. We've responded to this inefficiency by making the product more and more inferior, while depleting water supplies and being poor stewards of land (our own with 10/10/10 NPK and the runoff into the waterways, Amazonian land via mass burning, etc...)
As for soda - soda taxes have been proposed in many places - mostly blue areas (NYC and SF are the primary examples). The lobbying against them wasn't by big corn, it was the American Beverage Association. The argument has been the standard pablum of your ilk - "But muh freedom".
Sorry it went over your head.
There was nothing partisan in my post, there is no irony between those two statements, (sure grain fed beef won’t be as nutritious as grass fed, but beef animals still rearrange a grain based diet into high quality protein with high mineral and vitamin content that’s not that easy and cheap or tasty to get from plants themselves)
I’m aware beef production is inefficient which is why I said it was under attack, and drinking a lot of soda is stupid and not a position of my “ilk”
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Tempo, you can be dangerously naive at times. Like, Harris-Walz are just evil to a lesser degree than Trump.
It appears your Horrendous Fields Takes were just the tip of the Tempo Dumb Takes Iceburg.
If you think corporate centrists are the best a society can do, perhaps it is you that is programmed.
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Tempo, you can be dangerously naive at times. Like, Harris-Walz are just evil to a lesser degree than Trump.
It appears your Horrendous Fields Takes were just the tip of the Tempo Dumb Takes Iceburg.
Independents obviously think different than you.
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They’re children.
Who are taught to hate once they can walk.
Ever see the school curriculum over there? If not, you should. But you won't unless it fits in a Twottter post.
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https://x.com/thedailyshow/status/1825708049039790266?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Independents obviously think different than you.
The you are independently a moron if you think that.
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Who are taught to hate once they can walk.
Ever see the school curriculum over there? If not, you should. But you won't unless it fits in a Twottter post.
Nothing says “I’m a reasonable adult”
like making the case that Palestinian kids deaths can be justified by their own “bad decisions.”
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Nothing says “I’m a reasonable adult”
like making the case that Palestinian kids deaths can be justified by their own “bad decisions.”
Hitler Youth are Hitler Youth.
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Nothing says “I’m a reasonable adult”
like making the case that Palestinian kids deaths can be justified by their own “bad decisions.”
And of course you are too fucking intellectually lazy to look at the curriculum.
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And of course you are too fucking intellectually lazy to look at the curriculum.
Let’s just say an 8 year old has an actual choice in the matter (they don’t, but we’ll pretend they do). Toddlers and babies deserve to die because of their own bad decisions? You’re ridiculous.
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Let’s just say an 8 year old has an actual choice in the matter (they don’t, but we’ll pretend they do). Toddlers and babies deserve to die because of their own bad decisions? You’re ridiculous.
Let's just say you are too intellectually fucking lazy to read anything other than morons on The Twotter. We know. We all saw your Fields Takes.
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Let's just say you are too intellectually fucking lazy to read anything other than morons on The Twotter. We know. We all saw your Fields Takes.
Blaming kids for the way they are indoctrinated is literally one of the dumbest fucking takes I’ve ever heard.
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Blaming kids for the way they are indoctrinated is literally one of the dumbest fucking takes I’ve ever heard.
Their terrorist supporting parents should have left when they got the warnings what was coming. Too bad for the terrostist supporters and their Hitler Youth kids.
You going to go cosplay today at the DNC with the 200 other terrorist supports who want Trump to win?
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The problem is you view Palestinians as less than human. You’ve indicated as much multiple times. You’re a radical on this issue. You are far from the norm.
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What if the women and kids were Trump supporters?
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Their terrorist supporting parents should have left when they got the warnings what was coming. Too bad for the terrostist supporters and their Hitler Youth kids.
You going to go cosplay today at the DNC with the 200 other terrorist supports who want Trump to win?
Many did leave. And some died anyway. Netanyahu knows that once they leave, they are gone for good. And that was always his plan.
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The problem is you view Palestinians as less than human. You’ve indicated as much multiple times. You’re a radical on this issue. You are far from the norm.
After yesterday, don't see how you can say that.
The problem is a) there is no one to negotiate a 2 state solution with. They refuse to even come to the table because b) they don't want a 2 state solution. They want a 1 state solution.
So you are just whistling Dixie until they decide to show up and bargain in good faith. Until that time, the wack jobs in the West Bank will just keep taking more and more land.
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I’ve never said it wasn’t a complicated issue.
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What if the women and kids were Trump supporters?
Good one. He views them as less than human
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I’ve never said it wasn’t a complicated issue.
Good thing you don't stick you head in the sand and parrot what you see on The Twitter then.
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Many did leave. And some died anyway. Netanyahu knows that once they leave, they are gone for good. And that was always his plan.
He does not have a plan. That is obvious.
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Here’s a Gazan man who took his family elsewhere seeking shelter. His twin babies and wife were killed anyway. Oops.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna166514
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Here’s a Gazan man who took his family elsewhere seeking shelter. His twin babies and wife were killed anyway. Oops.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna166514
Picking a shelter next to Hamas operations is not the way to go, is it?
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Here’s a Gazan man who took his family elsewhere seeking shelter. His twin babies and wife were killed anyway. Oops.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna166514
Abu Al-Qomasan said he had been working outside Gaza for years as an accountant before returning to the enclave for the wedding,
Hmmmm
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Picking a shelter next to Hamas operations is not the way to go, is it?
(https://i.postimg.cc/hvzx2QC5/IMG-8515.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Abu Al-Qomasan said he had been working outside Gaza for years as an accountant before returning to the enclave for the wedding,
Hmmmm
Ironic that ALWAYS seems to be the case.
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Those 4 day old babies should have made better decisions.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/hvzx2QC5/IMG-8515.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Would you trust Hamas humanitarian organizations to be honest at this point?
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Those 4 day old babies should have made better decisions.
Father should not have been a dumbass.
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What if the women and kids were Trump supporters?
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xSDMm1T/IMG-8516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4Yp2H4M8)
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Father should not have been a dumbass.
Ironic how it is the Palestinian’s fault EVERY time.
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Would you trust Hamas humanitarian organizations to be honest at this point?
Where does it say there were Hamas?
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Ironic how is the Palestinian’s fault EVERY time.
Certainly this guy made a mistake.
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Where does it say there were Hamas?
Who the fuck do you think gets to operate in there?
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Who the fuck do you think gets to operate in there?
Humanitarian groups. Not all of them “Hamas.”
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Show me where it says “Hamas humanitarian groups.”
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Humanitarian groups. Not all of them “Hamas.”
Who do you try think they have to make deals with to operate there?
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Certainly this guy made a mistake.
Just like every other dead Palestinian. Including the babies.
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I don’t see anything that indicates Save the Children is run by Hamas.
https://www.savethechildren.org/
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Is the Red Cross run by Hamas?
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Who the fuck do you think gets to operate in there?
“Gazan scum?”
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Just like every other dead Palestinian. Including the babies.
Palestinians: Making Mistake After Mistake Since the 1930s.
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“Gazan scum?”
NGO collaborators.
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Is the Red Cross run by Hamas?
Run? No. Fed misinformation by them? Yes. Bribe them? Yes.
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Every thread is the same crap
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Take it to the Israel v Palestine thread!
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https://www.axios.com/2024/08/19/netanyahu-ceasefire-hostage-deal-demands
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The problem is a) there is no one to negotiate a 2 state solution with. They refuse to even come to the table because b) they don't want a 2 state solution. They want a 1 state solution.
Who is they?
If you say "The Palestinians" - you are right.
If you say "The Israelis" - you are right.
Not on a person by person basis, but collectively as a function of the current leadership, regardless of Hamas' somewhat informal categorization as "leadership"
Israel/Gaza/West Bank is a shit show. Anyone who says there is an easy answer is a moron. Anyone who thinks there is an easy answer that the US could simply influence and make happen - is probably lying in order to foment some sort of political upheaval for ends completely unrelated to Israel/Gaza
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Take it to the Israel v Palestine thread!
+1
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The U.S. could probably wield more influence but they will never play hardball with Israel. U.S. leadership will sign off on anything Israeli leadership wants. Always.
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The U.S. could probably wield more influence but they will never play hardball with Israel. U.S. leadership will sign off on anything Israeli leadership wants. Always.
Trumpers are worried that you have cornered the tinfoil hat market.
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Trumpers are worried that you have cornered the tinfoil hat market.
Kewl.
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When have we ever played hardball with Israel? We give them everything they want. More AID? Here you go! More weapons? Here you go! You’re literally not even allowed to criticize Israel or risk being called anti-Semitic.
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Don’t overlook that Israel is running an apartheid state, btw. The great example of democracy in the Middle East!
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We literally just gave standing ovation after standing ovation in the U.S. Capitol to a guy conducting genocide and you think our leadership isn’t kowtowing to Israel?
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Hit me with another quip, though.
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Don’t overlook that Israel is running an apartheid state, btw. The great example of democracy in the Middle East!
You're almost as bad as the MAGAt I talked to on the street today.
It's pretty amusing. In mixed company - the MAGAs always waffle around and give dog whistles under their breath, thinly veiled.
At one point he said "you and I are both smart, and thinkers, trying to figure out which way to go", I said "I'm not figuring anything out, I already figured out what I'm going to do, and I've got the balls to say so".
Along the way I talked about how Trump was throwing all sorts of random BS against the wall, like "no taxes on tips" - I said that I think it's bullshit that if someone at McDonalds earns $20 in wages, and the Applebee's waitress earns $5 in wages and $15 in tips, the waitress gets a $15/hour tax deduction. Pay taxes on your income. Period. If the taxes are too high, lower them. If we need more taxes but want to tax McDonald's and Applebees workers less, lower the bottom bracket and raise the top brackets.
His response was "no taxes on tips was Harris' idea, they passed it, it was 50/50 in the Senate and she passed the tiebreaker vote!"
A lot to unpack here. He thinks it's a bad idea because supposedly Harris rammed it through. But Dear Leader wants it to happen, despite it apparently being a bad idea, one that has already happened. I mentioned that "no, tips are currently taxed" and he got all into a fit saying "he had researched it". I calmly noted that we haven't had substantial tax legislation since Trump's 2017 tax "cuts", at which point he told me that "you don't research things!"
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That seems to have a lot to do with apartheid and genocide.
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I meant a pithy quip, not a rambling parable.
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That seems to have a lot to do with apartheid and genocide.
What does that have to do with Tim Walz?
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What does that have to do with Tim Walz?
Tim Walz is genocide
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What does that have to do with Tim Walz?
You new here?
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Trumpers are worried that you have cornered the tinfoil hat market.
He's a progressive. He likes to lose national elections.
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Don’t overlook that Israel is running an apartheid state, btw. The great example of democracy in the Middle East!
LOL. Yeah, the Palestinians in the parliament sure look emaciated...
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We literally just gave standing ovation after standing ovation in the U.S. Capitol to a guy conducting genocide and you think our leadership isn’t kowtowing to Israel?
I think they stood up for the Ethiopian IDF soldier there who ran 8 miles with his gun to kill Gazan scum on 10/7 because he did not have a ride to join the battle.
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LOL. Yeah, the Palestinians in the parliament sure look emaciated...
Apartheid and starvation are two completely different things.
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He's a progressive. He likes to lose national elections.
I have standards.
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I have standards.
Losing national elections is a great standard to have.
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The process has been rigged since the 60s. Eisenhower warned us about it. Last time we had a strong progressive in the WH they changed the rules because he kept getting re-elected.
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They need to shitcan the electoral college. Everyone's vote should count. If I live in downstate Illinois, which I do, I have little incentive to vote because Chicago pretty much dictates where my vote will go, regardless of how I vote.
If I decide to vote for a republican for president, it really doesn't matter.
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They need to shitcan the electoral college. Everyone's vote should count. If I live in downstate Illinois, which I do, I have little incentive to vote because Chicago pretty much dictates where my vote will go, regardless of how I vote.
If I decide to vote for a republican for president, it really doesn't matter.
You want to shitcan the electoral college, but you are complaining that your vote isn't worth as much as 3 million votes of the residents of Cook County.
I mean, I agree with you, but you don't make a very strong argument here.
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You want to shitcan the electoral college, but you are complaining that your vote isn't worth as much as 3 million votes of the residents of Cook County.
I mean, I agree with you, but you don't make a very strong argument here.
My vote should be worth what it is. If I decide to vote for a certain candidate, in this system, if I don't vote for the democrat it doesn't matter. It's decided. I might as well not even go to the polling place.
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I mean, tell me how my vote for president matters as a resident of Tazewell County, IL.
If I vote democrat, doesn't matter. If I vote republican, doesn't matter. The votes from this state are going to the democrat. My vote absolutely does not matter where I live.
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Basically, in this system, my vote is worth nothing.
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Basically, in this system, my vote is worth nothing.
well, to be fair your vote is worth nothing because Dominion is hacking your vote to switch it to the Democrat. Also 37 million illegals shipped in by Joe Biden
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You want to shitcan the electoral college, but you are complaining that your vote isn't worth as much as 3 million votes of the residents of Cook County.
I mean, I agree with you, but you don't make a very strong argument here.
I can see both sides. On one hand it makes sense, but on the other, downstate IL and Chicago are two VERY different living “styles” and have two very different views and how life is lived.
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I can see both sides. On one hand it makes sense, but on the other, downstate IL and Chicago are two VERY different living “styles” and have two very different views and how life is lived.
If you want your vote to count in the statewide races, then make sure your candidate can compete in the Chicago area suburbs.
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If you want your vote to count in the statewide races, then make sure your candidate can compete in the Chicago area suburbs.
Sounds simple enough, huh?!
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I'm not talking about statewide races. I'm talking about electing the president of the United States.
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well, to be fair your vote is worth nothing because Dominion is hacking your vote to switch it to the Democrat. Also 37 million illegals shipped in by Joe Biden
How do you know I didn't vote for the democrat already?
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I’d be ok with tweeking the electoral college, and I “created” a plan to do that in a college class.
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Basically, in this system, my vote is worth nothing.
I suppose you could move. I've seen lib friends return to the Chicago area because they didn't like the local politics in Central IL. I've also seen conservative friends living in the far west suburbs of Chicago move to Indiana because they didn't like the statewide politics.
If you want your vote to count at the national level, you are probably looking at six to seven battleground states.
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I suppose you could move. I've seen lib friends return to the Chicago area because they didn't like the local politics in Central IL. I've also seen conservative friends living in the far west suburbs of Chicago move to Indiana because they didn't like the statewide politics.
If you want your vote to count at the national level, you are probably looking at six to seven battleground states.
I don't want to move. I like where I live. I'm just saying that under the current system my vote for president is meaningless. That's all.
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Changing the electoral college to a little bit more closely correlate to how you did in that state makes sense to me. Example. No one who loses a state 50.5% to 49.5% should lose all of that states delegates. But maybe the winner gets 70% or something like that. If a Republican wins Kansas by 30% maybe he gets 85% of the delegates. Then you still keep some of what the electoral college was meant to do, and you also serve the collective better. What those exact percentages are, I don’t know. Some group of math geniuses could figure that out.
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You’d never get Republicans behind that though, because it doesn’t serve them better.
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I just wish there was a way to use the popular vote, or real vote, solely. I see the difficulties. But that would make each and every person's vote count.
Sounds simplistic I suppose, and I'm not a political expert, but that's my desire.
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Sounds simple enough, huh?!
Simple enough for both Dem and GOP political consultants to understand. Simple enough for politicians like Jim Edgar, Judy Baar Topinka and even Bruce Rauner (first race) to understand.
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I’d be ok with tweeking the electoral college, and I “created” a plan to do that in a college class.
Proportional voting like Maine and one other.
Instead of winner takes all, statewide winner gets 2 at-large electors. Each house congressional district elector is awarded by who won the district.
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I don't want to move. I like where I live. I'm just saying that under the current system my vote for president is meaningless. That's all.
I think I get it. This discussion reminds me of what my mom (moderate left) would tell my dad (staunch Republican) every four years: "I'm going to cancel your vote."
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I’m not crazy about the idea of gifting every election to coastal folks multiple generations removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of middle America. I’m sure people would make adjustments though.
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I don't want to move. I like where I live. I'm just saying that under the current system my vote for president is meaningless. That's all.
If you look at the last 16 years, if we get rid of the electoral college, then *everyone's* vote will be meaningless.
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Proportional voting like Maine and one other.
Instead of winner takes all, statewide winner gets 2 at-large electors. Each house congressional district elector is awarded by who won the district.
That's worse than the current electoral college. The current electoral college has some distributions that end up as a de facto gerrymander, but house districts in many states are explicitly gerrymandered.
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I’m not crazy about the idea of gifting every election to coastal folks multiple generations removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of middle America. I’m sure people would make adjustments though.
Should we gift every election to the handful of people living in decaying rural areas of middle america, who are far removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of people on the coast? (really - not the coast. There is a large amount of Coastline in South Carolina, and not much coastline in Chicago and it's suburbs).
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Should we gift every election to the handful of people living in decaying rural areas of middle america, who are far removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of people on the coast? (really - not the coast. There is a large amount of Coastline in South Carolina, and not much coastline in Chicago and it's suburbs).
That’s not even close to what’s happening
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That’s not even close to what’s happening
Whatever - you seem to be proposing that a small set of people should set the rules, not the majority.
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Whatever - you seem to be proposing that a small set of people should set the rules, not the majority.
🤔
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Whatever - you seem to be proposing that a small set of people should set the rules, not the majority.
No he doesn’t lol. What the fuck are you talking about?!
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No he doesn’t lol. What the fuck are you talking about?!
"I’m not crazy about the idea of gifting every election to coastal folks multiple generations removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of middle America. I’m sure people would make adjustments though."
If there are more "coastal folks" than "middle Americans" - then it's not a "gift". It's Democracy. One person, one vote. Acreage doesn't vote.
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Should we gift every election to the handful of people living in decaying rural areas of middle america, who are far removed from any kind of lifestyle resembling that of people on the coast? (really - not the coast. There is a large amount of Coastline in South Carolina, and not much coastline in Chicago and it's suburbs).
Progressive tears over the Electoral College are the saltiest. Sorry you do not back candidates who can win elections based on the ground rules that have existed since 1789.
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Progressive tears over the Electoral College are the saltiest. Sorry you do not back candidates who can win elections based on the ground rules that have existed since 1789.
Name the current President. Show your work.
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Name the current President. Show your work.
You did not back him. You barely tolerated him, like Tempo.
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That's worse than the current electoral college. The current electoral college has some distributions that end up as a de facto gerrymander, but house districts in many states are explicitly gerrymandered.
Then proportional proportional. You win 51%, you get 51% of the electors. 3rd parties become more relevant.
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You did not back him. You barely tolerated him, like Tempo.
I voted for him, twice, donated in 2020, and wore a COVID mask with BIDEN on it.
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Then proportional proportional. You win 51%, you get 51% of the electors. 3rd parties become more relevant.
Why are you resisting a national popular vote?
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Progressive tears over the Electoral College are the saltiest. Sorry you do not back candidates who can win elections based on the ground rules that have existed since 1789.
The “ground rules” have actually changed a lot since 1789. I love the fact that PAMan thinks it’s best to work within a very flawed system rather than to try to fix the system. An idea he seems to find abhorrent.
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Not only have the “ground rules” changed since 1789. They are radically different.
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The “ground rules” have actually changed a lot since 1789. I love the fact that PAMan thinks it’s best to work within a very flawed system rather than to try to fix the system. An idea he seems to find abhorrent.
Why is it flawed? People have to try and appeal to people with different backgrounds and living circumstances. That is a good thing. FDR was able to do it, as you reminded us....
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Why is it flawed? People have to try and appeal to people with different backgrounds and living circumstances. That is a good thing. FDR was able to do it, as you reminded us....
They have to try to appeal to people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. That's it.
With a National Popular vote, the candidates could go stump in Oregon, or Florida, or any of the 50 states, because everyone of those states, and every county in every one of those states, has persuadable voters, from a far larger set of backgrounds and living circumstances than those six states.
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Why are you resisting a national popular vote?
I don't think flyover country would ratify it. Proportional voting could be a transition.
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Why is it flawed? People have to try and appeal to people with different backgrounds and living circumstances. That is a good thing. FDR was able to do it, as you reminded us....
Citizens United.
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They have to try to appeal to people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. That's it.
And that. Our elections system is so flawed it’s shocking. But PAMan loves it. Not shocking.
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And that. Our elections system is so flawed it’s shocking. But PAMan loves it. Not shocking.
Whaaaa! My unpopular terrorist supporting candidates lose so the system is flawed! Whaaaaa! C'mon.
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Whaaaa! My unpopular terrorist supporting candidates lose so the system is flawed! Whaaaaa! C'mon.
JFC. I’ve been complaining about the system being corrupt for 30 years, not 3 months.
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And saying that people who want ethical treatment of Palestinians are “pro-terrorist” or even “terrorist-loving” is a strawman yet unequaled around here. That’s quite a feat.
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I don't think flyover country would ratify it. Proportional voting could be a transition.
A true conservative. Water down a good idea because "scary"
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And saying that people who want ethical treatment of Palestinians are “pro-terrorist” or even “terrorist-loving” is a strawman yet unequaled around here. That’s quite a feat.
Too bad it's true. Just look at what the minuscule number of DNC protestors are saying.
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They have to try to appeal to people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. That's it.
With a National Popular vote, the candidates could go stump in Oregon, or Florida, or any of the 50 states, because everyone of those states, and every county in every one of those states, has persuadable voters, from a far larger set of backgrounds and living circumstances than those six states.
That's patently untrue
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Lot of fucking whining from the Board Progressives. Only want big cities to vote!
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That's patently untrue
Show your work
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A true conservative. Water down a good idea because "scary"
I am sure you know originally each state had one vote. The concept is that sovereign states choose the President.
Two at large electors with the rest determined by population was a compromise. The same with Congress. Two Senators and Representatives determined by population. I see a pattern.
Winner takes all distorted the Electoral College.
Same with primaries. Dems went to a form of proportional voting. Hillary won 55% of the popular vote, but it was still a close race.
Republicans used winner takes all. Trump won 45% of the popular vote, but won in a landslide.
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Show your work
See 2020 election.
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See 2020 election.
I said "They have to try to appeal to people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. That's it."
No other state was close. *maybe* North Carolina if we are being charitable.
The only reason candidates come to California or New York is to raise funds from super wealthy donors. Happens here all the time "Today's ride through Portola Valley is moved from 10 AM to 8 AM due to (Trump/Biden/Harris) fundraiser somewhere on Los Trancos, roads will be shut down in the area from 11-2".
There *are* say, Trump field offices with a skeleton staff in places like Bakersfield, but they exist solely to try to get a bit of fundraising, sell swag, etc... Jobu himself says "his vote doesn't matter" - if you are in Bakersfield, which is a red district (Kevin McCarthy was the congressman) - it really doesn't matter if you vote. But if we had a National Popular Vote, maybe Trump holds a rally in Bakersfield because they expect they can win 70/30 there, and they want to juice turnout, because those votes are thrown into the big soup.
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See 2020 election.
Biden won 57 (by my quick count) electoral votes in those states by relatively thin margins. Without them, he loses.
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JFC. I’ve been complaining about the system being corrupt for 30 years, not 3 months.
Wait, we were told it wasn’t when Trump had an issue…
Weird.
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Wait, we were told it wasn’t when Trump had an issue…
Weird.
JFC. I’m talking about money (billionaires, corporations) influencing elections, not “voter fraud.”
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Wait, we were told it wasn’t when Trump had an issue…
Weird.
It certainly was not an issue when the CTU bought the mayor position and a couple of alderman slots for the SDA candidates. Did not hear him complaining then. How is that working out?
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JFC. I’m talking about money (billionaires, corporations) influencing elections, not “voter fraud.”
Narrator: Notably absent from the list, the Chicago Teachers Union....
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Narrator: Notably absent from the list, the Chicago Teachers Union....
You want Unions to unilaterally disarm?
Politics is (are?) a dirty hard ball game. It takes a lot of money to fight back against a lot of money.
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It certainly was not an issue when the CTU bought the mayor position and a couple of alderman slots for the SDA candidates. Did not hear him complaining then. How is that working out?
JFC. There are times you remind me of Jamie Lannister’s cousin. Kuh! Kuh! Kuh!
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Narrator: Notably absent from the list, the Chicago Teachers Union....
Kuh! Kuh! Kuh!
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You want Unions to unilaterally disarm?
Politics is (are?) a dirty hard ball game. It takes a lot of money to fight back against a lot of money.
Uh, no.. just calling out LuvsTerrorists on his hypocrisy
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JFC. There are times you remind me of Jamie Lannister’s cousin. Kuh! Kuh! Kuh!
You never had me to lose me on this reference.
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People call Barack and Michele Obama hypocrites because they worked hard, have done well, and own several top end homes.
They don't seem to mind paying more in taxes to be benefit the general economy.
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Rich Republicans run for office. Democrats run for office and then get rich.
Nichi-Democrat mind meld is almost complete—most concerned with moral superiority and getting a cut of other peoples’ money.
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Rich Republicans run for office. Democrats run for office and then get rich.
Nichi-Democrat mind meld is almost complete—most concerned with moral superiority and getting a cut of other peoples’ money.
How does a guy like Clarence Thomas fit in with your take?
Or Newt Gingrich?
Or Dennis Hastert?
Or Sarah Palin?
Or J. B. Pritzker?
The traditional old school. rich Republicans would all be moderate Democrats if they were alive today. Guys like Nelson Rockefeller...
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I find average people making usually modest donations relatively tame (union teachers for example) compared to billionaires and millionaires and corporations funneling money through super pacs. I don’t see how that’s hypocritical. The process should favor the working class. It doesn’t.
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And foreign governments/interests should no be allowed to donate millions to American political candidates.
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How does a guy like Clarence Thomas fit in with your take?
Or Newt Gingrich?
Or Dennis Hastert?
Or Sarah Palin?
Or J. B. Pritzker?
The traditional old school. rich Republicans would all be moderate Democrats if they were alive today. Guys like Nelson Rockefeller...
People don’t call them hypocrites because they worked hard and got rich and own high end homes, they call them hypocrites because they got rich by being public servants that campaigned as regular people trying to help the poor and marginalized.
Politics is kind of like NIL money. Pay someone to work in your favor but disguise it as book deals or public speaking engagements to make it more palatable to the public.
Hard to believe, having watched the ecstacy of the 2008 Change campaign, that Obama’s legacy would end up being “rich guy who doesn’t mind paying taxes to benefit the economy”
They are the elite now. It’s not that hard to understand.
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I find average people making usually modest donations relatively tame (union teachers for example) compared to billionaires and millionaires and corporations funneling money through super pacs. I don’t see how that’s hypocritical. The process should favor the working class. It doesn’t.
You mean the working class that supports Trump?
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How does a guy like Clarence Thomas fit in with your take?
Or Newt Gingrich?
Or Dennis Hastert?
Or Sarah Palin?
Or J. B. Pritzker?
The traditional old school. rich Republicans would all be moderate Democrats if they were alive today. Guys like Nelson Rockefeller...
You mean Pritzker, the guy that hides his money in foreign trusts, rips out toilets in his multiple homes to avoid paying his fair share of real estate taxes, and then spends millions trying to convince saps like us to pay more taxes? That JB Pritzker?
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You mean Pritzker, the guy that hides his money in foreign trusts, rips out toilets in his multiple homes to avoid paying his fair share of real estate taxes, and then spends millions trying to convince saps like us to pay more taxes? That JB Pritzker?
How does he fit in Custard's model?
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How does he fit in Custard's model?
He doesn't. But you brought him up. That fucker belongs in jail. With Trump.
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You mean the working class that supports Trump?
ThePAMan just murdered Wayne with this one 😱
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You mean Pritzker, the guy that hides his money in foreign trusts, rips out toilets in his multiple homes to avoid paying his fair share of real estate taxes, and then spends millions trying to convince saps like us to pay more taxes? That JB Pritzker?
And Nichi with this one 😱
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He doesn't. But you brought him up. That fucker belongs in jail. With Trump.
And Nichi again. ThePAMan is on a murder spree this evening!😱
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You mean the working class that supports Trump?
I think Harris will make inroads with the working class, particularly union households. That could make a difference in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
We are about two weeks away from getting polls that should give us a better picture of the lay of land.
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You mean the working class that supports Trump?
I think the working class is probably fairly split. But sure, no small amount support Trump/are going to vote for the Republican. What kind of question is this? Yes, working class Republicans have the right to donate to their candidates, too.
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He doesn't. But you brought him up. That fucker belongs in jail. With Trump.
So, in other words, you hijacked the question for your own sordid purposes.
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ThePAMan just murdered Wayne with this one 😱
Explain how.
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I think Harris will make inroads with the working class, particularly union households. That could make a difference in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
We are about two weeks away from getting polls that should give us a better picture of the lay of land.
I’d be fairly surprised if Harris isn’t leading in Union households already. But anything is possible.
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ThePAMan just murdered Wayne with this one 😱
Where on earth did I ever say Republicans aren’t entitled to the same democratic participation rights as Democrats?
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Rich Republicans run for office. Democrats run for office and then get rich.
Nichi-Democrat mind meld is almost complete—most concerned with moral superiority and getting a cut of other peoples’ money.
Counter point: Trump, Donald J
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I think Harris will make inroads with the working class, particularly union households. That could make a difference in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
We are about two weeks away from getting polls that should give us a better picture of the lay of land.
Honestly I think the only poll that will tell us anything is on election day. We sure as hell didn't have the lay of the land in 2016
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I’m sure education unions and such are 110% behind Harris/Walz.
I don’t see the guys working in blue collar trade unions getting excited about that ticket at all. Guys who wear plaid and Carhartts 9 months of the year aren’t resonating with Harris or the guy who let MPLS burn. Blue collar trade guys have zero problem kissing the union’s ass, taking the benefits of their union memberships, then marching into voting booths and voting a straight red ticket.
I do see some of their wives getting excited about it…but not for Harris so much as Walz. I think he plays more to the suburban wife than anyone else (other than Tempo).
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So, in other words, you hijacked the question for your own sordid purposes.
Again, you brought him up. I responded.
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Narrator: Notably absent from the list, the Chicago Teachers Union....
Always has the best avattars
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I’m sure education unions and such are 110% behind Harris/Walz.
I don’t see the guys working in blue collar trade unions getting excited about that ticket at all. Guys who wear plaid and Carhartts 9 months of the year aren’t resonating with Harris or the guy who let MPLS burn. Blue collar trade guys have zero problem kissing the union’s ass, taking the benefits of their union memberships, then marching into voting booths and voting a straight red ticket.
I do see some of their wives getting excited about it…but not for Harris so much as Walz. I think he plays more to the suburban wife than anyone else (other than Tempo).
This.
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I’m sure education unions and such are 110% behind Harris/Walz.
I don’t see the guys working in blue collar trade unions getting excited about that ticket at all. Guys who wear plaid and Carhartts 9 months of the year aren’t resonating with Harris or the guy who let MPLS burn. Blue collar trade guys have zero problem kissing the union’s ass, taking the benefits of their union memberships, then marching into voting booths and voting a straight red ticket.
I do see some of their wives getting excited about it…but not for Harris so much as Walz. I think he plays more to the suburban wife than anyone else (other than Tempo).
No doubt some of your more blue collar union people are happy to vote Republican, but I think it’s fairly split. A lot of union members understand that Republicans would love to destroy their unions.
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It’s funny that custard sees progressivism as a feminine trait.
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ThePAMan just murdered Wayne with this one 😱
Really confused by this comment. Did I ever make the case that Republicans aren’t entitled to the same process that Democrats are entitled to?
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It’s funny that custard sees progressivism as a feminine trait.
I think Walz folksy charm will appeal to suburban women, didn’t have anything to do with progressivism. But now that you mention it…
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United Auto Workers is pretty “blue collar” and polling pretty heavily for Harris/Walz.
“Fain said that UAW member polling has been relatively consistent at 56% support for Democrats and about 32% for Republicans, but he thinks there will be bigger support for the Harris-Walz ticket come November.”
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United Auto Workers is pretty “blue collar” and polling pretty heavily for Harris/Walz.
“Fain said that UAW member polling has been relatively consistent at 56% support for Democrats and about 32% for Republicans, but he thinks there will be bigger support for the Harris-Walz ticket come November.”
Yet Dem pollsters close to the campaign are telling everyone to slow their roll in swing states....
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I think Walz folksy charm will appeal to suburban women, didn’t have anything to do with progressivism. But now that you mention it…
Perhaps that his wife actually talks to him on a reasonably frequent basis and smiles not even when being handed some jewelry or shoes is seen as a positive.
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Northern blue collar union members are swing voters. They will flip on a dime. Right now, some of them are still Trump's basement people. How many?
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Big support from his family in Nebraska !
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Big support from his family in Nebraska !
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By Big you mean Obese?
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By Big you mean Obese?
The apostrophe s is the giveaway that they are not the best and brightest of the Family Walz..
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Big support from his family in Nebraska !
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Should be “Walzes for Trump.” Conservatives in Nebraska? Shocking!
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Should be “Walzes for Trump.” Conservatives in Nebraska? Shocking!
Trump is a nationalist, not a conservative.
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Trump is a nationalist, not a conservative.
He spouts the talking points they like. Hell, they are likely nationalists, too.
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And apparently not the most educated branch of his family.
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And apparently not the most educated branch of his family.
What can you expect. Bugeaters who decided to stay and eat bugs
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I’ve met people from Nebraska. Outside of Cornhuskers football (which is no longer even any good) they have no identity. Corn, that’s it.
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Tim Walz - "When you get down to it, Pennsylvania and Minnesota have a lot in common. Well, except for Super Bowl rings. Dammit!"
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Perhaps that his wife actually talks to him on a reasonably frequent basis and smiles not even when being handed some jewelry or shoes is seen as a positive.
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I’ve met people from Nebraska. Outside of Cornhuskers football (which is no longer even any good) they have no identity. Corn, that’s it.
It's just a different place. There is a lot of land, and not a lot of people. Once you get west of Lincoln, it's really nothing. Just a lot of space.
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When I was in the service, I spent time in Wyoming. That made Nebraska seem like a metropolis, lol.
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I’ve met people from Nebraska. Outside of Cornhuskers football (which is no longer even any good) they have no identity. Corn, that’s it.
They’re hard working, principled, stoic people that are proud of what they do, which is help feed the world. That’s a pretty cool identity.
Not as cool as self-loathing suburban Uber driver guy though.
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They’re hard working, principled, stoic people that are proud of what they do, which is help feed the world. That’s a pretty cool identity.
Not as cool as self-loathing suburban Uber driver guy though.
Good point.
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They’re hard working, principled, stoic people that are proud of what they do, which is help feed the world. That’s a pretty cool identity.
Not as cool as self-loathing suburban Uber driver guy though.
Yes indeed
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They’re hard working, principled, stoic people that are proud of what they do, which is help feed the world. That’s a pretty cool identity.
Not as cool as self-loathing suburban Uber driver guy though.
A good description of some illegal immigrants.
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They’re hard working, principled, stoic people that are proud of what they do, which is help feed the world. That’s a pretty cool identity.
Not as cool as self-loathing suburban Uber driver guy though.
Good burn! I come from a long line of farmers. And actually my family has some history in Nebraska. I respect the hell out of farmers. But still not much going on out there other than corn. And bad college football.
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A good description of some illegal immigrants.
Yes!
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My mother spent a few summers in Nebraska when she was a kid. My great-grandfather used to go out there back in the 40s and farm that land with my great-uncle.
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Good burn! I come from a long line of farmers. And actually my family has some history in Nebraska. I respect the hell out of farmers. But still not much going on out there other than corn. And bad college football.
They’re a huge beef production state. Western Nebraska sand hills is a beautiful area, as is the panhandle. No corn there. But yes the eastern 1/3 to 1/2 and the platte river valley—lots of corn.
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Good burn! I come from a long line of farmers. And actually my family has some history in Nebraska. I respect the hell out of farmers. But still not much going on out there other than corn. And bad college football.
Thank God that football program took a huge corn shit dump.
Worked with some guys from eastern Nebraska, great guys and hard workers that grew up on farms. But I sure loved it when UCLA knocked them off in 1988. I gave those 2 guys so much crap that next week.
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They’re hard working, principled, stoic people that are proud of what they do, which is help feed the world. That’s a pretty cool identity.
Not as cool as self-loathing suburban Uber driver guy though.
You misspelled “produce ethanol”
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For those that don't know. Wyoming is at a higher sea level than Denver. More than a mile high. And there is nothing stopping the wind. In fact, sometimes they close I80 through there because it's too fucking windy.
Anyway, There is nothing much colder than a Wyoming winter on a missile range. Fortunately, the military knows how to outfit people for such conditions, but still. It's a hell of a job.
One time, we had people performing maintenance on the silo, and when that happens sometimes alarms go off. It's solely because of maintenance, but people still get on edge about it.
Well, this one jag I worked with out there liked to fuck around. Guys were out there, and we knew it. Unfortunately, we didn't alert the proper people that this was happening, and to disregard alarms. Said jag didn't know that people weren't informed, and went about his shift.
Well, an alarm went off for a launch. Purely due to maintenance. This alarm tells people high up that we are launching an ICBM missile. More often than not, the alarms are silenced prior to getting to concerned people, and nothing happens. However, this time the alarm persisted.
So, the phone rings in the silo. This dipshit picks up and identifies himself. On the other end is a high ranking officer asking about the launch codes that have been sent out, and there is a missile away.
So, this dipshit, thinking it's all a drill, says, "Yes sir, 2500 feet and looking good, sir!"
The phone then disconnected. After that, a lot of really bad things happened and the guy that did that was absolutely reassigned to a much less desirable job.
Good times! Love Wyoming winters.
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Hanging out in downtown Cheyenne. Yeah, that was living.
There is nothing glorious about the military lol
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For those that don't know. Wyoming is at a higher sea level than Denver. More than a mile high. And there is nothing stopping the wind. In fact, sometimes they close I80 through there because it's too fucking windy.
Anyway, There is nothing much colder than a Wyoming winter on a missile range. Fortunately, the military knows how to outfit people for such conditions, but still. It's a hell of a job.
One time, we had people performing maintenance on the silo, and when that happens sometimes alarms go off. It's solely because of maintenance, but people still get on edge about it.
Well, this one jag I worked with out there liked to fuck around. Guys were out there, and we knew it. Unfortunately, we didn't alert the proper people that this was happening, and to disregard alarms. Said jag didn't know that people weren't informed, and went about his shift.
Well, an alarm went off for a launch. Purely due to maintenance. This alarm tells people high up that we are launching an ICBM missile. More often than not, the alarms are silenced prior to getting to concerned people, and nothing happens. However, this time the alarm persisted.
So, the phone rings in the silo. This dipshit picks up and identifies himself. On the other end is a high ranking officer asking about the launch codes that have been sent out, and there is a missile away.
So, this dipshit, thinking it's all a drill, says, "Yes sir, 2500 feet and looking good, sir!"
The phone then disconnected. After that, a lot of really bad things happened and the guy that did that was absolutely reassigned to a much less desirable job.
Good times! Love Wyoming winters.
Sounds about right that some dumbfuck Dr. Strangelove would trigger a nuclear holocaust. But there’s no way that virus got out of the Wuhan lab!