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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #135 on: August 19, 2024, 03:16:21 PM »
Yes, thank you Alum.
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« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2024, 04:45:44 PM »
The last time all the banks were allowed to fail the Nazis went through Poland and did not stop until they hit Stalingrad in the East, France in the West, and North Africa. That all ended with Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting bombed.  Good times.

Yeah it wasn’t going to be all of them and I didn’t realize you were so pro-corporate welfare. Those fuckers not only got off scot-free, they got filthy rich doing it. Most of my generation got fucked in that deal with a massive transfer of wealth to the rich.  Then we gave a bunch of money to the rich again in 2020-21 over a bogus economic lockdown.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2024, 04:51:13 PM »
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2024, 04:57:55 PM »
Yeah it wasn’t going to be all of them and I didn’t realize you were so pro-corporate welfare. Those fuckers not only got off scot-free, they got filthy rich doing it. Most of my generation got fucked in that deal with a massive transfer of wealth to the rich.  Then we gave a bunch of money to the rich again in 2020-21 over a bogus economic lockdown.

He’s a corporate centrist through and through.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #139 on: August 19, 2024, 05:31:37 PM »
Yeah it wasn’t going to be all of them and I didn’t realize you were so pro-corporate welfare. Those fuckers not only got off scot-free, they got filthy rich doing it. Most of my generation got fucked in that deal with a massive transfer of wealth to the rich.  Then we gave a bunch of money to the rich again in 2020-21 over a bogus economic lockdown.

I doubt you are doing that badly.

We can criticize how this all went down and who should have been held accountable and how. However, ignoring what has happened when banks and economies fail is missing a large piece of why what happened happened.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #140 on: August 19, 2024, 05:33:39 PM »
He’s a corporate centrist through and through.

Sorry you missed playing cosplay and supporting fucking mysogonistic scum today. Maybe you can wear your mask and headscarf while in the house.
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« Reply #141 on: August 19, 2024, 07:10:05 PM »
Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.

Indeed. Before COVID, Tempo would have a couple of eggs for breakfast. Then he got that sweet sweet stimulus money and then he would sit down and eat 50 eggs!

America has an epidemic of obesity, in the best of times we eat way too much food. Then you posit that suddenly there is this stimulus and we eat MORE food?

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« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2024, 07:22:25 PM »
Indeed. Before COVID, Tempo would have a couple of eggs for breakfast. Then he got that sweet sweet stimulus money and then he would sit down and eat 50 eggs!

America has an epidemic of obesity, in the best of times we eat way too much food. Then you posit that suddenly there is this stimulus and we eat MORE food?

That is a good point. Even many of our poor are obese.
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« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2024, 07:37:25 PM »
That is a good point. Even many of our poor are obese.

That can a bit of a counter point - the most expensive and least available food is healthy food, though not clear that this is where the price increases hit the most

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« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2024, 08:20:42 PM »
Sorry you missed playing cosplay and supporting fucking mysogonistic scum today. Maybe you can wear your mask and headscarf while in the house.

Thousands of dead women and children were mysoginists?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2024, 09:29:23 PM »
Thousands of dead women and children were mysoginists?

Yes or supported misogynists.
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« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2024, 09:56:03 PM »
Indeed. Before COVID, Tempo would have a couple of eggs for breakfast. Then he got that sweet sweet stimulus money and then he would sit down and eat 50 eggs!

America has an epidemic of obesity, in the best of times we eat way too much food. Then you posit that suddenly there is this stimulus and we eat MORE food?

I’ve covered this I don’t know how many times. The markets tend to right size themselves to supply chains and vice versa over time. Then we go and shut down chunks of the supply chain due to COVID, some processing plants mysteriously blow up, maybe we get an avian flu, and then we throw gasoline on the fire by printing trillions of dollars, some of which ends up in the hands of families and individuals; even more which ends up going to corporations in one of the largest scams in history.

Now the centralized food processors have trillions of reasons to collude with each other to keep the party going so they throttle supply and keep demand even more artificially high than it already was. (Same exact thing happens to farming inputs when commodity prices go up—the price of every farming input magically goes right up with the markets then stays high for a while then comes back down with commodity prices)

Then the all-inclusive resorts and cruise ships and restaurants and everything else opens back up and food waste returns to normal.

Families have an abundance of cash and pent up demand which puts pressure on the housing market and start overpaying for regular vehicles etc.

That cash runs out eventually for many of them and they realize all their staple foods have gone way up so they start eating less healthy food and eat more processed grain based crap and get even fatter. The healthier whole foods stay high because people doing well are still willing to pay for them and the market is more easily controlled.

Assuming adequate supply, the price eventually will creep back down for most staple foods because they’re abundant and cheap and even the top heavy processing businesses can’t get rid of more food than people can eat. Beef may be an exception—I don’t think I’ll ever see it “cheap” again in my lifetime. (Which is sad to me because it’s delicious and one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles.)

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People use modern day food stamps to buy more soda than anything else. The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.

I can understand the argument that food is too cheap, but I’m more inclined to believe that the true problem with obesity in this country is lack of affordable healthy options, lack of education, and increasingly sedentary lifestyle.

I heard recently that something like 33% of kids under 18 are prediabetic. Maybe it’s a matter of time before junk food gets the tobacco treatment—if it got half the pushback the beef industry gets we might actually get through to people. And why the hell can people buy soda and Doritos with EBT? Corn lobby isn’t the only reason.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2024, 11:54:19 PM »
I'm interested where you got the stat from about the soda.
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« Reply #148 on: August 20, 2024, 12:31:53 AM »
I’ve covered this I don’t know how many times. The markets tend to right size themselves to supply chains and vice versa over time.

Beef may be an exception—I don’t think I’ll ever see it “cheap” again in my lifetime. (Which is sad to me because it’s delicious and one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles.)

People use modern day food stamps to buy more soda than anything else. The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.

I heard recently that something like 33% of kids under 18 are prediabetic. Maybe it’s a matter of time before junk food gets the tobacco treatment—if it got half the pushback the beef industry gets we might actually get through to people. And why the hell can people buy soda and Doritos with EBT? Corn lobby isn’t the only reason.

I'll truncate your word salad and focus on this stuff.

"Markets tend to right size themselves over time to supply chains and vice versa over time". Perhaps you didn't read the post you are responding to. In order for that process to happen, businesses have to expand using debt - but Trump appointee Jerome Powell jacked up interest rates and prevented it from happening. If COVID funding went to existing companies, they have no incentive to use that money to expand if they are profiting heavily because competition is bogged down by high interest rates.

Do you see the irony of
1) one of our most nutrient dense foods, but cattle farming is under large scale attack from multiple angles
2) The food pyramid that was rolled out 40 some years ago is pretty much the same diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter.

If we feed cattle feed corn - complete junk and the primary ingredient in soda, and not what cattle have evolved to feed upon - why is it you think that garbage input produces good food.

Your argument here is also pretty bogus in that - if you make the argument that a hamburger is one of our most nutrient dense foods, you ignore that the input cost is so high that we could produce substantially more sum total nutrients at the same cost. Measured in dollars, measured in water, measured in arable land, measured in fertilizer costs, measured in waste disposal, and on and on. The attack on beef is not a coordinated attack - it's just simple economic realities that it's inefficient. We've responded to this inefficiency by making the product more and more inferior, while depleting water supplies and being poor stewards of land (our own with 10/10/10 NPK and the runoff into the waterways, Amazonian land via mass burning, etc...)

As for soda - soda taxes have been proposed in many places - mostly blue areas (NYC and SF are the primary examples). The lobbying against them wasn't by big corn, it was the American Beverage Association. The argument has been the standard pablum of your ilk - "But muh freedom".

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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #149 on: August 20, 2024, 02:48:20 AM »
Yes or supported misogynists.

I don’t think small children know who they support.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.