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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6540 on: January 25, 2025, 04:36:01 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6541 on: January 25, 2025, 04:39:12 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/politics/video/pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-veterans-message-digvid

'We don't want to fight wars': Hegseth sends message to military as newly appointed defense secretary

Then why do we need MORE soldiers, as Trump crowed about in his inaguration?

He posited that our military would be so strong no one would mess with us, but Hegseth is saying here that we don't want to use the military, so who would be afraid of us?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6542 on: January 25, 2025, 04:41:52 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 25, 2025, 03:37:03 PM
The 'they're asylum seekers' was a lie.

Edit: Nobody said they were all asylum seekers. That is why Biden et al expelled / returned over 3 million.

Biden did not magically summon a surge. He said authentic asylum seekers would be welcome.

Hope that helps

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« Reply #6543 on: January 25, 2025, 07:56:33 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 25, 2025, 04:31:11 PM
you are so full of shit, how do you see with shit above your eyeballs

It’s exactly what happened. Cognitive dissonance?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6544 on: January 25, 2025, 09:32:48 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 25, 2025, 04:41:52 PM
Edit: Nobody said they were all asylum seekers. That is why Biden et al expelled / returned over 3 million.

Biden did not magically summon a surge. He said authentic asylum seekers would be welcome.

Hope that helps


We've always accepted asylum seekers. That's not an argument to deny the poor execution at the border.
Fortunately some influential Democrats told us it was about picking the crops. I'm not sure the Democrat who said that she needed constituents got the right memo tho.
A lot more than "asylum seekers" came.
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« Reply #6545 on: January 26, 2025, 12:20:53 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 25, 2025, 09:32:48 PM
We've always accepted asylum seekers. That's not an argument to deny the poor execution at the border.
Fortunately some influential Democrats told us it was about picking the crops. I'm not sure the Democrat who said that she needed constituents got the right memo tho.
A lot more than "asylum seekers" came.

The so-called poor execution was due to a shortage of assets -- holding facilities, courts, judges, etc. plus a dramatic increase in people seeking entry. It started before Biden took office.

There were multiple causes of the surge.

Improving economic conditions created a job shortages in hospitality and services, ag, construction, etc..

Deteriorating conditions in Cuba, Haiti Nicaragua

The economic collapse in Venezuela

A belief Biden et al would give asylum seekers a fair shake

Trump's Remain in Mexico and Zero Tolerance policies aggravated the situation. Also his failed poorly constructed wall wasted resources

Republicans don't want to spend the money to maintain let alone upgrade border security.

I can keep writing the same thing in different ways
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« Reply #6546 on: January 26, 2025, 12:42:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 26, 2025, 12:20:53 PM
The so-called poor execution was due to a shortage of assets -- holding facilities, courts, judges, etc. plus a dramatic increase in people seeking entry. It started before Biden took office.

There were multiple causes of the surge.

Improving economic conditions created a job shortages in hospitality and services, ag, construction, etc..

Deteriorating conditions in Cuba, Haiti Nicaragua

The economic collapse in Venezuela

A belief Biden et al would give asylum seekers a fair shake

Trump's Remain in Mexico and Zero Tolerance policies aggravated the situation. Also his failed poorly constructed wall wasted resources

Republicans don't want to spend the money to maintain let alone upgrade border security.

I can keep writing the same thing in different ways
They consciously overloaded a system that could not handle the massive increase in numbers. For obvious reasons, the execution was poor.
They hopefully had an idea what the system could handle. If so, they totally ignored the system limitations.
If they didn't have an idea, the border plan was doomed to start.
Either way, it was a failure.
Much like the failures at Kabul.

Excuses are a dime a dozen.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6547 on: January 26, 2025, 01:11:05 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 26, 2025, 12:42:57 PM
Excuses are a dime a dozen.
Reasons are not excuses. That is just intellectually laziness. I

An inadequate system was overloaded by events beyond their control. Unless you want to "blame" them for an economic recovery that outpaced most of the rest of the world.
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« Reply #6548 on: January 26, 2025, 01:15:57 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 25, 2025, 07:56:33 PM
It’s exactly what happened. Cognitive dissonance?

Yes. Exactly. Or alternative facts.

Quote
President Donald Trump on Friday said he wanted to see two actions taken in California before he offered federal support for Los Angeles as it grapples with wildfires.

“I want to see two things in Los Angeles. Voter ID, so that the people have a chance to vote, and I want to see the water be released and come down into Los Angeles and throughout the state,” Trump told reporters in North Carolina, where he was touring hurricane recovery efforts.
. Widely cited & caught on video

I wonder if moderate Republicans are concerned?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6549 on: January 26, 2025, 01:16:00 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 26, 2025, 01:11:05 PM
Reasons are not excuses. That is just intellectually laziness. I

An inadequate system was overloaded by events beyond their control. Unless you want to "blame" them for an economic recovery that outpaced most of the rest of the world.

It’s become evident he actually believes this is true and it’s not a troll.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6550 on: January 26, 2025, 01:19:28 PM »
No more DEI hires!

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6551 on: January 26, 2025, 01:29:31 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 26, 2025, 01:16:00 PM
It’s become evident he actually believes this is true and it’s not a troll.

Yes. I believe documented facts.

I am confident the previous admin did not invite a surge to intentionally overload a broken broken border and immigration system. I can not imagine why they would even want to do that. I am not buying the census or replacement theories.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6552 on: January 26, 2025, 01:30:05 PM »
Quote from: Your New Neighbor on January 26, 2025, 01:19:28 PM
No more DEI hires!


The last guy went missing.
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« Reply #6553 on: January 26, 2025, 01:33:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 26, 2025, 01:29:31 PM
Yes. I believe documented facts.

I am confident the previous admin did not invite a surge to intentionally overload a broken broken border and immigration system. I can not imagine why they would even want to do that. I am not buying the census or replacement theories.
Texas didn't cut the razor wire that Texas put up at the border.
Texas didn't go to court to stop the curtailment efforts of Texas at the border.
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« Reply #6554 on: January 26, 2025, 01:37:22 PM »
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