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spark mandrill

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #570 on: May 24, 2023, 09:14:09 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 09:11:58 AM
Hey Spark, have you ever noticed that in your never-ending quest for objectivity, every single opinion you offer either paints Underwood in a good light, or provides a soft-landing?

As long as you ignore all the times I said "Maybe Underwood fucked this up?" and "Maybe they just hate Underwood?" etc., sure.  When I said 'Maybe they are still mad Underwood didn't look at their kid last time?' you claimed I 'assumed' that that happened, but when I said 'maybe Underwood fucked this up?' you said "every single opinion you offer paints Underwood in a good light".  Didn't see you say "why did you assume Underwood fucked this up?", not even one time.

Have you ever noticed that every single opinion you offer paints him in a negative light, regardless of evidence?  And that far from offering alternatives to that, you mock people who suggest maybe you don't know?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #571 on: May 24, 2023, 09:20:19 AM »
Maybe just maybe, the simple truth is the ILLINI need a PG who is above avg...(RayJ), the above avg player was a 3 star in HS and not offered by ANY P-5 school at the time. That same player got a taste of the northwest climate at Boise St. came back to the Midwest, and has determined he likes it more out west, and has a connection already at a school with the locale and the need for him? No slight to ILLINI for not offering first time, just preference and comfort levels?

Either way, look for the staff to get Grad PG with commitment soon, so that both TSJ and Hawk announce they will be running it back one more time with us.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #572 on: May 24, 2023, 09:22:53 AM »
wHy aRe yOu AsSuMiNg hE lIkEs iT bEtTeR oUt WeSt!?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #573 on: May 24, 2023, 09:24:19 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on May 24, 2023, 09:04:19 AM
According to the Utes page, Dennis is still up in the air, but the ILLINI are now on the outside of this recruitment. Very unfortunate, and also very poor decision by this kid imo for draft prospects next year as well. The level of play is nowhere near the same, and they also have a lead guard returning that although as the article states is not eye popping, he did average 32 min a game and is dependable ( he will play still alot).


https://247sports.com/college/utah/longformarticle/utah-utes-basketball-a-look-at-the-future-of-the-runnin-utes-210615860/#2172204

He was never going to the NBA.  He didn’t even get invited the Combine this year as a senior.

Not playing for Underwood is a great decision.  He’s a terrible coach. As you can see by all the guys that have gotten sick of playing for him
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #574 on: May 24, 2023, 09:25:55 AM »
I’ve heard in the neighborhood of $300,000 difference between Utah offer and our offer …
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« Reply #575 on: May 24, 2023, 09:26:16 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on May 24, 2023, 09:20:19 AM
Maybe just maybe, the simple truth is the ILLINI need a PG who is above avg...(RayJ), the above avg player was a 3 star in HS and not offered by ANY P-5 school at the time. That same player got a taste of the northwest climate at Boise St. came back to the Midwest, and has determined he likes it more out west, and has a connection already at a school with the locale and the need for him? No slight to ILLINI for not offering first time, just preference and comfort levels?

Either way, look for the staff to get Grad PG with commitment soon, so that both TSJ and Hawk announce they will be running it back one more time with us.

Shannon ain’t playing for this shit show again.

Been telling you that for over a month.

I’m the only insider here whose word is worth anything.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #576 on: May 24, 2023, 09:26:26 AM »
Utah plays in the Pac-12.  He'll see plenty of competition there, if that's where he ends up.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #577 on: May 24, 2023, 09:26:53 AM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on May 24, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
I’ve heard in the neighborhood of $300,000 difference between Utah offer and our offer …

Still reloading on Loyalty?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #578 on: May 24, 2023, 09:27:33 AM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on May 24, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
I’ve heard in the neighborhood of $300,000 difference between Utah offer and our offer …

Hilarious if true.

Nobody good wants to play for this staff. 
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #579 on: May 24, 2023, 09:33:35 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 08:35:00 AM
I was using the examples you provided to show that your overall point - that someone's parent having a passing, cursory interest in a college basketball program sometimes - does not lead to it being a 'bad look' if they don't choose that school.  That if your kid was choosing between Northwestern and, say, Oregon State, and chose OSU, it wouldn't be some huge indictment on the Northwestern coach just because you live near Chicago and occasionally show passing interest in Northwestern basketball.

It's amazing how much difficulty you have understanding really simple debate points.  You're really spectacularly bad at honest debate, chock full of intentional misrepresentations and strawmen.

Imagine living in Illinois most of your life, being an Illini fan; and thinking that NU and Illinois are even remotely comparable.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #580 on: May 24, 2023, 09:35:32 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 08:36:14 AM
I'd never compare DePaul and Northwestern to Illinois, I used the examples you provided.


Absolutely false. You did indeed do just that when you adjusted Illinois’ expectations down to NUs and DePaul’s.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #581 on: May 24, 2023, 09:35:42 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 09:33:35 AM
Imagine living in Illinois most of your life, being an Illini fan; and thinking that NU and Illinois are even remotely comparable.

If I meet someone who thinks that I'll let 'em know you think it's stupid.

That you think it's me is hilarious, and shows just how difficult you find following a simple discussion.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #582 on: May 24, 2023, 09:36:38 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 09:35:32 AM
Absolutely false. You did indeed do just that when you adjusted Illinois’ expectations down to NUs and DePaul’s.

I used the exact examples you provided intentionally.  I didn't come up with those schools as a comparison, you did.

Switch it to UNC if it makes you feel better.

The point is that somebody's parent having, maybe, a cursory interest in a college basketball program because it's a few hours away from them does not mean them choosing to go somewhere else is some really bad look.  It's got nothing to do with Northwestern or even Illinois specifically.

If you're stuck on "you think Illinois and Northwestern are comparable!" you completely misunderstood, which obviously isn't that surprising.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #583 on: May 24, 2023, 09:37:05 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 08:39:21 AM
I gotta say, it's mostly my fault.  For a decade or more I've attempted to inject some thought and nuance into these discussions, to try to point out that thinking about a gray situation in black and white is stupid - especially when we as fans have basically no information about the specifics of a recruitment.

Tempo is obviously not going to get it, so I should simply stop trying the "think about it this way" abstract thought thing.  He cannot examine his own biases in that way, he's not capable.

He can't consider that maybe his passing interest in a Chicago school is the same as a non-native Illinois person's interest in Illinois basketball.  Just doesn't compute to him.  That person surely thinks just like he does, it's only logical!

Insists Illinois is actually way better than programs with similar historical results because of their 'scope'.  When asked what that means specifically, crickets.  "You just know!" type stuff.  "It's just true".  That's the evidence.  It just is.  There's no question whatsoever in my mind that he thinks we're closer to a program like Duke with 17 Final Fours than a program like Utah.  Because of "the scope".

Incapable of entertaining an idea without subscribing to it.

Fucking hilarious.
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« Reply #584 on: May 24, 2023, 09:38:32 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 09:37:05 AM
Fucking hilarious.

I laugh at all your strawmen, yeah.  Have literally never had a discussion with you that didn't end with you just telling me my opinion and beating the shit out of it.  What I actually think has simply never been of value to you, you seem to think it's legitimately irrelevant to discussions I take part in.

What's particularly funny is how mad you get - rightfully so - when people do the stupid Reggie Theus shit.  You know it sucks when people just make up your argument and beat it up rather than listening to what you say.  But you do that to me literally every single time we talk.  You still do it, JUST like they do with Reggie Theus, about stuff I've explained dozens of times for years.  Just make up something instead.

You've never, ever, been capable of reading a post and accurately pulling out someone's point, so you simply make up a point and argue against it.
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