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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLINICHIEF on May 27, 2023, 09:39:29 AM
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Figured a new thread for posts may be needed.
Hawkins in this article less than a day old, certainly seems to be grounded, this was after the GS workout I believe....seems very likely he comes back the ILLINI if all the other chips fall. He knows he needs to improve offensively and the surefire way to do that is run it back with a team that he knows, not on the NBA bench or a G-League roster.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/article/illinois-forward-coleman-hawkins-nba-draft-decision-fighting-ill-210791139/
TSJ I have always thought will come back, just too many 6'-6 guys with athletic ability in the NBA...TSJ needs to separate himself from them and also any others in the draft this year/next. He stands a better chance next year imo. There are 10 like players in the 1st rd alone this year.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10076423-stock-up-stock-down-how-the-2023-nba-draft-combine-changed-our-mock-draft
Shows TSJ at 47 to the Lakers....which I don't think is a good fit either way as well. Hawk is not on the board.
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I want to be the first one in this thread to say don’t listen to anyone else, I’m the only one that knows anything.
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You had to edit that?
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You had to edit that?
Yes. Had an annoying typo.
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Don’t ever doubt me, I’m the only true insider.
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TSJ is G-O-N-E.
Use your common sense.
He will be 24 years old next year. He will never be a first round pick.
He’s already a guaranteed second rd pick. That his maxed out value.
No pro players wants to be in college for 5 years.
Hawkins hates college and he will leave even if he’s undrafted. That’s why Underwood brought Guerrier in. Guerrier would not be here if he thought Hawkins was coming back.
Whatever scrub PG they find won’t matter. This team will be one of the worst teams in the Big 10 next year and unless Sparky is AD, Whitman is gonna fire him next March.
Sticky it. I have spoken. And it will be true.
You promising to leave yet again if incorrect? !!!!!!
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You promising to leave yet again if incorrect? !!!!!!
All I’ve bet is Sparky being gone with TSJ gone.
If any of the other cancers want to bet I’m open to terms.
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I’m actually very bullish on Underwood being fired after next season for a few reasons.
*Whitman hates his sideline antics and roster turnover rate. Underwood has graduated like 2 of 17 freshman recruits he’s brought to campus.
*The fact they can’t get anyone good to come here despite being able to pay people falls on the coach. If everyone hates the boss so much they either quit after a year, or take lower salary elsewhere that’s a problem.
*Lack of any success without Kofi Cockburn
*Future roster looks terrible. You can’t build a team bringing in 5 new starters every season.
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Great. Now he is not leaving any time soon.
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I’m actually very bullish on Underwood being fired after next season for a few reasons.
*Whitman hates his sideline antics and roster turnover rate. Underwood has graduated like 2 of 17 freshman recruits he’s brought to campus.
Ouch. You’d think we’d have more tourney wins with those numbers.
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Great. Now he is not leaving any time soon.
Not willingly.
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All I’ve bet is Sparky being gone with TSJ gone.
If any of the other cancers want to bet I’m open to terms.
I offered you the bet on your claim of record lowest attendance this year.
If you win you get to suck the dicks of all of Loyalty guys you so desperately want to like you.
If you lose they all buttfuck you as usual and send you to the curb once again.
What are you afraid of you fucking pussy? You win either way.
Scoreboard for NIT Pedophile Kofisexual Shithead.
Just STFU.
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Hawkins and Shannon have always had different standards to stay in.
Hawkins just wants to know there is enough interest that he'll be drafted. That's looking dubious. Most of his measurables are simply below average. He does see the court and passes well for 6-10. He can guard a little. That's about it. Unless he is looking forward to playing oversees, he should stay in college, get a degree, collect the NIL.
Shannon wants 2 teams to tell him they plan to draft him and offer a guaranteed contract. His measurables show exceptional speed and quickness. Everything else is average or below. There are plenty of 6-6 guys just as fast; with better hands, length, hops, and skills. He should stay in school for the continuing free education and NIL money. Unless he wants to play in Japan or the Philippines for less money.
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TSJ is G-O-N-E.
Use your common sense.
He will be 24 years old next year. He will never be a first round pick.
He’s already a guaranteed second rd pick. That his maxed out value.
No pro players wants to be in college for 5 years.
Hawkins hates college and he will leave even if he’s undrafted. That’s why Underwood brought Guerrier in. Guerrier would not be here if he thought Hawkins was coming back.
Whatever scrub PG they find won’t matter. This team will be one of the worst teams in the Big 10 next year and unless Sparky is AD, Whitman is gonna fire him next March.
Sticky it. I have spoken. And it will be true.
Going to be a really rough week and, it sounds like, year for you.
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Going to be a really rough week and, it sounds like, year for you.
You got like 3 days left.
Your cancerous trolling of this website, non-stop arguing with Tempo and others over the Sun rising in the East, is almost done.
You’re only over here bc you ran off everyone from the Scout board.
Enjoy that graveyard.
Nichi and LKDog, you’re next. Get in line.
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God it's going to be funny watching you try to weasel out from paying and get banned.
I'll enjoy that quite a bit, bud. Watching morons step on rakes never gets old.
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You got like 3 days left.
Your cancerous trolling of this website, non-stop arguing with Tempo and others over the Sun rising in the East, is almost done.
You’re only over here bc you ran off everyone from the Scout board.
Enjoy that graveyard.
Nichi and LKDog, you’re next. Get in line.
Hey NIT Fcktard- what is this next you speak of?
Just what is it that you think you are going to do?
Drive up here and hit me with your Kofi Blow Up doll??
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Ouch. You’d think we’d have more tourney wins with those numbers.
That’s the thing. If you win tons of games, graduation rates don’t matter much. But if you aren’t, and are running a JUCO style program at a Big 10 college that’s not gonna fly with the academic types.
Although given that Michigan won’t admit players that Illinois does, it’s possible Illinois doesn’t give a shit about academics like they used too.
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We're gonna calculate graduation rates Knight and Digger style.
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Hey NIT Fcktard- what is this next you speak of?
Just what is it that you think you are going to do?
Drive up here and hit me with your Kofi Blow Up doll??
Actually I already know what’s going to happen to you.
Illinois is going to stink and you are are going to leave on your own just like you did after the Mizzou 30 point beatdown loss. See you’re one of these front runner fans that disappears when the team stinks. Nichi is the same way. Claims to miss every loss. No comments
I really don’t even need to bet either of you. Illinois suckage and myself being right will be enough banish you.
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You'll have to get Dom's email address if you want to bet with him about this coming season.
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Josh Whitman hates Brad Underwood:
https://fightingillini.com/news/2022/3/30/mens-basketball-underwood-set-to-receive-contract-extension.aspx
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I missed ESPN games part of last season during renewal negotiations with DTV.
Dom thinks Da'monte and Brandin played the same role on the 2022 team. He either didn't watch, or didn't understand what he watched.
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Actually I already know what’s going to happen to you.
Illinois is going to stink and you are are going to leave on your own just like you did after the Mizzou 30 point beatdown loss. See you’re one of these front runner fans that disappears when the team stinks. Nichi is the same way. Claims to miss every loss. No comments
I really don’t even need to bet either of you. Illinois suckage and myself being right will be enough banish you.
Not going anywhere. Nothing you can do.
But if we are lucky you are.
If you get lucky and stay we will continue to curb stomp your stupid ass daily.
Every village needs an idiot.
You are it.
Now go play with your Kofi doll you sick fuck.
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Iirc, NBA teams will be allowed 3 two way contracts next year. Here are my questions.
Would the money for those top NIL for Hawkins and or Shannon?
Would they have a better chance at a two-way if they are undrafted and free to negotiate with all the teams?
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Iirc, NBA teams will be allowed 3 two way contracts next year. Here are my questions.
Would the money for those top NIL for Hawkins and or Shannon?
Would they have a better chance at a two-way if they are undrafted and free to negotiate with all the teams?
A two way goes up to $450k. Much better than the G League minimum.
Nobody is completely sure what sort of NIL money is offered.
Have no idea what actual options are out there for those guys.
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Josh Whitman hates Brad Underwood:
https://fightingillini.com/news/2022/3/30/mens-basketball-underwood-set-to-receive-contract-extension.aspx
Meaningless. Buyout didn’t change.
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Iirc, NBA teams will be allowed 3 two way contracts next year. Here are my questions.
Would the money for those top NIL for Hawkins and or Shannon?
Would they have a better chance at a two-way if they are undrafted and free to negotiate with all the teams?
If you are undrafted and make the league it’s way easier to make big money fast.
Normal rookie deal is 4 or 5 years for a 1st rd draft pick and there’s a slotted rookie cap system.
But if you are undrafted, you get RFA after 2 years. Austin Reaves will be making more than anyone in his draft class next year by being undrafted.
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Meaningless. Buyout didn’t change.
Adding that to your predictions for 23-24.
9th place or worse in BT.
No post season tourney.
Worst attendance in history.
Underwood is fired.
I can see why you got canned and lost your license and owe your company $500k and are unemployable.
You are simply a fucking personality disorder and an idiot. Can't fix either.
You never told us why you have a $500k settlement.
Karen will tell us.
My guess is you pulled your dick out in front of the bosses little kids.
Or fraud.
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Adding that to your predictions for 23-24.
9th place or worse in BT.
No post season tourney.
Worst attendance in history.
Underwood is fired.
I can see why you got canned and lost your license and owe your company $500k and are unemployable.
You are simply a fucking personality disorder and an idiot. Can't fix either.
You never told us why you have a $500k settlement.
Karen will tell us.
My guess is you pulled your dick out in front of the bosses little kids.
Or fraud.
What license did retard have?
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Josh Whitman hates Brad Underwood:
https://fightingillini.com/news/2022/3/30/mens-basketball-underwood-set-to-receive-contract-extension.aspx
I’d have maybe waited a year…
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What license did retard have?
Could be wrong but if he was doing trades for any firm he must have had some license to do so.
Maybe he was in training and fucked them over somehow. Whatever he did it must have been serious for a judgement of that nature.
Maybe he pulled his dick out in the kiddie pool at the company picnic.
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Nobody is completely sure what sort of NIL money is offered.
Didn't the Wong kid get 800,000 at Miami, I mean shit if paying these kids is Wong, we don't wanna be right.... 8)
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Values not required to be publicly reported and the NIL $ rankings are off. Just a lot of estimates out there.
Clark was supposedly only getting a few hundred thousand.
This report has her at 2MM.
https://khak.com/just-how-much-nil-money-does-caitlin-clark-rake-in/ (https://khak.com/just-how-much-nil-money-does-caitlin-clark-rake-in/)
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Values not required to be publicly reported and the NIL $ rankings are off. Just a lot of estimates out there.
Clark was supposedly only getting a few hundred thousand.
This report has her at 2MM.
https://khak.com/just-how-much-nil-money-does-caitlin-clark-rake-in/ (https://khak.com/just-how-much-nil-money-does-caitlin-clark-rake-in/)
"Those numbers are even more significant when you realize that the highest-paid WNBA player this year, Jackie Young of Las Vegas, is earning just $252,452."
Say what ?
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"Those numbers are even more significant when you realize that the highest-paid WNBA player this year, Jackie Young of Las Vegas, is earning just $252,452."
Say what ?
WNBA struggles financially.
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WNBA struggles financially.
Yet the Trib has a story today advocating for expansion.
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Yet the Trib has a story today advocating for expansion.
Is Clark going to bankroll an expansion team ?
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Yet the Trib has a story today advocating for expansion.
The WNBA (joke) is almost like a government assistance program, except the govt is the NBA in this case. Whether it makes sense or not, just keep handing over $$$, expansion must be the next obvious step as what they have is not successful, insanity....definition? Although I think it gives women an opportunity to play professionally, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Just because it offers opportunities, it doesn't offer guaranteed $$$, success, or product appeal.
I am waiting to see the first guy who identifies as a professional women's basketball player tries to get into the WNBA, then we will see what inclusion is all about right???
$12 million per year allowance from the NBA for a company that hasn't made a profit for 25 years. advocate that!!
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/is-wnba-profitable-league-2023-examining-league-performing-financially-years
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Didn't the Wong kid get 800,000 at Miami, I mean shit if paying these kids is Wong, we don't wanna be right.... 8)
That’s racist!
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That’s racist!
Not Weally.... ;D
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Values not required to be publicly reported and the NIL $ rankings are off. Just a lot of estimates out there.
Clark was supposedly only getting a few hundred thousand.
This report has her at 2MM.
https://khak.com/just-how-much-nil-money-does-caitlin-clark-rake-in/ (https://khak.com/just-how-much-nil-money-does-caitlin-clark-rake-in/)
I agree nobody knows, but what’s your source on the few hundred thousand?
One thing that I think happens is fans don’t read too deep into what On3 is but use their estimates as “what someone is making in NIL”, when they’re really only very loosely related.
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The WNBA (joke) is almost like a government assistance program, except the govt is the NBA in this case. Whether it makes sense or not, just keep handing over $$$, expansion must be the next obvious step as what they have is not successful, insanity....definition? Although I think it gives women an opportunity to play professionally, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Just because it offers opportunities, it doesn't offer guaranteed $$$, success, or product appeal.
I am waiting to see the first guy who identifies as a professional women's basketball player tries to get into the WNBA, then we will see what inclusion is all about right???
$12 million per year allowance from the NBA for a company that hasn't made a profit for 25 years. advocate that!!
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/is-wnba-profitable-league-2023-examining-league-performing-financially-years
Women’s basketball is one of, if not THE, fastest growing sports in the world in terms of popularity. It’d be dumb of the NBA to not be ready for the inevitable boom in revenues coming for WBB.
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Women’s basketball is one of, if not THE, fastest growing sports in the world in terms of popularity. It’d be dumb of the NBA to not be ready for the inevitable boom in revenues coming for WBB.
Maybe, but the NBA is run by some pretty sharp guys, Spark. Don't you think?
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As someone who personally knows Jackie Young and whose friend dates her sister, I can assure you that no one gives a fuck about women’s basketball. Or what they have to say about football.
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Women’s basketball is one of, if not THE, fastest growing sports in the world in terms of popularity. It’d be dumb of the NBA to not be ready for the inevitable boom in revenues coming for WBB.
What is this revenue you speak of?! And I guess making ANY profit should be considered a boom I suppose.
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I agree nobody knows, but what’s your source on the few hundred thousand?
One thing that I think happens is fans don’t read too deep into what On3 is but use their estimates as “what someone is making in NIL”, when they’re really only very loosely related.
Agree.
The On3 during season was something like $300k for Clark. It is now updated to $800k.
https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/college/womens-basketball/ (https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/college/womens-basketball/)
As the article and ESPN estimates, her earnings are closer to $2MM.
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As someone who personally knows Jackie Young and whose friend dates her sister, I can assure you that no one gives a fuck about women’s basketball. Or what they have to say about football.
Custard does not like women in sports. He wants women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen where they belong. Or riding his dick.
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"The only position for women in SNCC [Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee] is prone.” - Stokely Carmichael
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Women’s basketball is one of, if not THE, fastest growing sports in the world in terms of popularity. It’d be dumb of the NBA to not be ready for the inevitable boom in revenues coming for WBB.
Uh womens lacrosse has more fans.
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Custard does not like women in sports. He wants women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen where they belong. Or riding his dick.
From your lips to God’s ear
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Custard does not like women in sports. He wants women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen where they belong. Or riding his dick.
It's what they were born to do man
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It's what they were born to do man
What were men born to do? Sports and alcohol?
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Uh womens lacrosse has more fans.
Women's basketball - and women's sports in general - is on a huge upswing right now. It's funny to watch a bunch of men whine about it though.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2022/04/07/popularity-of-womens-sports-has-been-surging/
https://apnews.com/article/brittney-griner-sports-college-dawn-staley-b1647c8b30f4fcf33d5e3eacc6dd8880
https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/viewers-engage-more-womens-college-basketball-popularity-explodes-ncaa-tournament
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Women's basketball is not very popular, but it's the news' and internet's fault. https://en.as.com/other_sports/the-disparity-in-womens-and-mens-sports-n/
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I say we just ban women from everything except cooking and sex. What you say, Custard?
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I say we just ban women from everything except cooking and sex. What you say, Custard?
Cleaning?
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Cleaning?
Yep. I overlooked that.
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Women's basketball - and women's sports in general - is on a huge upswing right now. It's funny to watch a bunch of men whine about it though.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2022/04/07/popularity-of-womens-sports-has-been-surging/
https://apnews.com/article/brittney-griner-sports-college-dawn-staley-b1647c8b30f4fcf33d5e3eacc6dd8880
https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/viewers-engage-more-womens-college-basketball-popularity-explodes-ncaa-tournament
WNBA 2022 C-SHIP ATTENDANCE PER GAME = JUST OVER 10,000 - 2022 WOMENS LACROSSE JUST OVER 9000 IN ATTNENDANCE. pretty even imo, would NBA throw 12 million a year at lacrosse to grow that sport.....NOPE.
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Cooking, cleaning, and sex. Outside of that we have no need for women. No man should…and damn sure don’t want a woman telling me anything about sports.
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This is the most Brad Underwood looking toddler possible.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/971862807152081?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=0NULKw
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This is the most Brad Underwood looking toddler possible.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/971862807152081?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=0NULKw
That dude's, no lie, 20+ years old.
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Yeah, I wondered if he has some kind of condition. Seems really coordinated for how old he “looks.”
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He's pretty famous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbulla
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Best guess today will be:
Terrance Shannon Jr. comes back first, then RayJ commits and then Hawkins comes back because we have the scorer, the lead guard, and his chance to have a special team run again.
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Best guess today will be:
Terrance Shannon Jr. comes back first, then RayJ commits and then Hawkins comes back because we have the scorer, the lead guard, and his chance to have a special team run again.
Shannon and Hawkins don’t need to announce anything if they are staying in the draft. So I doubt they say anything. They already announced for the draft. It’d be a dumbass move to even say they were staying in.
Dennis will probably take till mid June to decide on a school. There’s no deadline for him.
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You should get to postin' a bunch of nonsense Dom, you've only got a few hours left.
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Will be a great day if TSJ returns and Edey stays in the draft. 2 of Squeaky's big predictions go down in flames. Of course, Squeaky predicted back-to-back titles for Purdue, and is the main reason they got bounced in the first round of the tourney. Purdue couldn't overcome the Inverse Squeaky Effect.
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He didn't really predict Purdue was going to win the title last year did he?
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He didn't really predict Purdue was going to win the title last year did he?
He picked them to win it all in 2023 and 2024 and said they were the best team since Florida's back to back championship teams. Basically he'll miss on both years. Lol
Not sure about 2022.
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Purdue will win the national title either this year or next year. Or maybe both years and pull a Florida 06-07.
They have everyone back next year. I had a feeling they’d be better without Ivey.
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You should get to postin' a bunch of nonsense Dom, you've only got a few hours left.
You’re gonna be back to the wasteland of the Scout Board in 12 hours. You and swank59 killed that board.
You’re not gonna kill this board.
Custard should pay me for getting rid of you. All the bandwidth you’ve wasted with absolute repetitive boring arguing.
After 97 posted his Ferrari, you should have left then.
Now you’re really gonna be embarrassed.
When I put the out the Word, it’s done.
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Excellent prediction by me.
November 30th.
Purdue won the Big 10. Easily.
They were a #1 seed
And if Edey is back, they’ll win it all in 2024 and certainly should be preseason #1
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He picked them to win it all in 2023 and 2024 and said they were the best team since Florida's back to back championship teams. Basically he'll miss on both years. Lol
Not sure about 2022.
Two years ago I kind of get it a little.
Last year they were pretty clearly limping into the tourney. Still surprising they lost a 1/16 matchup but I didn't think they were going to make the second weekend.
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Excellent prediction by me.
November 30th.
Purdue won the Big 10. Easily.
They were a #1 seed
Ah yes, the same standards you apply to Illinois!
I predicted they'd win the title and they won the big Ten, got a 1 seed, lost in the first round. Excellent prediction!
Just pretend with me guys!
Later today nobody's going to pretend with you, just as a heads up.
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You’re gonna be back to the wasteland of the Scout Board in 12 hours. You and swank59 killed that board.
You’re not gonna kill this board.
Custard should pay me for getting rid of you. All the bandwidth you’ve wasted with absolute repetitive boring arguing.
After 97 posted his Ferrari, you should have left then.
Now you’re really gonna be embarrassed.
When I put the out the Word, it’s done.
God, this is fuckin' beautiful.
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Excellent prediction by me.
November 30th.
Purdue won the Big 10. Easily.
They were a #1 seed
And if Edey is back, they’ll win it all in 2024 and certainly should be preseason #1
But you WERE wrong. They didn’t win the National title…
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And TSJ IS coming back, so you were wrong again and need to honor the bet and will be banned by Custard.
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But you WERE wrong. They didn’t win the National title…
I didn’t predict they’d win it in 2023. I said they’d win it either this year, next year, or back to back.
By all measures, Purdue had an outstanding season. And I said they would only like 7 games into their year.
And I don’t know why you keep saying TSJ is coming back? Who is telling you this? I am the only insider here. I’m telling you he’s not.
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And TSJ IS coming back, so you were wrong again and need to honor the bet and will be banned by Custard.
Who is telling you this? You want the answer. Just bring up Shannon’s IG. He posted there he was leaving for the draft. If he were to return, one would presume he would post something on there today. He still hasn’t.
You can hit refresh a million times for something that either isn’t gonna happen, or won’t be the news you want to hear.
If you just listened to me 2 months ago, this wouldn’t be a tough thing for you and sparky today. But it’s gonna crush both of you. And it really shouldn’t have
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I didn’t predict they’d win it in 2023. I said they’d win it either this year, next year, or back to back.
By all measures, Purdue had an outstanding season. And I said they would only like 7 games into their year.
And I don’t know why you keep saying TSJ is coming back? Who is telling you this? I am the only insider here. I’m telling you he’s not.
You didn't, in November 2022, say they'd win it "this year or next year"? Or both?
How sure are you?
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You didn't, in November 2022, say they'd win it "this year or next year"? Or both?
How sure are you?
Sorry Sparky you can’t read English. Go back to refreshing Shannon’s social media pages for news that’s never gonna come.
I’m sure you’ll be on there at 11:59 pm holding out hope tho
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Hahahaha, just hilarious.
You could've gotten out of the bet man. I offered you a chance at a mea culpa.
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Tell you what, I'll give you ANOTHER chance, because the secret isn't very well kept at this point.
If you acknowledge you don't know shit and were just guessing the most negative outcome for Illinois, you can stay. We'll still give you shit for it obviously but you can avoid getting banned if you just tell the truth for once.
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Hahahaha, just hilarious.
You could've gotten out of the bet man. I offered you a chance at a mea culpa.
Why would I want out of a bet that I won 2 months ago?
Hopefully after today, you realize that I know what I’m talking about. And nobody on Loyalty does.
And don’t believe the bullshit of “But guys he told our staff he was coming back”
All these idiots do is push the most optimistic thing for IL (even if it’s nonsensical like a 5th year senior coming back when he’s already a draft pick), and then when it doesn’t happen they claim other made up shit to make it seem like they still knew what they were talking about.
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Amazing.
Enjoy your last few hours. Don't say I didn't give you a chance to man up and still be allowed to post here.
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Tell you what, I'll give you ANOTHER chance, because the secret isn't very well kept at this point.
If you acknowledge you don't know shit and were just guessing the most negative outcome for Illinois, you can stay. We'll still give you shit for it obviously but you can avoid getting banned if you just tell the truth for once.
The only secret is you believing these idiots.
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All these idiots do is push the most optimistic thing for IL (even if it’s nonsensical like a 5th year senior coming back when he’s already a draft pick), and then when it doesn’t happen they claim other made up shit to make it seem like they still knew what they were talking about.
The projection is strong with this one.
Just pretend with me, guys.
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The only secret is you believing these idiots.
:)
I'm sincerely glad you said that.
I knew you were incapable of manning up and acknowledging you don't know shit, but it's nice to see it proven.
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You didn't, in November 2022, say they'd win it "this year or next year"? Or both?
How sure are you?
But he wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.
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Sparky keep refreshing that Shannon social media page. You’re gonna be F5’ing all day for nothing
It’s done.
It was done the day the season was over and TSJ was still healthy.
Maybe when you see I’m right, you’ll sign up for Loyalty, steal my info, post it there, and proclaim yourself an Insider.
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You're projecting again bud.
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What's the chances that ALL 3 announce at the same time? Kind of like saying we ALL 3 are buying in, committed to doing something special together, and will bring it every single day to ensure the season is what WE all want it to be?
I would love to see this actually! The sooner the better.
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Pretty much zero.
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I didn’t predict they’d win it in 2023. I said they’d win it either this year, next year, or back to back.
By all measures, Purdue had an outstanding season. And I said they would only like 7 games into their year.
And I don’t know why you keep saying TSJ is coming back? Who is telling you this? I am the only insider here. I’m telling you he’s not.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, by your measures, they in fact DID NOT have an outstanding season. The measuring bar was a C-Ship then/now or back to back, they will NOT win it this year even with EDEY, who will be coming back, they DID NOT win last year, thus they cannot win back to back, all FAILS, by your measure??????
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What's the chances that ALL 3 announce at the same time? Kind of like saying we ALL 3 are buying in, committed to doing something special together, and will bring it every single day to ensure the season is what WE all want it to be?
I would love to see this actually! The sooner the better.
Probably zero
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What's the chances that ALL 3 announce at the same time? Kind of like saying we ALL 3 are buying in, committed to doing something special together, and will bring it every single day to ensure the season is what WE all want it to be?
I would love to see this actually! The sooner the better.
After last year, a humble approach would seem fitting.
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Coleman Hawkins trolling Illini fans like crazy today. He’s coming back.
Posting the Joker laughing and then saying he’s gonna take a 7 hour nap 😂
Definitely dragging it out…
Just posted he’s transferring to Michigan 😂
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Flagler staying in draft. I think Dennis could easily go to Baylor now.
They supposedly have other options.
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Flagler staying in draft. I think Dennis could easily go to Baylor now.
They supposedly have other options.
Probably Baylor bound.
Looking forward to the "insiders" excuses. Perhaps they can steal some of Squeaky's material.
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If he wants Baylor, that's totally fine. Hope the staff is working on a backup option, we can't really wait around for RayJ to finally decide after today.
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I'm going to miss Squeaky. Will never forget this classic about Karen
No we’re just friends. She really wants to get married so I hope she finds the right guy.
I do not have the finances to marry anyone. I ruined my own finances making bad trades and now I just have to sit on it and wait for it to recover.
Most reasonable people put their IRAs into index funds. I didn’t. I dumped it all into a few stocks with the intent of turning a few hundred thousands into millions. Then was going to trade on that the rest of my life. Instead I got buried. Also used leverage got buried. Sold my home, put the equity into trading, got buried.
But those were the risks I took. Didn’t work out. Went for it and lost.
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If he wants Baylor, that's totally fine. Hope the staff is working on a backup option, we can't really wait around for RayJ to finally decide after today.
Yuri Coliins mentioned.
He is grad transfer assuming he pulls out of draft so it could drag out.
My SLU buddies claim he is shopping around for highest bidder.
I would be more than OK with him.
https://twitter.com/AYOD0SUNMU/status/1662590583976652802?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AYOD0SUNMU/status/1662590583976652802?s=20)
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Great call on Purdue2023NationalChamps
We’ll see anytime Illinois looks like shit, and hilariously bad shit like the 2nd half of last game and the whole Penn State game, I’m in a good mood for a good time so pull up Livvy Dunne TikTok and I’m in my happy place.
Then I’ll listen to the post game Werner podcast or read this board and cackle with more laughter about how shitty this program is.
Watching Purdue dominate Illinois will be quite enjoyable. And another feather in my cap of evaluation skills.
I said Purdue would win the national title either this year or next about 8 games into the season. Maybe both. Book mark this post
#LivvyDunne
#Purdue2023NationalChamps
#FireUnderwood
#SparkyMandrillisafaggot
#LKDogSucks
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Don't know much about Collins, but I didn't know much about RayJ a couple months ago either. I assume we will end up with some kind of point guard, just hope it's somebody we're comfortable with.
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I'm going to miss Squeaky. Will never forget this classic about Karen
He's "retired" and living on the beach. Literally living on the beach.
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Interesting retirement portfolio.
No we’re just friends. She really wants to get married so I hope she finds the right guy.
I do not have the finances to marry anyone. I ruined my own finances making bad trades and now I just have to sit on it and wait for it to recover.
Most reasonable people put their IRAs into index funds. I didn’t. I dumped it all into a few stocks with the intent of turning a few hundred thousands into millions. Then was going to trade on that the rest of my life. Instead I got buried. Also used leverage got buried. Sold my home, put the equity into trading, got buried.
But those were the risks I took. Didn’t work out. Went for it and lost.
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He's "retired" and living on the beach. Literally living on the beach.
DeSantis needs to take a tougher stance on transients. Lock em up!
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Interesting retirement portfolio.
No we’re just friends. She really wants to get married so I hope she finds the right guy.
I do not have the finances to marry anyone. I ruined my own finances making bad trades and now I just have to sit on it and wait for it to recover.
Most reasonable people put their IRAs into index funds. I didn’t. I dumped it all into a few stocks with the intent of turning a few hundred thousands into millions. Then was going to trade on that the rest of my life. Instead I got buried. Also used leverage got buried. Sold my home, put the equity into trading, got buried.
But those were the risks I took. Didn’t work out. Went for it and lost.
If only he could work his way out of poverty by monetizing his Illini insider status....
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DeSantis needs to take a tougher stance on transients. Lock em up!
Too bad Live PD isn't on anymore to see Dom being escorted off the beach at night by local officers who know his name from prior interactions.
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Purdue 20-1.
Starting 2 freshman guards, and only 1 senior on their roster who plays 15 mpg.
I’ve compared them to Florida 2006 and 2007. They could go back to back if everyone comes back. I think Edey and Loyer are future NBA players, and perfect role players
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Great call on Purdue2023NationalChamps
Purdue finished 7-5 down the stretch and got knocked out first round. They were not that good in terms of shooting the three (almost as bad as us) and in handling ball pressure.
Decent young guards but lacked athleticism.
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If only he could work his way out of poverty by monetizing his Illini insider status....
Squeaky could be another Robert.
https://twitter.com/ALionEye?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Purdue finished 7-5 down the stretch and got knocked out first round. They were not that good in terms of shooting the three (almost as bad as us) and in handling ball pressure.
Decent young guards but lacked athleticism.
Squeaky jinxed them.
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Nailed it.
Nobody called how shitty this team would be. Except me. 6 months before the season started. Before the schedule was even made. And it’s playing out exactly how I planned.
Remaining games:
@Wisconsin (LOSS) 14-7
Nebraska (WIN) 15-7
@Iowa (LOSS) 15-8
Minnesota (WIN) 16-8
Rutgers (LOSS) 16-9
@Penn State (LOSS) 16-10
@Indiana (LOSS) 16-11
Northwestern (WIN) 17-11
@Ohio State (LOSS) 17-12
Michigan (LOSS) 17-13
@Purdue (LOSS) 17-14 (8-12)
Given that Illinois got to play the 3 worst teams in the conference 6 times, that’s rather shitty
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Don't know much about Collins, but I didn't know much about RayJ a couple months ago either. I assume we will end up with some kind of point guard, just hope it's somebody we're comfortable with.
We had nobody last year and the Hawkins point forward experiment was a disaster.
We will be fine.
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Too bad Live PD isn't on anymore to see Dom being escorted off the beach at night by local officers who know his name from prior interactions.
At least Squeaky always complies with the police.
Someday blacks will stop resisting police and comply with simple instructions.
But until that happens, I hope the cops keep beating the shit out of them. And I have no sympathy for anyone that doesn’t obey police commands. In this case, cops were pissed he ran and ended up pepper spraying themselves. They caught up to him and delivered a message to all suspects that you obey law and order.
Liberals want anarchy and violence. Conservatives want law and order and peace.
As an aside, 5% of the US population (black males age 14-35) account for > 50% of all violent crime in the US, most of which is against another black victim. When you have 5% doing > 50% of the violent crime, the problem isn’t police brutality. The problem is there’s not enough police enforcement to prevent these crimes from happening. And police enforcement is often times hard.
Giuliani cleaning up NY with stop and frisk, after it was a cesspool under Dinkins, should show everyone it is possible to clean up cities thru good tough police work
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@FaninCA pulling out a NIT Pedophile Fcktard Greatest Hits tape.
LOL.
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@FaninCA pulling out a NIT Pedophile Fcktard Greatest Hits tape.
LOL.
I'm going to really miss the idiot.
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I'm going to really miss the idiot.
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I just came in this thread to GLOAT.
Love being right.
Love owning all you idiots
Custard needs to give me moderating power to start banning people.
This is an epic run by me.
Sparky, 6 hours dude. I know you are frantically hoping all these “insiders” are right, and I’m wrong, but the opposite is the case.
RayJ is gone.
That means Shannon is gone.
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Epic run of Fanin pulling up Squeaky's bad prognostications.
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Squeaky could be another Robert.
https://twitter.com/ALionEye?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
It would be great if they were "partners" on IlliniBoard.
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I just came in this thread to GLOAT.
Love being right.
Love owning all you idiots
Custard needs to give me moderating power to start banning people.
This is an epic run by me.
Sparky, 6 hours dude. I know you are frantically hoping all these “insiders” are right, and I’m wrong, but the opposite is the case.
RayJ is gone.
That means Shannon is gone.
The last flailing desperate gasp of a guy who, I assume, knows he's going to have to do some major league pretendin' in the next day.
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He's definitely not wrong - he's on an epic run of hilarious predictions blowing up in his face.
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Best guess today will be:
Terrance Shannon Jr. comes back first, then RayJ commits and then Hawkins comes back because we have the scorer, the lead guard, and his chance to have a special team run again.
Then you woke up from that delirious dream and realized:
*Ray visited Baylor twice. He goes there (logically)
*Shannon wasn’t coming back bc nobody who is a 5th year, and is a current draft pick, ever comes back
*Hawkins I mean at this point I guess you hope he’s just trolling and does come back. I don’t think it’s out of the realm. Why would you even talk back to fans on twitter if you weren’t returning? If nobody told him he’s getting picked of all the teams he worked out for then sure.
Cheer up my friend. Sparky’s gone at least. We can celebrate that one
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He's definitely not wrong - he's on an epic run of hilarious predictions blowing up in his face.
What exact plan of yours had somehow Dennis going to Baylor, but Shannon still coming back to Illinois?
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Not sure I've ever said a word about what I thought about RayJ, last I knew you were taking Loyalty insiders' word for it that he was going to Utah and bragging about that.
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Not sure I've ever said a word about what I thought about RayJ, last I knew you were taking Loyalty insiders' word for it that he was going to Utah and bragging about that.
😂 Loyalty has “Indy Illini Fan” claiming he’s texting Baylor’s assistant coach
You can’t make this shit up.
Nobody should believe anything on Loyalty. I certainly never have.
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Except the Utah thing, I guess.
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Then you woke up from that delirious dream and realized:
*Ray visited Baylor twice. He goes there (logically)
*Shannon wasn’t coming back bc nobody who is a 5th year, and is a current draft pick, ever comes back
*Hawkins I mean at this point I guess you hope he’s just trolling and does come back. I don’t think it’s out of the realm. Why would you even talk back to fans on twitter if you weren’t returning? If nobody told him he’s getting picked of all the teams he worked out for then sure.
Cheer up my friend. Sparky’s gone at least. We can celebrate that one
Easy Francis, don't let your mouth right checks for ya..... ;D, all 3 are still going to be ILLINI next year.
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Except the Utah thing, I guess.
I quoted national guys as saying Utah. And that’s the ONLY reason those idiots even finally capitulated bc the national guys said it.
Now national guys are saying Baylor probably bc he visited there twice and Flagler stayed in the draft.
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Huh? We had been talking about it because some loyalty 'insider' said it for a while before any national guys said anything about it as far as I know.
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Jeff Goodman is a reliable source. Says Coleman is debating whether to accept IL increased NIL offer.
Which no doubt he heard that from the IL coaching staff. Gives them cover for when Hawkins stays in by running the “we did everything we could do” excuse…
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if this is what college basketball is gonna be next year then i'm out
these guys aren't THAT good to be playing this "i like the attention" game
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It's what college basketball's going to be unless they change the rules somehow, and that SCOTUS ruling scared them shitless.
I actually am surprised that shit like upping the NIL offer to a guy to try to pry him away from the NBA or another school is so public, because in theory that isn't within the rules.
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How many pounds of sweat has Squeaky lost today?
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How many pounds of sweat has Squeaky lost today?
0. Shannon already declared for the draft once and came back to college at Texas Tech.
Do you honestly think he’s going to pull back a second time? When he’s a guaranteed 2nd rd pick and will be 24 years old next year?
This is a no risk bet. I’m taking the obvious logical side. Sparky is on the Hail Mary nonsensical side.
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Bye Truth.
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0. Shannon already declared for the draft once and came back to college at Texas Tech.
Do you honestly think he’s going to pull back a second time? When he’s a guaranteed 2nd rd pick and will be 24 years old next year?
This is a no risk bet. I’m taking the obvious logical side. Sparky is on the Hail Mary nonsensical side.
Love it
https://twitter.com/Sn1per_T/status/1664063397468438530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1664063397468438530%7Ctwgr%5Ed1c056cd00d024192ed9adcf3da2db042f520f5a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.illinoisloyalty.com%2Fpost%2Fterrence-shannon-jr-returns-to-illinois.31487%2F
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How will Dom try to weasel out of this?
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Too bad Squeaky can't afford a funeral.
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Ope
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Dom is now saturdaze at loyalty
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Love it
https://twitter.com/Sn1per_T/status/1664063397468438530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1664063397468438530%7Ctwgr%5Ed1c056cd00d024192ed9adcf3da2db042f520f5a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.illinoisloyalty.com%2Fpost%2Fterrence-shannon-jr-returns-to-illinois.31487%2F
Bahaha thanks truth you're as good a contrarian indicator as Jim Cramer 🫡
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Ope
Ban that motherfucker
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I want to see him explain how Shannon returning proves he was right all along.
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Ban that motherfucker
Not quite yet. Need to see the pathetic rebuttal.
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Then you woke up from that delirious dream and realized:
*Ray visited Baylor twice. He goes there (logically)
*Shannon wasn’t coming back bc nobody who is a 5th year, and is a current draft pick, ever comes back
*Hawkins I mean at this point I guess you hope he’s just trolling and does come back. I don’t think it’s out of the realm. Why would you even talk back to fans on twitter if you weren’t returning? If nobody told him he’s getting picked of all the teams he worked out for then sure.
Cheer up my friend. Sparky’s gone at least. We can celebrate that one
By my standards, I am batting 1000, you are batting ?????
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Hilarious.
Go fuck yourself you fucking pathetic loser.
Custard- pull the fucking plug.
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This could be devastating to Dom’s claim as the only insider.
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This could be devastating to Dom’s claim as the only insider.
😂
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When the Day is Done...C'mon back Hawk, C'mon back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuS0yaE2GfA
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Spark, the new HQ2 Insider replacing Squeaky
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Imagining Squeaky all sweaty, with his eyes bulging out, unable to sleep for days....
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0. Shannon already declared for the draft once and came back to college at Texas Tech.
Do you honestly think he’s going to pull back a second time? When he’s a guaranteed 2nd rd pick and will be 24 years old next year?
This is a no risk bet. I’m taking the obvious logical side. Sparky is on the Hail Mary nonsensical side.
Just awesome.
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I am not sure where the RayJ visited Baylor twice comes from..
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Dom probably celebrating Edey returning to Purdue...
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Imagining Squeaky all sweaty, with his eyes bulging out, unable to sleep for days....
So, like normal?
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Today went well.
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Can we at least keep Dom for the football forum?
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No.
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He’s the only thing keeping PAMan from looking like a complete loon.
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You'll have to go out and recruit somebody, sorry.
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Hey, Dom. If you start a new account with the name Truthy McTrutherson, I promise not to rat you out.
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Don't encourage him.
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Don't encourage him.
I don’t think my encouragement will matter.
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Hawkins returning
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1664096249375514625?t=qKhgWijYBKcUr69kIkddtA&s=19
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Hawkins returning
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1664096249375514625?t=qKhgWijYBKcUr69kIkddtA&s=19
Welcome back Hawk.....2 down, 1 to go as predicted!!!
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LMAO
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Oh man guys is this great!
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Yup. As long as the point forward bullshit is over.
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TSJ is G-O-N-E.
Use your common sense.
He will be 24 years old next year. He will never be a first round pick.
He’s already a guaranteed second rd pick. That his maxed out value.
No pro players wants to be in college for 5 years.
Hawkins hates college and he will leave even if he’s undrafted. That’s why Underwood brought Guerrier in. Guerrier would not be here if he thought Hawkins was coming back.
Whatever scrub PG they find won’t matter. This team will be one of the worst teams in the Big 10 next year and unless Sparky is AD, Whitman is gonna fire him next March.
Sticky it. I have spoken. And it will be true.
Did anybody get around to stickying this?
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Done.
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https://youtu.be/5VtDM5jicRQ
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Can we at least keep Dom for the football forum?
Would you really want that?
Dumbassinic is dead.
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Wonder how this past day has effected us in lunardis June 1st 2024 ncaa tournament bracketology thingamajigger
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Would you really want that?
Dumbassinic is dead.
Yes. His football takes are freaking hilarious and the pinnacle of HQ entertainment.
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So has Dom posted since the news broke?
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Nope.
Good riddance.
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He'll probably show up if RayJ commits to Baylor to say see, he was actually right about everything.
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Well, you guys got what you wanted. But I’ll say one thing, this place just got more boring.
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Losing Truth has never, ever, ever been a bad thing for a message board.
That's why every message board has done it.
Go on Twitter if you want to see morons make bad faith arguments. There are millions of 'em out there.
It's really his own fault. When it was clear Shannon was coming back I gave him TWO chances to get out of the bet.
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Because sports message board talk is serious business. I know firsthand.
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Well, you guys got what you wanted. But I’ll say one thing, this place just got more boring.
Geez, Tempo.... You can find worthless psychopaths everywhere without looking too hard.
Go on Twitter. It is a mental health shitshow.
You are the only one who found his pathology entertaining.
There is a reason he has been banned everywhere.
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I guess I don't understand your affinity for this one particular insufferable idiot.
I'm sure he'll find a way to sneak onto some Illini board if you really want to find him.
He does less than nothing for me personally. I'm glad he's gone, there has never been a time Truth got banned and a board got worse.
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I guess I don't understand your affinity for this one particular insufferable idiot.
I'm sure he'll find a way to sneak onto some Illini board if you really want to find him.
He does less than nothing for me personally. I'm glad he's gone, there has never been a time Truth got banned and a board got worse.
He just got banned from Loyalty again last week under another username.
He will no doubt try to start another account here.
He cannot control himself and will be easily identified.
Custard will need to ban him when that happens.
Yes, it will be like whack a mole but that is the way it is with pathetic personality disordered losers.
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Could be wrong but my guess is he knows it's going to be impossible to "sneak" onto a board with like 8 regulars.
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On a basketball note. The internet BB analyst guys indicating Baylor now.
Will be interesting to see who we have as Plan Bs.
There is always another guy.
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Could be wrong but my guess is he knows it's going to be impossible to "sneak" onto a board with like 8 regulars.
LOL. Good point.
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I don't really care thst much about Dom but beyond being hilarious I have to think a lot of the thread clogging BS is a drawback from having other posters participate more.
As to the basketball we are so stocked in wing forwards and have actual depth I hope last year proves to be a Mayer-driven anomaly.
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Geez, Tempo.... You can find worthless psychopaths everywhere without looking too hard.
Go on Twitter. It is a mental health shitshow.
You are the only one who found his pathology entertaining.
There is a reason he has been banned everywhere.
Exactly.
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He'll probably show up if RayJ commits to Baylor to say see, he was actually right about everything.
Still doubt the RayJ thing will happen to Baylor, I would assume the "3" have had talks to the length of hey we need you dog, yea we need each other, yea we can do great things....we will see I guess.
As far as Dumbfuknik, good riddance, once a troll, always one.
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You strike me as the type that’s going to be bullish on Illinois no matter what, though.
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You strike me as the type that’s going to be bullish on Illinois no matter what, though.
Ya think?
Although, I think he has been somewhat critical of Underwood at times.
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Glad you didn't bet.
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Glad you didn't bet.
Lol, nope. You're still stuck with me.
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I meant the dude picking Illinois 20 minutes before the announcement when everyone paying attention already knew it was Baylor. Very Truth-esque there.
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I went over to see what Loyalty was saying and they're melting down, it's hilarious.
We got the two biggest fish by far back in the fold like 15 hours ago. It's wild to me that this would cause the sort of meltdown happening over there.
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I meant the dude picking Illinois 20 minutes before the announcement when everyone paying attention already knew it was Baylor. Very Truth-esque there.
Oh. My bad.
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Spark, any word on Curbelo coming back? He still has the chance to be an NBA HOF for JudgeJudy....
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I went over to see what Loyalty was saying and they're melting down, it's hilarious.
We got the two biggest fish by far back in the fold like 15 hours ago. It's wild to me that this would cause the sort of meltdown happening over there.
Weird for a homer board. Agree 100% that TSJ and Hawkins were THE huge returns. We will have much better depth, rebounding, and better 3 point shooting.
Dennis looked like a decent option, but we will find someone else.
People forget we really haven't had a true point guard in here since McCamey.
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Spark, any word on Curbelo coming back? He still has the chance to be an NBA HOF for JudgeJudy....
Rumor has it we've been in talks with Curbelo as a back up plan for the last few days.
Yes, I'm lying.
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Well played SIR, well played, yes I will take 2-3, that is millions on the PRO level btw... ;D ;D
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Weird for a homer board. Agree 100% that TSJ and Hawkins were THE huge returns. We will have much better depth, rebounding, and better 3 point shooting.
Dennis looked like a decent option, but we will find someone else.
People forget we really haven't had a true point guard in here since McCamey.
I honestly don't get it. You'd think we'd have gone 0/3 instead of getting the two most important pieces.
They're literally talking about buying Underwood out for this over there. A one year transfer, 15 hours after we got an all conference guy and another potential all conference guy back on our roster. Someone said Underwood will never make up this ground with Whitman and the boosters. Like, what?
They're comparing it to missing on Eric Gordon.
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Ya think?
Although, I think he has been somewhat critical of Underwood at times.
Only when needed...but yes I predicted RayJ and all 3 I was wrong on the last obviously.
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Someone said Underwood will never make up this ground with Whitman and the boosters. Like, what?
They're comparing it to missing on Eric Gordon.
Laughable.
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They're comparing it to missing on Eric Gordon.
Lol that’s a bit over the top.
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It’s legitimately insane given that while it sucks, it’s also coming on the heels of two very very positive announcements for the program.
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Laughable.
Crazy shit.
We went the whole season without any PG it turned out who could actually pass, shoot the 3, or run a basic PnR.
My God- play fucking Rodgers and backup with DGL and Moretti and we are still way ahead.
We are a ranked #26 in Torvak without a PG.
https://www.barttorvik.com/rosters24.php?team=Illinois&year=2023 (https://www.barttorvik.com/rosters24.php?team=Illinois&year=2023)
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If we'd gone 0/3 and were looking at a terrible roster I can see losing it a little bit, but..
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If we'd gone 0/3 and were looking at a terrible roster I can see losing it a little bit, but..
We were ranked 50 on Torvak at end of season. We have added a lot of decent players.
Find anybody to bring the ball up without tripping over themselves ,and run a a PnR,and shoot enough that they have to guard him and we should be Top 20.
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I’m seeing a lot of people acting like we should’ve cut ties with RayJ a couple weeks ago, or that we should've taken Caleb Love who would've been a true, true disaster.
I’m sure that’d have gone over well.
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It’s legitimately insane given that while it sucks, it’s also coming on the heels of two very very positive announcements for the program.
It's unhinged. I would've considered firing Underwood after season 2 and at halftime of the Loyola game and I'm...not sure he's even approaching the hot seat currently?
We have a 2nd year Harris, the one freshman, Morretti, and multiple wings who can temporarily handle the ball. We should get someone else in who's stable but it's a tourney roster as is. Hell, if you roll out Shannon, Harmon, Domask, Rogers, and Hawkins you've got 5 guys who can at least function as ball handlers short term.
We have a full 2-deep and no team in the conference can press a full game. We'll be fine.
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It's unhinged. I would've considered firing Underwood after season 2 and at halftime of the Loyola game and I'm...not sure he's even approaching the hot seat currently?
We have a 2nd year Harris, the one freshman, Morretti, and multiple wings who can temporarily handle the ball. We should get someone else in who's stable but it's a tourney roster as is. Hell, if you roll out Shannon, Harmon, Domask, Rogers, and Hawkins you've got 5 guys who can at least function as ball handlers short term.
We have a full 2-deep and no team in the conference can press a full game. We'll be fine.
It's crazy talk. We added a lot of key pieces. Ton of legit depth.
Play Rodgers and Harmon at point if we have to.
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I will say, if Josh Whitman really would consider Underwood's seat even one degree warmer for getting Shannon and Hawkins back and not getting Dennis, then Whitman isn't the right guy at all.
I sincerely doubt he thinks that way, though.
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No, I'd sure hope not. If the season goes off the rails, fine, but multiple tourneys in a row and having your 2 best players back with some decent prospects incoming? Lol why?
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Well, we got a point guard.
Looks like he was pretty solid as a freshman at Temple and pretty bad as a sophomore. Then transferred to Iowa State and tore his achilles before he played.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremiah-williams-3.html
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Well, we got a point guard.
Looks like he was pretty solid as a freshman at Temple and pretty bad as a sophomore. Then transferred to Iowa State and tore his achilles before he played.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremiah-williams-3.html
Tempo, any pictures of this Simeon product with Illini garb on posted on his MySpace Wall?
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Welp, let's hope he gets the full Fletch treatment on that Achilles. That's a tough injury to rehab and come back to 100%.
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Well, we got a point guard.
Looks like he was pretty solid as a freshman at Temple and pretty bad as a sophomore. Then transferred to Iowa State and tore his achilles before he played.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremiah-williams-3.html
I don't know if bad is word I would use. His efficiency ratings for both years on both offense and defense were over 100. That's solid. Not a 3 baller or free throw shooter but does the rest just fine. Key will be coming off an injury and layoff.
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I'm pretty comfortable saying that someone who shot 42/23/63 had a bad year. People last year acted like Hawkins, Epps, Clark, Harris etc. were horrible shooters and they were all considerably better in terms of shooting efficiency. His ORtg his last year playing would've been 9th on our team last season and our fans acted like it was the worst offensive team in history. His TS% and eFG would've been 10th (excluding Lieb).
He was notably better as a freshman though, and have heard he's a plus defender.
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https://247sports.com/college/illinois/article/jeremiah-williams-commits-to-illinois-fighting-illini-basketball-211005494/
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If Williams can get healthy he is decent backup.
They are supposedly going to crean someone and add another guard.
My guess is Moretti is gone.
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Woof how bad is Moretti?
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Woof how bad is Moretti?
Have no clue. Small. Skill kid.
Might contribute in a different system like Iowa where they do not guard much and play zone.
They took Harding who is same size and high skills kid.
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Not a 3 baller or free throw shooter...
Sounds like he could fit right in....
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Need better FT shooters or we are at risk of PAMan losing another 2nd half bet in a blowout NCAA loss.
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Need better FT shooters or we are at risk of PAMan losing another 2nd half bet in a blowout NCAA loss.
Without good free shooters the Illini may not compete for that B1G Regular Season championship banner we all want!
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it'd fucking suck if we competed for a conference title this year
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it'd fucking suck if we competed for a conference title this year
It'd fucking suck if they didn't win 2 games, at a minimum, in The Only Tourney That Matters.
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It's easier to win in the tourney when you make it, I've found.
Keep putting good, tournament quality teams on the court and the tourney success will come.
Start over and there's definitely a chance it will come, but it's far more likely you end up starting over a few more times before you find somebody who can get us back there consistently. As we, as Illini fans, should know from experience.
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It's easier to win in the tourney when you make it, I've found.
Yeah, but Illinois has not done a good job of winning when they have made it recently and you do not have to win a Regular Season B1G Conference title to get into The Only Tourney That Matters.
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It's easier to win in the tourney when you make it, I've found.
Keep putting good, tournament quality teams on the court and the tourney success will come.
Start over and there's definitely a chance it will come, but it's far more likely you end up starting over a few more times before you find somebody who can get us back there consistently. As we, as Illini fans, should know from experience.
All of which has zilch to do with worthless Regular Season B1G Championships, as we, as Illini fans, know from experience.
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It'd fucking suck if they didn't win 2 games, at a minimum, in The Only Tourney That Matters.
Seems to be the annual mantra, rightfully so, and yes it sucks each year when we don't do it.
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All of which has zilch to do with worthless Regular Season B1G Championships, as we, as Illini fans, know from experience.
It's fine that you think winning your league is worthless, but the huge, huge majority of people would find that pretty ridiculous.
I definitely don't. Winning a ton of games, hanging banners... those things are fun to me, personally, even if we don't make it as deep as we want in the NCAA.
The current Illinois fanbase would never in a million years put up with Lou Henson's results, and his name is on our court. It's crazy. He won 2 tournament games three times in 21 seasons at Illinois.
Do you honestly expect me to believe that if we make the S16 this year you'll be like "okay I was wrong about Underwood" instead of moving the goalposts? I don't believe that for one single second.
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It's fine that you think winning your league is worthless, but the huge, huge majority of people would find that pretty ridiculous.
I definitely don't. Winning a ton of games, hanging banners... those things are fun to me, personally, even if we don't make it as deep as we want in the NCAA.
The current Illinois fanbase would never in a million years put up with Lou Henson's results, and his name is on our court. It's crazy. He won 2 tournament games three times in 21 seasons at Illinois.
Do you honestly expect me to believe that if we make the S16 this year you'll be like "okay I was wrong about Underwood" instead of moving the goalposts? I don't believe that for one single second.
I do not expect you to do anything except continue being happy with pursuing Regular Season B1G Conference banners.
I certainly do not care what low expectations the rest of the fanbase may have. Though I am skeptical you have the pulse of the fanbase.
Yes, if regularly get to the S16, the goal is then E8s, then F4s, then a championship.
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Yes, like most reasonable people I am going to be happy when my favorite team wins their league.
At least you acknowledge that your target is moving. It's still stupid, but the honesty is refreshing.
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Would you be happier with a B1G title, a 3 seed, and a second round loss, or sneaking in on the back end of the bubble as an 11 seed and making the S16 by beating a 6 and a 14?
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ah an argument as old as time
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FWIW, I think it's fair to criticize Underwood's lack of tourney success - especially the 1 seed year.
But mocking people for being happy when their team wins their conference is beyond stupid.
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Now that Dom is gone I see spark has taken to eviscerating PAMan
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Yes, like most reasonable people I am going to be happy when my favorite team wins their league.
At least you acknowledge that your target is moving. It's still stupid, but the honesty is refreshing.
How fucking ridiculous.
No, yours is stupid, which is not refreshing because it remains so fucking stupid.
Morons like you only care about dumbass Regular Season titles because we aren't even close to a real championship. What a dumbass.
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Now that Dom is gone I see spark has taken to eviscerating PAMan
Spark ain't doing shit.
B1G regular season titles are worthless. Maybe we should focus on winning 2 Tourney games for a change.
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Would you be happier with a B1G title, a 3 seed, and a second round loss, or sneaking in on the back end of the bubble as an 11 seed and making the S16 by beating a 6 and a 14?
S16.
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ah an argument as old as time
You know why it is as old as time? Because Illinois can't get its head out of its ass to win the damn Tourney so fans like Spark have to find something to feel good about. The old bigotry of low expectations.
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FWIW, I think it's fair to criticize Underwood's lack of tourney success - especially the 1 seed year.
But mocking people for being happy when their team wins their conference is beyond stupid.
For the record I'm a regular season title enjoyer
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Would you be happier with a B1G title, a 3 seed, and a second round loss, or sneaking in on the back end of the bubble as an 11 seed and making the S16 by beating a 6 and a 14?
I’m ok with the former if you have the outlier year (E8, F4 occasionally). I’ve called that “Losing to the level of Bill Self” in the past. Though most years he’d make an E8. Conference titles are nice, but I’d rather just have a 5 or better seed every year and roll the dice in the tourney.
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Trey Woodbury in play.
Looks like he can shoot.
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Well Trey is a good start. Even though I never liked calling 3s treys.
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I like his highlights, numbers look good. Was teammates with the Harmon kid last year at Utah Valley, they went to the NIT semis.
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The more I watch of him the more I like. Turnover numbers are a bit high but everything else checking out.
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Turnover numbers are a bit high ....
He should fit right in.
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Seems to had an injury his jr year. Had a great sophomore season then started slow his senior year back from injury. Then as season went on numbers went.up. especially his last 10 games. Season ave : 14 pts 6 rebs 5 ast. 2.5 turnovers. Shoots it 45/39/74.
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I don't understand the Jeremiah Williams take. He appears to be seriously damaged goods and Moretti is doing well in the weight room.
I wonder if something else is going on behind the scenes? Does this help them with Simeon? Is another ride opening up?
I don't like the idea of creaning players that are doing what they are asked to do.
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I don't understand the Jeremiah Williams take. He appears to be seriously damaged goods and Moretti is doing well in the weight room.
I wonder if something else is going on behind the scenes? Does this help them with Simeon? Is another ride opening up?
I don't like the idea of creaning players that are doing what they are asked to do.
Employee turnover can be a tough way to run a business.
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Seems to had an injury his jr year. Had a great sophomore season then started slow his senior year back from injury. Then as season went on numbers went.up. especially his last 10 games. Season ave : 14 pts 6 rebs 5 ast. 2.5 turnovers. Shoots it 45/39/74.
His NIT numbers.
(https://i.ibb.co/Rj3gYbj/Screenshot-20230601-215708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LNx0YRN)
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Recruiting is the appetizer. The non conference games are the soup and salad bar. The B1G regular season is the main course. The B1G tournament is coffee. The NCAA tournament is dessert.
Another analogy. The B1G championship is the meat and potatoes. The NCAA tournament is the gravy.
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Recruiting is the appetizer. The non conference games are the soup and salad bar. The B1G regular season is the main course. The B1G tournament is coffee. The NCAA tournament is dessert.
Another analogy. The B1G championship is the meat and potatoes. The NCAA tournament is the gravy.
Correct.
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So did Dom get ban-hammered, or is he just living up to the bet (thus far). Would at least be fun to hear a goodbye post lol
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I think they're equal. I'd trade the 00-01 title banner to get that team into the Final Four, but at the same time I really don't desire to have a ton of years where we suck in conference and kick into the Sweet Sixteen.
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I gotta admit I didn't anticipate Tempo openly pining for Truth.
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I think they're equal. I'd trade the 00-01 title banner to get that team into the Final Four, but at the same time I really don't desire to have a ton of years where we suck in conference and kick into the Sweet Sixteen.
Maybe every year S16 would be worth sucking in the regular season? IDK, but that isn't usually how it works. Teams that had mediocre regular seasons make it to the second weekend every year, but no team does that consistently.
The best way to get to the S16 is to 1. be in the tournament and 2. have a high seed, which you're almost definitely going to do if you win a P5 league. Doesn't guarantee success in the tournament as we found out recently, but it certainly helps your chances. It's not like tournament success is totally unrelated to regular season success.
Bottom line: the notion that the ONLY thing that matters, period, is the single elimination NCAA tournament, and things like BTT titles, regular season conference titles etc. not only don't matter, but if you enjoy those things you're worthy of mockery, is a crazy notion that frankly sounds like an absolutely miserable way to watch sports.
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So did Dom get ban-hammered, or is he just living up to the bet (thus far). Would at least be fun to hear a goodbye post lol
PM him and get his email. I am sure he has no friends.
You can be his mentor.
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I gotta admit I didn't anticipate Tempo openly pining for Truth.
Tempo is a known iconoclast. But this is out there.
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I'm a little nutty, but I enjoy piling up wins during the regular season. I know, kinda crazy, but I like watching winning basketball from my Illini.
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I'm a little nutty, but I enjoy piling up wins during the regular season. I know, kinda crazy, but I like watching winning basketball from my Illini.
Agree. Want some success in every part of season.
A S16 before we all die would be nice.
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I gotta admit I didn't anticipate Tempo openly pining for Truth.
Oh Jesus Christ, because sports message boards are such serious fucking business. I’d like to hear his excuses for why he was wrong (or in his case probably right). I have zero doubt I don’t care for Truth’s political opinions, but that lumps him in with 70% of the people here probably.
As far as his history as a sexual deviant, I don’t know if any of that has been substantiated. Has it? People make up narratives and run with them for years around here, I can attest to that. I personally enjoy a message board that isn’t group think.
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Hahaha, your big angry rant really showed those people who think message boards are serious business. Stuck it to me bud.
Sorry it makes you like this place less to have one less bad faith moron around, but it has simply never been a negative for a forum to not have truth posting on it, ever.
He had his chance to acknowledge he was talking out his ass when it became clear to everyone what was happening and he couldn’t do it. That’s on him.
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Hahaha, your big angry rant really showed those people who think message boards are serious business. Stuck it to me bud.
Sorry it makes you like this place less to have one less bad faith moron around, but it has simply never been a negative for a forum to not have truth posting on it, ever.
He had his chance to acknowledge he was talking out his ass when it became clear to everyone what was happening and he couldn’t do it. That’s on him.
Well you accuse me of “bad faith” arguments all the time. I don’t think you’re pining to have me banned. What’s the difference?
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You didn't bet your voting rights by claiming to know for a fact something you didn't know shit about and pass on multiple chances to get out of the bet when it was clear you were going to lose.
If you and the rest of the board would prefer you can get Truth back in here and pretend he won the bet and I'll leave. He'd love that, for sure.
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So he has an exaggerated opinion of himself. Throw him on the pile with the rest of us. Although, I’d admit he’s an extreme example.
To me. By far his worst traits would be if he were actually a stalker/deviant would be the reason to want him gone. But to my knowledge none of that has been verified. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it couldn’t be with all the bad faith accusations that go on around here. I think his sports takes are hilariously entertaining.
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That's fine. Get him back here, pretend with him and I'll leave. No problem at all.
He wasn't going to let me out of the bet if he'd won, that's for sure. He said some really heinous shit about me leading up to him losing the bet. I offered him the chance to stay twice and he passed.
If despite all that you'd rather have him here, that works for me. Kind of fits, even.
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I don’t have a strong desire to see anyone leave. I’ll take the “bad faith” sports debates all day long. I get plenty of it from PAMan. It’s the malicious personal attacks I’d like to see less of.
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And yet, you're here whining that the dude who spent the last week calling me a retard faggot cancer had to man up and back up the bet he made.
Interesting how that works.
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That's fine. Get him back here, pretend with him and I'll leave. No problem at all.
He wasn't going to let me out of the bet if he'd won, that's for sure. He said some really heinous shit about me leading up to him losing the bet. I offered him the chance to stay twice and he passed.
If despite all that you'd rather have him here, that works for me. Kind of fits, even.
This reminds me of when you respond with the “it’s crazy to fire Underwood” responses I get when I levy minimal criticism of him. Dom lost the bet, that’s fine. I’d still like to see him response to the loss. Adds to the drama.
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Cratchelow bet his posting rights and lost. He kept his word and left the old HQ. I don't see Tempo pining for him.
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I'm just fine with him finally paying up on one of his bets. It'd have been funny to dogpile him when he ranted about losing, sure, but I don't miss him. I'm sorry you do.
Like I said, happy to let you guys pretend with Dom if that's what you'd rather do. I was going to abide by the bet I made, so I'm perfectly comfortable with him abiding by the bet he made.
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And yet, you're here whining that the dude who spent the last week calling me a retard faggot cancer had to man up and back up the bet he made.
Interesting how that works.
That part is true. That shouldn’t be allowed, but to me that’s on moderation. There are several “favorite sons” around here that have posted equally as bad stuff.
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I'm just fine with him finally paying up on one of his bets. It'd have been funny to dogpile him when he ranted about losing, sure, but I don't miss him. I'm sorry you do.
Like I said, happy to let you guys pretend with Dom if that's what you'd rather do. I was going to abide by the bet I made, so I'm perfectly comfortable with him abiding by the bet he made.
He made the bet and lost. All of that is fair.
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That part is true. That shouldn’t be allowed, but to me that’s on moderation. There are several “favorite sons” around here that have posted equally as bad stuff.
And haven't gotten banned for it, just like he wasn't.
He could be here right now if he'd simply manned up, acknowledged he didn't know shit when it was clear he was going to lose the bet, and taken one of the two lifelines I threw him. He passed. That isn't my fault.
I'd rather leave than see you keep whining about how Truth had to leave because of a bet he made, honestly, so if he comes back you guys can pretend with him and I'll leave.
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He can stay or go, I’m not super passionate about either outcome.
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Hahaha, you've literally posted probably four or five times now about it.
One of us was going to leave - that's how the posting rights bets work. If you'd rather it be me, well then fair enough. You deserve Truth in that circumstance.
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Less caffeine in the morning maybe?
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Is that what caused the whining about Truth leaving? If so, then maybe.
Like I said, I did not anticipate that really at all. I'll leave it up to the board if they'd rather me leave.
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You know I’d rather have you hear than anyone. But I also like watching Truth rattle certain peoples’ cages. It’s entertaining.
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Is that what caused the whining about Truth leaving? If so, then maybe.
Like I said, I did not anticipate that really at all. I'll leave it up to the board if they'd rather me leave.
There isn’t a single person here who’d rather have Truth than you. Me included.
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Well, those were the options as soon as he passed on getting out of the bet.
Do you think he'd have offered me a chance to get out after it was clear to anyone who had any modicum of "inside" information I had lost?
He'd still be ranting about what a retard faggot cancer I am and how he's the only insider right now.
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Squeaky needs to start his own illiniboard.
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Squeaky needs to start his own illiniboard.
Didn't he make a blog once or something
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Didn't he make a blog once or something
Not sure.
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Not sure.
I thought he did and it was hilariously bad, maybe my mind is misremembering
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Illini now 35th in t-rank. Perhaps they factor in Underwood being an slightly above average coach?
https://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php
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Illini now 35th in t-rank. Perhaps they factor in Underwood being an slightly above average coach?
https://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php
I am not a "glass half empty" guy, but the thought that he is not a slightly above average coach is, maybe, weighing down the rating?
*Had to do a chump edit due to poor typing when trying to ask a question.
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I am not a "glass half empty" guy, but the thought that he is not is a slightly above average coach is, maybe, weighing down the rating?
Seems to be a poor mix of players. This group will struggle to score.
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I thought he did and it was hilariously bad, maybe my mind is misremembering
Hilariously bad sounds like Squeaky.
Perhaps he becomes a YouTube influencer? He can be a homeless Andrew Tate.
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You know I’d rather have you hear than anyone. But I also like watching Truth rattle certain peoples’ cages. It’s entertaining.
I guess it is entertaining if you like racist homophobic hate speech daily, and constant mentally ill delusional trolling.
I think Trump has an actual social media platform for you to fill that gap in your life now.
Not sure who was more sick and unhinged- him or Legends.
This board is much more enjoyable now.
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I guess it is entertaining if you like racist homophobic hate speech daily, and constant mentally ill delusional trolling.
I think Trump has an actual social media platform for you to fill that gap in your life now.
You never post on the deuce or other forums, so you don’t see it.
Not sure who was more sick and unhinged- him or Legends.
This board is much more enjoyable now.
I don’t like that part, but no one else here is punished for vulgar, racist, or over the line behavior. Seems selective.
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You never post in the deuce or other forums, so you don’t see the vulgar underbelly of HQ.
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I don’t like that part, but no one else here is punished for vulgar, racist, or over the line behavior. Seems selective.
Who else post racist stuff here?
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Who else post racist stuff here?
Good question.
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I don’t like that part, but no one else here is punished for vulgar, racist, or over the line behavior. Seems selective.
Dominic wasn't punished for vulgar, racist, or over the line behavior.
Dominic bet posting rights with Spark that Terrence Shannon would not return. Dom initiated the bet and set the terms. He had chances to back out when it became increasingly clear he was wrong. Instead, he reaffirmed.
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Dominic wasn't punished for vulgar, racist, or over the line behavior.
Dominic bet posting rights with Spark that Terrence Shannon would not return. Dom initiated the bet and set the terms. He had chances to back out when it became increasingly clear he was wrong. Instead, he reaffirmed.
Fair point, but my point is, he’s primarily hated for his Illini takes. Not all the awful shit he’s said. I can guarantee you 70% of the deuce is a lot closer to his political/social issue views than they are to mine or yours.
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Correct.
Tried that analogy at loyalty. Got a wut? and a huh? I adultsplained. Might have been condescending. Some stuff got deleted.
It occurred to me that younger fans maybe didn't get it. All the parts of a full meal are now a fast food burger, geasey fries, and a sugary beverage.
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Fair point, but my point is, he’s primarily hated for his Illini takes. Not all the awful shit he’s said. I can guarantee you 70% of the deuce is a lot closer to his political/social issue views than they are to mine or yours.
I call BS. Your answer to Fanin"s question would be interesting.
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Tried that analogy at loyalty. Got a wut? and a huh? I adultsplained. Might have been condescending. Some stuff got deleted.
It occurred to me that younger fans maybe didn't get it. All the parts of a full meal are now a fast food burger, geasey fries, and a sugary beverage.
What a load of crap. Think Mike Small is content with making the E8, because his team won the B1G title? Get the fuck out of here.
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I don’t like that part, but no one else here is punished for vulgar, racist, or over the line behavior. Seems selective.
Neither was Truth
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Fair point, but my point is, he’s primarily hated for his Illini takes. Not all the awful shit he’s said. I can guarantee you 70% of the deuce is a lot closer to his political/social issue views than they are to mine or yours.
He’s hated because he’s an awful person and a troll.
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What a load of crap. Think Mike Small is content with making the E8, because his team won the B1G title? Get the fuck out of here.
I’d be shocked if Mike Small, or any coach anywhere, wasn’t happy at all his team won their conference title.
Because the notion that it’s stupid to be happy when your team won their conference is something I’ve literally only seen here. It’d be laughed out of any other forum. Frankly seems like it’s mostly laughed out of this one too.
It’s frankly hard to tell if you actually believe it or if you’re just trying to do a bit where you behave just like Truth
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Fair point, but my point is, he’s primarily hated for his Illini takes. Not all the awful shit he’s said. I can guarantee you 70% of the deuce is a lot closer to his political/social issue views than they are to mine or yours.
He's hated for his over the top racism, homophobia and creepiness. His attraction to underage girls is pretty disturbing.
I'm amused when Squeaky tries to troll Illini fans because it usually blows up on his face, as he tries too hard to troll and is almost always wrong.
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I call BS. Your answer to Fanin"s question would be interesting.
They aren’t as brazen about it as Dom is, but they exist here. That’s why I once started my “show me your white pride!” thread. A thread you once hailed as “Hilarious, on multiple levels! Well done, Tempo!”
https://ibb.co/fXVP3XF
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Lol
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They aren’t as brazen about it as Dom is, but they exist here. That’s why I once started my “show me your white pride!” thread. A thread you once hailed as “Hilarious, on multiple levels! Well done, Tempo!”
https://ibb.co/fXVP3XF
You are so fucking weird.
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You are so fucking weird.
Says the king of vulgarity who fakes his death on message boards for amusement. Fuck you.
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Says the king of vulgarity who fakes his death on message boards for amusement. Fuck you.
Hilarious, on multiple levels! Well done, Tempo!
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: of strange or extraordinary character
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weird
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I’d be shocked if Mike Small, or any coach anywhere, wasn’t happy at all his team won their conference title.
Because the notion that it’s stupid to be happy when your team won their conference is something I’ve literally only seen here. It’d be laughed out of any other forum. Frankly seems like it’s mostly laughed out of this one too.
It’s frankly hard to tell if you actually believe it or if you’re just trying to do a bit where you behave just like Truth
You would look a lot smarter if you knew the difference between "content" and "happy." The Tempo School of Arguing looks like it has a new headmaster.
I'm betting Mike Smart is not content with E8s.
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You would look a lot smarter if you knew the difference between "content" and "happy." The Tempo School of Arguing looks like it has a new headmaster.
I'm betting Mike Smart is not content with E8s.
Ironic.
You've been struggling mightily with the difference between content and happy.
No one here has said that they were content with conference titles and never winning in the NCAA tournament, nobody. You have, however, mocked people for saying they enjoyed winning the conference.
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Ironic.
You've been struggling mightily with the difference between content and happy.
No one here has said that they were content with conference titles and never winning in the NCAA tournament, nobody. You have, however, mocked people for saying they enjoyed winning the conference.
Sure seems like many here are content with Regular Season B1G Championships given their comments on The Tourney.
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Sure seems like many here are content with Regular Season B1G Championships given their comments on The Tourney.
Everyone likes dessert.
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You would look a lot smarter if you knew the difference between "content" and "happy." The Tempo School of Arguing looks like it has a new headmaster.
I'm betting Mike Smart is not content with E8s.
I love lobster and seafood. Probably most. Doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy some Cabernet and steak if presented to me.
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Sure seems like many here are content with Regular Season B1G Championships given their comments on The Tourney.
Haven't seen a single person say that, but go off.
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Says the king of vulgarity who fakes his death on message boards for amusement. Fuck you.
What does that have to do with you being weird?
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Definitely not mutually exclusive concepts here. I tend to agree with both assessments.
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What does that have to do with you being weird?
If mocking people for being “proud of being white” is weird, then I’ll gladly wear it. Being white, or male, or American, or all three isn’t an achievement. It’s a statistical and genetic outlier. Certainly less weird than getting your kicks by faking your death over a prolonged period.
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If mocking people for being “proud of being white” is weird, then I’ll gladly wear it. Being white, or male, or American, or all three isn’t an achievement. It’s a statistical and genetic outlier. Certainly less weird than getting your kicks by faking your death over a prolonged period.
How about Native Americans who take pride in being Native American ?
Do you mock them also ?
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Definitely the same thing, great post.
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Definitely the same thing, great post.
Definitely!
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I guess that's a "No."
Lol
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How about Native Americans who take pride in being Native American ?
Do you mock them also ?
They should have fought harder.
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I guess that's a "No."
Lol
Did you go to UI?
It’s absolutely fucking stunning that a college educated person might need this explained to them. Just unreal.
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I guess that's a "No."
Lol
I have a feeling you knew what was coming.
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Did you go to UI?
It’s absolutely fucking stunning that a college education might need this explained to them. Just unreal.
Ironic
In before the chump edit, I see.
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Spark calling someone dumb again...just another day ending in "y" at the old HQ2.
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Another day on HQ, another day with PAMan openly supporting race baiting oppressive nonsense.
You became Truth. Frankly it seems like he fit in here better than I do - he would agree that if the oppressed get to be proud then the oppressors do too. That’s a deplorable view, obviously, but you seem to think it’s very reasonable.
Let’s put it this way; if white cis men hadn’t spent the last couple hundred years oppressing and murdering gay, black, native, trans people then we wouldn’t need pride parades. They exist because for most of this country’s history being proud of being gay or black or trans was likely to get you murdered. Us cis straight white men simply cannot understand what that would be like. It’s impossible.
I’m aware context isn’t the strong suit of the fishwrap guy but you’re smarter than you pretend to be here. At least I thought you were.
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PAMan is on like a super villain trajectory where he starts off just trolling for lolz and slowly morphs into a legitimately terrible person
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One thing is for sure, no one will ever accuse Mn of being “woke.”
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PAMan is on like a super villain trajectory where he starts off just trolling for lolz and slowly morphs into a legitimately terrible person
🎯
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Another day on HQ, another day with PAMan openly supporting race baiting oppressive nonsense.
You became Truth. Frankly it seems like he fit in here better than I do - he would agree that if the oppressed get to be proud then the oppressors do too. That’s a deplorable view, obviously, but you seem to think it’s very reasonable.
Let’s put it this way; if white cis men hadn’t spent the last couple hundred years oppressing and murdering gay, black, native, trans people then we wouldn’t need pride parades. They exist because for most of this country’s history being proud of being gay or black or trans was likely to get you murdered. Us cis straight white men simply cannot understand what that would be like. It’s impossible.
I’m aware context isn’t the strong suit of the fishwrap guy but you’re smarter than you pretend to be here. At least I thought you were.
What kind of educated and compassionate shit is this? Im appalled at your attempt to be a decent human being.
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How about Native Americans who take pride in being Native American ?
Do you mock them also ?
You forgot to mention LGBTQ Pride. And Black Pride. There is clearly a difference there.
How about Italian pride or Irish pride?
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Did you go to UI?
It’s absolutely fucking stunning that a college educated person might need this explained to them. Just unreal.
Product of reading, watching, and listening to conservative media.
It's like complaining there is no white history month. That sort of thing has traction.
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If mocking people for being “proud of being white” is weird, then I’ll gladly wear it. Being white, or male, or American, or all three isn’t an achievement. It’s a statistical and genetic outlier. Certainly less weird than getting your kicks by faking your death over a prolonged period.
Are you Jewish by chance?
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Are you Jewish by chance?
Raised Roman Catholic. Currently agnostic/atheist.
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PAMan is on like a super villain trajectory where he starts off just trolling for lolz and slowly morphs into a legitimately terrible person
This could be the POTY. It’s just so spot on.
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Raised Roman Catholic. Currently agnostic/atheist.
Interesting
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Interesting
Explain why, perhaps.
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Raised Roman Catholic. Currently agnostic/atheist.
Did you come under the impression that mocking people was ok before, or after, your transformation ?
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Let’s put it this way; if white cis men hadn’t spent the last couple hundred years oppressing and murdering gay, black, native, trans people then we wouldn’t need pride parades. They exist because for most of this country’s history being proud of being gay or black or trans was likely to get you murdered.
Your point would have been better made without the wild exaggeration.
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Your point would have been better made without the wild exaggeration.
Hahhaha which bit was wildly exaggerated? I undersold the truth of white Americans’ interactions with the minorities they oppressed.
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Your point would have been better made without the wild exaggeration.
What part is exaggerated? “Likely to get you murdered?” That I’d say is exaggerated, but it ‘could’ get you murdered, and it would almost certainly get you bullied and shunned by society as a whole. Good chance you’d be disowned by your own family.
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Did you come under the impression that mocking people was ok before, or after, your transformation ?
I’m gonna need you to be more specific in your criticism. I don’t expect you to give a quality response, though. But if you could clarify what you mean, that would help me explain myself.
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Did you come under the impression that mocking people was ok before, or after, your transformation ?
Are you complaining that I’d mock “proud white men?”
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What part is exaggerated? “Likely to get you murdered?” That I’d say is exaggerated, but it ‘could’ get you murdered, and it would almost certainly get you bullied and shunned by society as a whole. Good chance you’d be disowned by your own family.
If you ignore the entire history of this country until like 1970 you could maybe make the case you weren’t pretty likely to be murdered for going out and stating your pride as a gay man or a trans person.
There’s a regular in this board who often fantasizes about brutalizing and murdering trans people in 2023 and nobody but me and Tempo even call it out.
As a thought exercise, who were the most prominent black civil rights activists and what happened to them? How about gay activists?
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Are you complaining that I’d mock “proud white men?”
That you would gladly mock people.
But I thought that was fairly obvious.
And your words were "proud of being white".
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Product of reading, watching, and listening to conservative media.
It's like complaining there is no white history month. That sort of thing has traction.
Are you suggesting that if I read, watched and listened to liberal media that I would find mocking people more acceptable ?
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That you would gladly mock people.
But I thought that was fairly obvious.
And your words were "proud of being white".
Oh, we’re parsing words now. So what’s your beef exactly? We shouldn’t mock racists? Is that your point?
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Sorry, is the "why is white pride not okay" victimhood thing not mockery of oppressed groups?
It definitely is.
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Are you suggesting that if I read, watched and listened to liberal media that I would find mocking people more acceptable ?
We shouldn’t mock racist people, that’s as bad as being racist!
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I’m about 99.9% sure Mn is one of those people who thinks racism only really exists if we “talk about it.”
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Cue Morgan Freeman video.
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There’s a regular in this board who often fantasizes about brutalizing and murdering trans people in 2023 and nobody but me and Tempo even call it out.
I wasn't aware we had that here. I will cosign any calling out of such bigotry. Gay/trans/nb lives matter. All else equal they matter more than fascists'.
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Explain why, perhaps.
I just find your level of white guilt to be a bit high that's all, carry on!
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I just find your level of white guilt to be a bit high that's all, carry on!
Color me shocked!
What does that have to do with being Jewish (or Catholic)?
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I wasn't aware we had that here. I will cosign any calling out of such bigotry. Gay/trans/nb lives matter. All else equal they matter more than fascists'.
I'm thinking he is referring to Judge Judy's "bathroom" issue.
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The two board martyrs having a great day. Good stuff.
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Interesting
Can't blame us on this one, 97.
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Your point would have been better made without the wild exaggeration.
Hyperbole is what we do well here.
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PAMan is on like a super villain trajectory where he starts off just trolling for lolz and slowly morphs into a legitimately terrible person
https://youtu.be/YuoToHKCas4
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What part is exaggerated? “Likely to get you murdered?” That I’d say is exaggerated, but it ‘could’ get you murdered, and it would almost certainly get you bullied and shunned by society as a whole. Good chance you’d be disowned by your own family.
Depended on when and where. Still depends on where to an extent.
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Wouldn’t want to be an outed gay person in Saudi Arabia or Russia.
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Are you suggesting that if I read, watched and listened to liberal media that I would find mocking people more acceptable ?
Are you being facetious?
There are white conservatives who feel persecuted because white pride is not viewed the same way as black pride or gay pride.
What is mocked is their way of thinking. There is no need to promote white pride or have a separate white history month. Straight white people have never been taught to be ashamed of their very existence. Mainstream history is the history of western christian civilization.
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Mainstream history is the history of western christian civilization.
Isn't the saying that the victors get to write history?
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Oh, we’re parsing words now. So what’s your beef exactly? We shouldn’t mock racists? Is that your point?
Wouldn't want to harm their self esteem.
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Wouldn't want to harm their self esteem.
We all could also be a little more precise in our wordsmithing (if that is even a word).
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Wouldn’t want to be an outed gay person in Saudi Arabia or Russia.
I thought we all were supposed to respect the cultures and norms of other nations and their people?
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Isn't the saying that the victors get to write history?
No. The saying, source unknown, is that the victors do write the history. This is exactly why we need minority set aside perspectives.
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I thought we all were supposed to respect the cultures and norms of other nations and their people?
It depends on what you mean by respect. I always respected my parents. I did not agree with them all the time. At times, I had to tolerate our differences.
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To many libs on this site. No wonder why they call losing seasons successful. Because participation trophies
Also shutup spark
You're annoying
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But tell me what you really think about Coleman Hawkins!
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20–13 11–9 T–5th 9 seed
Losing season; participation trophy.
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Isn't the saying that the victors get to write history?
Lol
Deep thoughts, by ThePAMan…
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I thought we all were supposed to respect the cultures and norms of other nations and their people?
That depends on whether or not those cultures are oppressive or not…
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To many libs on this site. No wonder why they call losing seasons successful. Because participation trophies
Also shutup spark
You're annoying
There’s maybe 5 of us. Tops.
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No. The saying, source unknown, is that the victors do write the history. This is exactly why we need minority set aside perspectives.
That’s a pretty nuanced concept for ThePAMan. Not sure the guy who thinks only quarterbacks have win/loss record responsibility will get it.
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To many libs on this site. No wonder why they call losing seasons successful. Because participation trophies
Also shutup spark
You're annoying
Jasn bringing the thunder. Damn.
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You guys argue too much. I’m busy enjoying my white privilege…
(https://i.ibb.co/vvkgH0V/70749773728-25-FF5013-BC2-B-4-CA5-872-D-A3-AA84608-D3-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yBqGXHd)
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You guys argue too much. I’m busy enjoying my white privilege…
(https://i.ibb.co/vvkgH0V/70749773728-25-FF5013-BC2-B-4-CA5-872-D-A3-AA84608-D3-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yBqGXHd)
That looks even nicer than Squeaky's public beach down the street from his crackhead flophouse.
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Jasn bringing the thunder. Damn.
This has turned into a great thread. Unintentionally, of course.
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It depends on what you mean by respect. I always respected my parents. I did not agree with them all the time. At times, I had to tolerate our differences.
Were your parents from Saudi Arabia or Russia?
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That’s a pretty nuanced concept for ThePAMan. Not sure the guy who thinks only quarterbacks have win/loss record responsibility will get it.
LOL.
You never did tell me Whitehair's W-L record as a Center versus as a Guard.
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W-L is not a overrated stat for qb's!
A lot fo the w-l is also decided by LEADERSHIP QUALITIES
QB'S who have great W-L records were all great LEADERS in the locker room.
top 5
‡ Tom Brady[1] 251 82 0 .754 New England Patriots Football.gif 2000–2019 219 64 0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2020–2022 32 18 0
2 ^ Brett Favre[2] 186 112 0 .624 Atlanta Falcons 1991 0 0 0
Green Bay Packers Football.gif 1992–2007 160 93 0
New York Jets 2008 9 7 0
Minnesota Vikings 2009–2010 17 12 0
^ Peyton Manning[3] 186 79 0 .702 Indianapolis Colts Football.gif 1998–2011 141 67 0
Denver Broncos 2012–2015 45 12 0
4 ‡ Drew Brees[4] 172 114 0 .601 San Diego Chargers 2001–2005 30 28 0
New Orleans Saints Football.gif 2006–2020 142 86 0
5 ‡ Ben Roethlisberger[5]
ALL GREAT LEADERS!
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Jasn is rocketing his way up the leaderboard on best poster status.
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LOL.
You never did tell me Whitehair's W-L record as a Center versus as a Guard.
PAMan, who doesn’t like narrative driven content, can’t help but fall
for narrative driven content. Thinks wins/losses is a quarterback stat
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Or to put it more clearly; PAMan, who can’t stand “talking head” types from ESPN, can’t help but fall for ESPN caliber narratives.
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PAMan, who doesn’t like narrative driven content, can’t help but fall
for narrative driven content. Thinks wins/losses is a quarterback stat
Probably better than the QBR stat.
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Or to put it more clearly; PAMan, who can’t stand “talking head” types from ESPN, can’t help but fall for ESPN caliber narratives.
Which is ironic since you love to tell us what Dan Orlovsky says re JFC.
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I literally cannot think of anything more “mindless talking head” than believing wins/losses are a quarterback stat.
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Which is ironic since you love to tell us what Dan Orlovsky says re JFC.
And like 30 other people. Including former HOF quarterbacks.
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There’s a difference between listening to analysts and falling for hot take narratives.
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I have no problem listening to Dan Orlovsky break down his actual play. If he starts evaluating a quarterback on wins/losses, that’s where I would tune him out.
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David Woodley 34-18-1 as a career starter. Put him in the HOF TODAY.
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I could listen to Dan Orlavsky’s evaluation of a quarterback’s play because he would seem equipped to do that a high level. As soon as I hear him say “the only quarterback stat that matters is wins/losses,” I’d immediately know I can tune him out because he’s a fucking moron.
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I literally cannot think of anything more “mindless talking head” than believing wins/losses are a quarterback stat.
First, there are plenty of mindless stats out there. Second, no one here has said that W-L is the end all of stats or completely on the QB. But we all know that it is out there. One example is Archie Manning. Had a terrible W-L record because he was on terrible teams. Acknowledged to be a great QB but he is not in the HOF is he?
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Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.
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Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.
Custard should move this to the Tempo Strawman Thread.
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First, there are plenty of mindless stats out there. Second, no one here has said that W-L is the end all of stats or completely on the QB. But we all know that it is out there. One example is Archie Manning. Had a terrible W-L record because he was on terrible teams. Acknowledged to be a great QB but he is not in the HOF is he?
It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.
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It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.
Who said W-L alone was determinative? No one. Except you, so you could argue against it.
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W-L is not a overrated stat for qb's!
A lot fo the w-l is also decided by LEADERSHIP QUALITIES
QB'S who have great W-L records were all great LEADERS in the locker room.
top 5
‡ Tom Brady[1] 251 82 0 .754 New England Patriots Football.gif 2000–2019 219 64 0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2020–2022 32 18 0
2 ^ Brett Favre[2] 186 112 0 .624 Atlanta Falcons 1991 0 0 0
Green Bay Packers Football.gif 1992–2007 160 93 0
New York Jets 2008 9 7 0
Minnesota Vikings 2009–2010 17 12 0
^ Peyton Manning[3] 186 79 0 .702 Indianapolis Colts Football.gif 1998–2011 141 67 0
Denver Broncos 2012–2015 45 12 0
4 ‡ Drew Brees[4] 172 114 0 .601 San Diego Chargers 2001–2005 30 28 0
New Orleans Saints Football.gif 2006–2020 142 86 0
5 ‡ Ben Roethlisberger[5]
ALL GREAT LEADERS!
I’m not sure Brett Favre or Ben Roethlisberger were the “best leaders.” Nor Aaron Rodgers. They were supremely talented and had sufficient help.
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Jasn is rocketing his way up the leaderboard on best poster status.
Dipshit says what?
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It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.
Archie Manning's W-L record and failure to play in the playoff game has probably kept him out of the HOF.
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Who said W-L alone was determinative? No one. Except you, so you could argue against it.
You’ve gone down that avenue pretty hard in the past.
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Dipshit says what?
Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.
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Archie Manning's W-L record and failure to play in the playoff game has probably kept him out of the HOF.
Archie was talented, he just wasn’t great. I do believe that some quarterbacks can be ruined by a bad environment. Most can, I would think.
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You’ve gone down that avenue pretty hard in the past.
I've mentioned a lot of "avenues" where JFC has been lacking his 2 years in the league.
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PAMan wants people to believe he hasn’t strongly backed the “only wins and losses matter for a quarterback” narrative.
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I've mentioned a lot of "avenues" where JFC AND THE CHICAGO BEARS AS A WHOLE has been lacking his 2 years in the league.
Fixed it for you.
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Archie was talented, he just wasn’t great. I do believe that some quarterbacks can be ruined by a bad environment. Most can, I would think.
He was a great QB playing for really bad teams. Was a Pro-Bowler when that actually meant something.
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PAMan wants people to believe he hasn’t strongly backed the “only wins and losses matter for a quarterback” narrative.
Chump edit: This is true.
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Fixed it for you.
I think that is true too.
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He was a great QB playing for really bad teams. Was a Pro-Bowler when that actually meant something.
He was a very talented quarterback who had a couple of good years. His career as a whole was not great. If he had quarterbacked Pittsburgh in place or Terry Bradshaw? Who knows? Maybe he wins 6 SBs.
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He was a very talented quarterback who had a couple of good years. His career as a whole was not great. If he had quarterbacked Pittsburgh in place or Terry Bradshaw? Who knows? Maybe he wins 6 SBs.
We will never know. Maybe we can go back and play Strat O Matic football with Archie Manning on those Steelers instead of Bradshaw.
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I’m not sure Brett Favre or Ben Roethlisberger were the “best leaders.” Nor Aaron Rodgers. They were supremely talented and had sufficient help.
Disagree!! Favre and Big Ben put their bodies on the line! That gets teammates excited! Look at the history of qbs who don't lower their shoulder for a block! There teammates do not support them!!!
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Disagree!! Favre and Big Ben put their bodies on the line! That gets teammates excited! Look at the history of qbs who don't lower their shoulder for a block! There teammates do not support them!!!
A lot of quarterbacks have “put their bodies” on the line.” They were good enough leaders, but I wouldn’t look at them (or Rodgers) as “elite leaders.” They were often divisive and selfish.
Brady and Manning were unquestionably great leaders. The one thing all of these quarterbacks have in common is talent. Brady had the least probably.