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Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.

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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #405 on: June 05, 2023, 12:38:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:37:37 PM
Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.

Custard should move this to the Tempo Strawman Thread.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #406 on: June 05, 2023, 12:38:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:35:18 PM
First, there are plenty of mindless stats out there. Second, no one here has said that W-L is the end all of stats or completely on the QB. But we all know that it is out there. One example is Archie Manning. Had a terrible W-L record because he was on terrible teams. Acknowledged to be a great QB but he is not in the HOF is he?

It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #407 on: June 05, 2023, 12:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:38:23 PM
It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.

Who said W-L alone was determinative? No one. Except you, so you could argue against it.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #408 on: June 05, 2023, 12:42:00 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on June 05, 2023, 08:26:48 AM
W-L is not a overrated stat for qb's!

A lot fo the w-l is also decided by LEADERSHIP QUALITIES

QB'S who have great W-L records were all great LEADERS in the locker room.

top 5
‡ Tom Brady[1]    251    82    0    .754    New England Patriots Football.gif    2000–2019    219    64    0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers    2020–2022    32    18    0
2    ^ Brett Favre[2]    186    112    0    .624    Atlanta Falcons    1991    0    0    0
Green Bay Packers Football.gif    1992–2007    160    93    0
New York Jets    2008    9    7    0
Minnesota Vikings    2009–2010    17    12    0
^ Peyton Manning[3]    186    79    0    .702    Indianapolis Colts Football.gif    1998–2011    141    67    0
Denver Broncos    2012–2015    45    12    0
4    ‡ Drew Brees[4]    172    114    0    .601    San Diego Chargers    2001–2005    30    28    0
New Orleans Saints Football.gif    2006–2020    142    86    0
5    ‡ Ben Roethlisberger[5]

ALL GREAT LEADERS!

I’m not sure Brett Favre or Ben Roethlisberger were the “best leaders.” Nor Aaron Rodgers. They were supremely talented and had sufficient help.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #409 on: June 05, 2023, 12:42:22 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on June 05, 2023, 08:31:17 AM
Jasn is rocketing his way up the leaderboard on best poster status.

Dipshit says what?
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #410 on: June 05, 2023, 12:42:34 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:38:23 PM
It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.

Archie Manning's W-L record and failure to play in the playoff game has probably kept him out of the HOF.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #411 on: June 05, 2023, 12:44:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:40:51 PM
Who said W-L alone was determinative? No one. Except you, so you could argue against it.

You’ve gone down that avenue pretty hard in the past.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #412 on: June 05, 2023, 12:44:12 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:42:22 PM
Dipshit says what?

Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:37:37 PM
Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #413 on: June 05, 2023, 12:45:06 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:42:34 PM
Archie Manning's W-L record and failure to play in the playoff game has probably kept him out of the HOF.

Archie was talented, he just wasn’t great. I do believe that some quarterbacks can be ruined by a bad environment. Most can, I would think.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #414 on: June 05, 2023, 12:45:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:44:02 PM
You’ve gone down that avenue pretty hard in the past.

I've mentioned a lot of "avenues" where JFC has been lacking his 2 years in the league.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #415 on: June 05, 2023, 12:46:08 PM »
PAMan wants people to believe he hasn’t strongly backed the “only wins and losses matter for a quarterback” narrative.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #416 on: June 05, 2023, 12:47:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:45:38 PM
I've mentioned a lot of "avenues" where JFC AND THE CHICAGO BEARS AS A WHOLE has been lacking his 2 years in the league.

Fixed it for you.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #417 on: June 05, 2023, 12:47:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:45:06 PM
Archie was talented, he just wasn’t great. I do believe that some quarterbacks can be ruined by a bad environment. Most can, I would think.

He was a great QB playing for really bad teams. Was a Pro-Bowler when that actually meant something.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #418 on: June 05, 2023, 12:48:30 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:46:08 PM
PAMan wants people to believe he hasn’t strongly backed the “only wins and losses matter for a quarterback” narrative.

Chump edit: This is true.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #419 on: June 05, 2023, 12:49:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
Fixed it for you.

I think that is true too.
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