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Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.

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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #405 on: June 05, 2023, 12:38:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:37:37 PM
Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.

Custard should move this to the Tempo Strawman Thread.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #406 on: June 05, 2023, 12:38:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:35:18 PM
First, there are plenty of mindless stats out there. Second, no one here has said that W-L is the end all of stats or completely on the QB. But we all know that it is out there. One example is Archie Manning. Had a terrible W-L record because he was on terrible teams. Acknowledged to be a great QB but he is not in the HOF is he?

It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #407 on: June 05, 2023, 12:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:38:23 PM
It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.

Who said W-L alone was determinative? No one. Except you, so you could argue against it.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #408 on: June 05, 2023, 12:42:00 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on June 05, 2023, 08:26:48 AM
W-L is not a overrated stat for qb's!

A lot fo the w-l is also decided by LEADERSHIP QUALITIES

QB'S who have great W-L records were all great LEADERS in the locker room.

top 5
‡ Tom Brady[1]    251    82    0    .754    New England Patriots Football.gif    2000–2019    219    64    0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers    2020–2022    32    18    0
2    ^ Brett Favre[2]    186    112    0    .624    Atlanta Falcons    1991    0    0    0
Green Bay Packers Football.gif    1992–2007    160    93    0
New York Jets    2008    9    7    0
Minnesota Vikings    2009–2010    17    12    0
^ Peyton Manning[3]    186    79    0    .702    Indianapolis Colts Football.gif    1998–2011    141    67    0
Denver Broncos    2012–2015    45    12    0
4    ‡ Drew Brees[4]    172    114    0    .601    San Diego Chargers    2001–2005    30    28    0
New Orleans Saints Football.gif    2006–2020    142    86    0
5    ‡ Ben Roethlisberger[5]

ALL GREAT LEADERS!

I’m not sure Brett Favre or Ben Roethlisberger were the “best leaders.” Nor Aaron Rodgers. They were supremely talented and had sufficient help.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #409 on: June 05, 2023, 12:42:22 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on June 05, 2023, 08:31:17 AM
Jasn is rocketing his way up the leaderboard on best poster status.

Dipshit says what?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #410 on: June 05, 2023, 12:42:34 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:38:23 PM
It’s really nice of you to help me make my point. You’re good at this.

Archie Manning's W-L record and failure to play in the playoff game has probably kept him out of the HOF.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #411 on: June 05, 2023, 12:44:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:40:51 PM
Who said W-L alone was determinative? No one. Except you, so you could argue against it.

You’ve gone down that avenue pretty hard in the past.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #412 on: June 05, 2023, 12:44:12 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:42:22 PM
Dipshit says what?

Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:37:37 PM
Back to David Woodley. There isn’t a single person alive (besides maybe his mom) that thinks David Woodley was a high-level starting quarterback because he had a stellar record as a starter.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #413 on: June 05, 2023, 12:45:06 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:42:34 PM
Archie Manning's W-L record and failure to play in the playoff game has probably kept him out of the HOF.

Archie was talented, he just wasn’t great. I do believe that some quarterbacks can be ruined by a bad environment. Most can, I would think.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #414 on: June 05, 2023, 12:45:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:44:02 PM
You’ve gone down that avenue pretty hard in the past.

I've mentioned a lot of "avenues" where JFC has been lacking his 2 years in the league.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #415 on: June 05, 2023, 12:46:08 PM »
PAMan wants people to believe he hasn’t strongly backed the “only wins and losses matter for a quarterback” narrative.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #416 on: June 05, 2023, 12:47:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2023, 12:45:38 PM
I've mentioned a lot of "avenues" where JFC AND THE CHICAGO BEARS AS A WHOLE has been lacking his 2 years in the league.

Fixed it for you.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #417 on: June 05, 2023, 12:47:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:45:06 PM
Archie was talented, he just wasn’t great. I do believe that some quarterbacks can be ruined by a bad environment. Most can, I would think.

He was a great QB playing for really bad teams. Was a Pro-Bowler when that actually meant something.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #418 on: June 05, 2023, 12:48:30 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:46:08 PM
PAMan wants people to believe he hasn’t strongly backed the “only wins and losses matter for a quarterback” narrative.

Chump edit: This is true.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #419 on: June 05, 2023, 12:49:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 05, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
Fixed it for you.

I think that is true too.
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