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Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.

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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #210 on: June 01, 2023, 12:15:06 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on June 01, 2023, 11:47:22 AM
Laughable.

Crazy shit.
We went the whole season without any PG it turned out who could actually pass, shoot the 3, or run a basic PnR.
My God- play fucking Rodgers and backup with DGL and Moretti and we are still way ahead. 
We are a ranked #26 in Torvak without a PG.

https://www.barttorvik.com/rosters24.php?team=Illinois&year=2023
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #211 on: June 01, 2023, 12:15:37 PM »
If we'd gone 0/3 and were looking at a terrible roster I can see losing it a little bit, but..
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #212 on: June 01, 2023, 12:18:50 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 01, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
If we'd gone 0/3 and were looking at a terrible roster I can see losing it a little bit, but..

We were ranked 50 on Torvak at end of season. We have added a lot of decent players.
Find anybody to bring the ball up without tripping over themselves ,and run a a PnR,and shoot enough that they have to guard him and we should be Top 20.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #213 on: June 01, 2023, 12:24:37 PM »
I’m seeing a lot of people acting like we should’ve cut ties with RayJ a couple weeks ago, or that we should've taken Caleb Love who would've been a true, true disaster.

I’m sure that’d have gone over well.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2023, 12:56:41 PM by spark mandrill »
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #214 on: June 01, 2023, 01:21:48 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 01, 2023, 12:08:28 PM
It’s legitimately insane given that while it sucks, it’s also coming on the heels of two very very positive announcements for the program.
It's unhinged. I would've considered firing Underwood after season 2 and at halftime of the Loyola game and I'm...not sure he's even approaching the hot seat currently?

We have a 2nd year Harris, the one freshman,  Morretti, and multiple wings who can temporarily handle the ball. We should get someone else in who's stable but it's a tourney roster as is. Hell, if you roll out Shannon, Harmon, Domask, Rogers, and Hawkins you've got 5 guys who can at least function as ball handlers short term.

We have a full 2-deep and no team in the conference can press a full game. We'll be fine.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #215 on: June 01, 2023, 01:32:48 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on June 01, 2023, 01:21:48 PM
It's unhinged. I would've considered firing Underwood after season 2 and at halftime of the Loyola game and I'm...not sure he's even approaching the hot seat currently?

We have a 2nd year Harris, the one freshman,  Morretti, and multiple wings who can temporarily handle the ball. We should get someone else in who's stable but it's a tourney roster as is. Hell, if you roll out Shannon, Harmon, Domask, Rogers, and Hawkins you've got 5 guys who can at least function as ball handlers short term.

We have a full 2-deep and no team in the conference can press a full game. We'll be fine.

It's crazy talk. We added a lot of key pieces. Ton of legit depth.
Play Rodgers and Harmon at point if we have to.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #216 on: June 01, 2023, 01:38:42 PM »
I will say, if Josh Whitman really would consider Underwood's seat even one degree warmer for getting Shannon and Hawkins back and not getting Dennis, then Whitman isn't the right guy at all.

I sincerely doubt he thinks that way, though.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #217 on: June 01, 2023, 01:48:22 PM »
No, I'd sure hope not. If the season goes off the rails, fine, but multiple tourneys in a row and having your 2 best players back with some decent prospects incoming? Lol why?
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #218 on: June 01, 2023, 02:11:37 PM »
Well, we got a point guard.

Looks like he was pretty solid as a freshman at Temple and pretty bad as a sophomore.  Then transferred to Iowa State and tore his achilles before he played.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremiah-williams-3.html
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #219 on: June 01, 2023, 02:19:59 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 01, 2023, 02:11:37 PM
Well, we got a point guard.

Looks like he was pretty solid as a freshman at Temple and pretty bad as a sophomore.  Then transferred to Iowa State and tore his achilles before he played.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremiah-williams-3.html

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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #220 on: June 01, 2023, 02:26:43 PM »
Welp, let's hope he gets the full Fletch treatment on that Achilles. That's a tough injury to rehab and come back to 100%.
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #221 on: June 01, 2023, 02:28:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 01, 2023, 02:11:37 PM
Well, we got a point guard.

Looks like he was pretty solid as a freshman at Temple and pretty bad as a sophomore.  Then transferred to Iowa State and tore his achilles before he played.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremiah-williams-3.html

I don't know if bad is word I would use.   His efficiency ratings for both years on both offense and defense were over 100.   That's solid. Not a 3 baller or free throw shooter but does the rest just fine.  Key will be coming off an injury and layoff. 
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #222 on: June 01, 2023, 02:35:09 PM »
I'm pretty comfortable saying that someone who shot 42/23/63 had a bad year.  People last year acted like Hawkins, Epps, Clark, Harris etc. were horrible shooters and they were all considerably better in terms of shooting efficiency.  His ORtg his last year playing would've been 9th on our team last season and our fans acted like it was the worst offensive team in history.  His TS% and eFG would've been 10th (excluding Lieb).

He was notably better as a freshman though, and have heard he's a plus defender.

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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #223 on: June 01, 2023, 02:38:38 PM »
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Re: Hawkins/TSJ/PG thread 1 week out.
« Reply #224 on: June 01, 2023, 02:45:56 PM »
If Williams can get healthy he is decent backup.
They are supposedly going to crean someone and add another guard.
My guess is Moretti is gone.
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