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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2685 on: August 31, 2022, 12:09:00 PM »
Sounding like Bailey's new thing is tapping into frustration over UofI's admission policies for the Commie Bastards' offspring. He was at it again this AM apparently on The FaceBook.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2686 on: August 31, 2022, 01:19:16 PM »
Sounds like it’s working.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2687 on: August 31, 2022, 01:38:41 PM »
Sounds like it’s working.

I guess we will see in November if it worked.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2688 on: August 31, 2022, 04:41:37 PM »
Love your stuff but I graduated in 1990. At that point my tuition and fees were still around $2000 a year, I had a $2000/year scholarship and so the check I wrote the school was some trivial number. I got into grad school and my plan was to pay for it myself (knowing my parents would bail me out if the shit hit the fan), when I got a TA job and had a tuition waiver, I was set. Graduated with $1200 in credit card debt which was my last year's spring break trip, paid off with my signing bonus.

There was a brain fart in my comment somewhere. Based on memory, he tuition & fees about 20 years before you were 1000 a year. Add room and board, books, etc, he total was about 2000. My recollection is it was closer to 4000 a year for everything by the early 90s. Not sure why I typed what I did. 8000 doubled is not 80000.

I did some checking. I can't access uiuc's records, but my memory might be faulty. It appears the average cost for a public University circa 1970 was about half what I said. So total cost of 4000 for 4 years? I was also working 60 hours a week in the summer for a buck and a half per.

The current costs are accurate. It is more than 15000 just for tuition & frees. That does not cover room and board, books, drinking, pizza, condoms, and other expenses.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2689 on: August 31, 2022, 04:50:29 PM »
That does not cover room and board, books, drinking, pizza, condoms, and other expenses.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2690 on: September 05, 2022, 08:04:02 AM »
Did these all make it into the signed Illinois Safe-T bill ?



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They hate you.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2691 on: September 05, 2022, 09:00:45 AM »
Did these all make it into the signed Illinois Safe-T bill ?



Who's safety ?
They hate you.

From what I have read, the scare mongering is something else on this one. Lazy State's Attorneys are now required to show that the person is a risk as opposed to it being assumed for cash bail purposes. For a few offenses, that is already the case.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2692 on: September 05, 2022, 09:54:02 AM »
From what I have read, the scare mongering is something else on this one. Lazy State's Attorneys are now required to show that the person is a risk as opposed to it being assumed for cash bail purposes. For a few offenses, that is already the case.
Scare mongering is something else.
I found out Thursday that I may be viewed as a threat to democracy, so I've been trying to watch my ps and qs ever since. I may have slipped a couple of times tho.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2693 on: September 05, 2022, 10:31:59 AM »
From what I have read, the scare mongering is something else on this one. Lazy State's Attorneys are now required to show that the person is a risk as opposed to it being assumed for cash bail purposes. For a few offenses, that is already the case.
Straight-up agitprop lying like most of what's in these stupid newspapers some rich bozo is sending out. A charge doesn't become "non-detainable" because it's not an automatic detention. If the prosecutor can't make a clear and convincing showing [to an ex-prosecutor judge, in most cases] that someone charged with agg. battery, kidnapping, or 2nd degree homicide should be detained with bail pending trial, either the person shouldn't be locked up or you need a new prosecutor.

In almost any other context, conservatives understand that the state can't just lock people up for fun. But if it's predominantly black men and drug-using sinners in the mind's eye, suddenly authoritarianism looks rather tempting.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2694 on: September 05, 2022, 10:42:58 AM »
Harvard Law graduates either have a lot of debt or no debt - based on if they decided to go work for a big firm or do non-profit/public sector work.
with a slice of family wealth.

So forgiving a loan of a Harvard Law graduate is probably fine, the ones who need it really deserve it, and the ones who don't deserve it don't have a loan.

Even considering it's a non-secured loan which is a great deal, if you have a lot of money the interest rate is higher than on say, real estate, better to pay off the loan and take debt on real estate.
I can't imagine Harvard puts a lot of people with 6 figure debt into non-profit/public sector work where they weren't already lined up for 10-year PLSF discharge. There's a 0% chance it's "thousands" (Tribe is a moron) and even if it were, 10k is nothing on six figure debt, probably the interest that accrued on 1L debt before bar admission that never should've been charged in the first place.

I came around to loving the policy, but it has nothing to do with helping lawyers or doctors, and particularly not those from Harvard.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2695 on: September 05, 2022, 11:34:16 AM »
There was a brain fart in my comment somewhere. Based on memory, he tuition & fees about 20 years before you were 1000 a year. Add room and board, books, etc, he total was about 2000. My recollection is it was closer to 4000 a year for everything by the early 90s. Not sure why I typed what I did. 8000 doubled is not 80000.

I did some checking. I can't access uiuc's records, but my memory might be faulty. It appears the average cost for a public University circa 1970 was about half what I said. So total cost of 4000 for 4 years? I was also working 60 hours a week in the summer for a buck and a half per.

The current costs are accurate. It is more than 15000 just for tuition & frees. That does not cover room and board, books, drinking, pizza, condoms, and other expenses.

Remember the Illinois State Scholarship Commission?  It administered nine different financial aid programs for college students, starting in the late 50s.  Good program.  Helped many students throughout the state pay their tuition and fees at the time.  I think most of its programs were curtailed or sharply cut back in the early 80s when the feds phased down funding for state educational block grants. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2696 on: September 05, 2022, 12:04:52 PM »
Remember the Illinois State Scholarship Commission?  It administered nine different financial aid programs for college students, starting in the late 50s.  Good program.  Helped many students throughout the state pay their tuition and fees at the time.  I think most of its programs were curtailed or sharply cut back in the early 80s when the feds phased down funding for state educational block grants.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2697 on: September 05, 2022, 12:44:22 PM »
Scare mongering is something else.
I found out Thursday that I may be viewed as a threat to democracy, so I've been trying to watch my ps and qs ever since. I may have slipped a couple of times tho.

I didn't realize you were part of the January 6th insurrection or plots to kidnap the MI governor or threats on local election officials, etc. etc. Maybe we can get Robb out of retirement to do an expose!

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2698 on: September 05, 2022, 01:07:29 PM »
I didn't realize you were part of the January 6th insurrection or plots to kidnap the MI governor or threats on local election officials, etc. etc. Maybe we can get Robb out of retirement to do an expose!

“Fascists. They are fascists. Some of them, not all of them. But some of them, but they’re getting closer and closer....”
I didn't do any of those, but questioning an election like Stacey Abrams did, or Jamie Raskin did, or Amy Klobuchar did or condoning violence like Kamala Harris did, or Chuck Schumer did, or Nancy Pelosi did, or Maxine Waters did shouldn't necessarily get someone labeled a threat to democracy.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2699 on: September 05, 2022, 01:42:43 PM »
Abrams and Trump both refused to concede.

Abrams acknowledged that Kemp won according to the rules in place. Trump claimed he won in a landslide.

Abrams claimed systemic voter suppression and cited evidence; iirc, there is a pending lawsuit. Trump claimed massive voter fraud without evidence.

Abrams's basis is that not enough people were allowed to vote; Trump's is that too many people voted.

Yep. Equivalency.  /s

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