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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2670 on: August 04, 2022, 08:51:34 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2671 on: August 04, 2022, 08:56:20 PM »
Not sure. I bet they’re available somewhere. I still have my Virtue Signaler one from Election 2020.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2672 on: August 05, 2022, 11:14:16 AM »
Nothing wrong with a pithy aphorism.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2673 on: August 05, 2022, 11:46:31 AM »
Make sure your Peacock is paid up PAThey/Them !

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2674 on: August 05, 2022, 12:13:52 PM »
Quote from: IlliniGolf on August 05, 2022, 11:46:31 AM
Make sure your Peacock is paid up PAThey/Them !



I've only tuned in to The Peacock for The Office and the first 11am Sunday baseball game. Rest of my time is spent on The YouPorn..
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2675 on: August 08, 2022, 01:25:58 AM »
Smurph !

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2676 on: August 30, 2022, 12:39:24 PM »
Didn't quite know where to put this...

https://capitolfax.com/2022/08/30/bailey-wants-90-percent-of-university-of-illinois-enrollment-reserved-for-illinois-residents/

I do not see how the Crain's blurb re population loss matters to this specific issue.  Especially looking at this year's acceptance rates, which hit a lot of the AggressiveSon's classmates hard.

https://www.admissions.illinois.edu/apply/freshman/admit-rate

But yeah, let's keep admitting the Bourgeois Commie Chinese offspring and teaching them how to stifle dissent within their own country.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2677 on: August 30, 2022, 01:09:29 PM »
Bailey is an idiot.

I dunno if this belongs here either. When I enrolled in LAS at UI over 5 decades ago, tuition and fees were 500 per semester/ 1000 a year. Room and board, books, and so on amounted to another thousand. A 4 year education cost 8 thousand, for residents. Seasonal summer jobs did not not pay much per hour, but a guy could work a lot of hours from Memorial to Labor Day. Depending on family income, there were also Illinois state scholarships and pell grants.

By 1990, it had roughly doubled to about 80 thousand for 4 years. Despite low inflation, it was up to about 120 thousand a few years ago.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2678 on: August 30, 2022, 01:57:34 PM »
Yes, he is an idiot.

From today's NYT email I get for whatever reason:

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A poorer generation
If you wanted to find a signature example of somebody who did not need to have his student loans forgiven, you might want to consider me.

I graduated from college in 1994 with about $26,000 of debt (in the equivalent of today’s dollars). I hated repaying it. It was a meaningful amount of money for a young journalist, and writing the checks was a monthly reminder of the frustrations that my parents and I felt over dealing with the Kafkaesque bureaucracy of the financial aid system.

If President Biden’s debt-relief plan had been enacted in the 1990s, I would have qualified, and I would have eagerly signed up. In hindsight, however, it would have been pretty hard to justify forgiving any of my debt. I eventually paid it off, without altering any big life plans. Over time, my income rose, as is the norm for college graduates.

Critics of Biden’s plan have made similar arguments since he announced it last week. Why, they ask, is the federal government giving a bailout to white-collar professionals, especially in today’s highly unequal economy? And how is it fair to people who have already paid off their loans?

These are complex questions, and thoughtful people will disagree about them, as the economist Arindrajit Dube pointed out last week. (My colleague Jim Tankersley writes about the passionate debate among economists here.) But for skeptics of loan forgiveness, I do think it’s worth grappling with the ways that the U.S. economy has changed over the past few decades — since members of Generation X, like me, and baby boomers were in their 20s and 30s.

Not your parents’ economy
For one thing, college debt has increased in recent decades. The average borrower who graduated from a four-year public college emerged with $26,700 in debt in 2020, according to the College Board. That was up 18 percent from the average level in 2000 (again, adjusted for inflation).

But the bigger change is not in these loan amounts. It’s in the broader economic conditions facing young workers. Over the past two decades, the U.S. economy has become much harsher for adults under 40.

This chart shows how incomes have changed for different age groups since the late 1980s. As you can see, a typical 40-year-old today earns only slightly more than a typical 40-year-old three decades ago, while typical seniors have much higher incomes than their parents’ generation did at the same age:


Chart shows median family income, adjusted for inflation. | Source: Federal Reserve
The changes in wealth are even starker. Americans in their 20s, 30s and even 40s are poorer today than younger adults were three decades ago:


Chart shows median net worth, adjusted for inflation. | Source: Federal Reserve
A study by William Gale of the Brookings Institution and three other researchers concluded, “As for the millennial generation, their median wealth in 2016 was lower than the wealth of any similarly aged cohort between 1989 and 2007.”

That’s a remarkable — and grim — development, given how much G.D.P., stock prices and home values have grown over the same period. How could this be? One factor is that stocks and homes have risen so much since the 1980s that younger adults can’t buy into those markets as easily as their parents and grandparents could.

Many millennials also had the bad fortune of graduating into an economy weakened by the financial crisis of 2007-9 and the Great Recession that followed. Many companies have not expanded or raised wages much, creating fewer opportunities early in people’s careers.

Gale and his co-authors — Hilary Gelfond, Jason Fichtner and Benjamin Harris — note that millennials are also more racially diverse than earlier generations. People of color, especially Black Americans, have historically accumulated wealth less rapidly than white Americans for a complex mix of reasons. Among those reasons is intentional discrimination from the government during past decades that kept Black families from receiving subsidized mortgages, owning homes and passing down wealth to later generations, which could then build on itself.

Susan Dynarski, a Harvard economist who specializes in education issues and who grew up in a working-class family, was long skeptical about proposals to forgive college debt. She thought that people who had gone to college generally didn’t need government help, given the huge value of a college degree. But the emerging data has changed her mind, as she explains in a Times Opinion essay published this morning.

The people struggling to repay their loans tend to be those who attended a few semesters of classes at a public college or for-profit vocational programs and didn’t graduate, she explains. Often, these borrowers suffered because of funding cuts at community colleges or because of the government’s failure to regulate for-profit programs. And they suffered because of how weak the economy has been for most Americans over the past two decades.

Biden’s debt-relief plan focuses its benefits on these middle-class and lower-income borrowers rather than on white-collar professionals who are doing just fine, as another recent article by Jim Tankersley explained.

The case against
These factors obviously don’t end the debate over Biden’s plan. There are still arguments against it.

The plan will benefit some young professionals who really don’t need help but will gladly accept it, as I would have. The plan will also do nothing for the many Americans who never attended college (although Biden has signed or proposed several other big policies aimed at the working class). There are also thorny questions about whether debt cancellation encourages colleges to keep raising their prices, under the assumption that more debt cancellation may follow in the future (as Megan McArdle of The Washington Post has argued).

Yet before anybody tells millennials to toughen up and follow the same path as previous generations, it’s at least worth remembering that they have never really had that option. Their economic prospects have been worse than those of their parents and grandparents. Biden’s plan won’t erase that reality, but it will narrow the gap for millions of people.

Yeah, the charts are not showing up. Google it Big10Men.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2679 on: August 30, 2022, 02:37:24 PM »
Harvard has an endowment of about $50 gazillion.
Thankfully the Harvard Law students will see some debt relief.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2680 on: August 30, 2022, 02:42:37 PM »
Quote from: Mn on August 30, 2022, 02:37:24 PM
Harvard has an endowment of about $50 gazillion.
Thankfully the Harvard Law students will see some debt relief.



If it is "thousands," then there is a problem at Harvard Law.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2681 on: August 30, 2022, 03:35:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 30, 2022, 12:39:24 PM
Didn't quite know where to put this...

https://capitolfax.com/2022/08/30/bailey-wants-90-percent-of-university-of-illinois-enrollment-reserved-for-illinois-residents/

I do not see how the Crain's blurb re population loss matters to this specific issue.  Especially looking at this year's acceptance rates, which hit a lot of the AggressiveSon's classmates hard.

https://www.admissions.illinois.edu/apply/freshman/admit-rate

But yeah, let's keep admitting the Bourgeois Commie Chinese offspring and teaching them how to stifle dissent within their own country.

Bailey, after he loses the election in November, may want to work with Pritzker next year to secure more state funding for all universities and colleges in the state.  He’s been a no-show during state budget deliberations.  Much easier to send out press releases with dog whistles.   

My favorite comment on the post:
- Michelle Flaherty - Tuesday, Aug 30, 22 @ 11:07 am:
“Upon further review, Bailey’s plan doesn’t go far enough.
Minimum 90 percent of the football team and basketball team need to be from Illinois.
These non-Illinoisans are stealing our essence.
Illini Pure.”
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2682 on: August 30, 2022, 04:45:33 PM »
This is just another thank you to the leftist indoctrination machine
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2683 on: August 30, 2022, 10:27:48 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 30, 2022, 01:09:29 PM
Bailey is an idiot.

I dunno if this belongs here either. When I enrolled in LAS at UI over 5 decades ago, tuition and fees were 500 per semester/ 1000 a year. Room and board, books, and so on amounted to another thousand. A 4 year education cost 8 thousand, for residents. Seasonal summer jobs did not not pay much per hour, but a guy could work a lot of hours from Memorial to Labor Day. Depending on family income, there were also Illinois state scholarships and pell grants.

By 1990, it had roughly doubled to about 80 thousand for 4 years. Despite low inflation, it was up to about 120 thousand a few years ago.

Love your stuff but I graduated in 1990. At that point my tuition and fees were still around $2000 a year, I had a $2000/year scholarship and so the check I wrote the school was some trivial number. I got into grad school and my plan was to pay for it myself (knowing my parents would bail me out if the shit hit the fan), when I got a TA job and had a tuition waiver, I was set. Graduated with $1200 in credit card debt which was my last year's spring break trip, paid off with my signing bonus.
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« Reply #2684 on: August 30, 2022, 10:35:51 PM »
Quote from: Mn on August 30, 2022, 02:37:24 PM
Harvard has an endowment of about $50 gazillion.
Thankfully the Harvard Law students will see some debt relief.



Harvard Law graduates either have a lot of debt or no debt - based on if they decided to go work for a big firm or do non-profit/public sector work.
with a slice of family wealth.

So forgiving a loan of a Harvard Law graduate is probably fine, the ones who need it really deserve it, and the ones who don't deserve it don't have a loan.

Even considering it's a non-secured loan which is a great deal, if you have a lot of money the interest rate is higher than on say, real estate, better to pay off the loan and take debt on real estate.
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