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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2655 on: August 03, 2022, 04:38:43 PM »
And the left does not actually "want" to let hardened criminals back out on the street. Yet effectively that is what is happening and the right wing exploits that for political gain.

Of course, you miss the point, and act just like the Marxists who say they don't really want this or that.

if treating people with mental health and behavioral problems  like criminals is the net effect of right wing, law and order, tough on crime policies; then that is effectively what they want.

I was responding to a boilerplate article that blames Soros supported prosecutors for being soft on crime. I can turn Fox News on and hear that same story over and over about the repeat offender who was put back out on the street and committed a violent crime. Yes, that is a problem too.

There is a middle way. Treat hardened criminals like criminals and treat people with mental illnesses like people with illnesses. That means changing the way we do and fund certain things. 911 doesn't dispatch police to put out a fire. Why would they send them to handle a mental health crisis?

Why arrest people for being addicted to drugs?

You make it sound so simple to delineate these things. Lots of people addicted to drugs actually get arrested for committing crimes and then simultaneously get busted for having/dealing hard drugs. There are some good testing grounds in the US for disregarding drug use in and of itself for the most part. It isn’t solving the crime/arrest/incarceration issue.

There are more resources available for mental health issues than ever before. I’ve driven by a dozen or more billboards for *free* mental health and/or drug addiction resources just today. Even in rural areas.

I don’t think most people want to lock up otherwise law abiding drug users. The goal is to get the fentanyl laced shit that is hooking otherwise healthy people and ruining their lives. Lots of people who use drugs aren’t mentally ill, they just like the high and get hooked. It becomes a vicious cycle. Oversimplifying the problem/solution, as you’re wont to do, doesn’t do the issue justice.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2656 on: August 03, 2022, 06:46:52 PM »
You make it sound so simple to delineate these things. Lots of people addicted to drugs actually get arrested for committing crimes and then simultaneously get busted for having/dealing hard drugs. There are some good testing grounds in the US for disregarding drug use in and of itself for the most part. It isn’t solving the crime/arrest/incarceration issue.

There are more resources available for mental health issues than ever before. I’ve driven by a dozen or more billboards for *free* mental health and/or drug addiction resources just today. Even in rural areas.

I don’t think most people want to lock up otherwise law abiding drug users. The goal is to get the fentanyl laced shit that is hooking otherwise healthy people and ruining their lives. Lots of people who use drugs aren’t mentally ill, they just like the high and get hooked. It becomes a vicious cycle. Oversimplifying the problem/solution, as you’re wont to do, doesn’t do the issue justice.

What most people want makes very little difference.

Pointing out there is a middle way is not the same as saying it is easy to find it. If it were easy; we would have found it long ago.

Mental health and drug addiction intersect at times, but  those are two different issues.

Say what you want, when someone has a mental health issue, 911 sends the police, not a trained  psychologist. I don't really blame the cops if they fuck it up.

Also, we criminalized drug addiction long before fentanyl was an issue. And lots of people got addicted to opioids because they were prescribed oxy and similar shit.

Recreational drug use should not be illegal. It is less of a problem when safe, natural substances can be legally acquired.

Another thing, drug free highs can be experienced via concentration meditation. Related to that, there are approaches to rehabilitation that actually work and don't involve revenge or punishment.

Anyway, defund the police rhetoric is not useful. Neither is blaming Soros funded prosecutors.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2022, 06:51:04 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2657 on: August 04, 2022, 12:57:10 AM »
Drug addiction is a crime? Come on man.

Good luck getting everyone on board for the meditation high. 

There’s the pie in the sky stuff and then there’s reality.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2658 on: August 04, 2022, 07:00:13 AM »
Drug addiction is a crime? Come on man.

Good luck getting everyone on board for the meditation high. 

There’s the pie in the sky stuff and then there’s reality.

Can you imagine Golf if he meditated instead of medicated?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2659 on: August 04, 2022, 07:22:50 AM »
One would think that someone at a major university could design a fast computer.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2660 on: August 04, 2022, 09:49:35 AM »
Drug addiction is a crime? Come on man.

Good luck getting everyone on board for the meditation high. 

There’s the pie in the sky stuff and then there’s reality.

Did we stop arresting people for possession of drugs?

Bliss is just a temporary side effect of concentration meditation. It is just a better way to get high than using drugs.

A lot of people hear meditation and think it means practicing yoga postures.or being a contortionist.  Not. Buddhist meditation can be done sitting or sometimes walking and has next to nothing to do with yoga postures.

As an aside, Buddhist meditation and martial arts seem to complement each other and are sometimes practiced side by side, especially in East Asia, even though they have different origins.

There is actually no single word that even translates as meditation. There are different disciplines; such as virtue cultivations, mindful awareness, and fixed concentration.  Insight meditation combines those with various traditional rituals and tailors a practice to an individuals needs and abilities. 

In the real world, most Asian Buddhists don't do this. The lay members do devotional chants and pray to celestial Buddhas to be reborn in heaven. The monks and priests do ritual blessings for them. Traditional monks go on retreats to meditate.

Buddhist style mindfulness meditation is popular in the west; where it is generally viewed more  as a self help technique than part of a religion.  Western Buddhists generally hone in on the practices and often  view the beliefs as symbolism, window dressing,  or cultural baggage. 
  ...

Praying to an external divinity for salvation strikes me as a bit pie in the sky; though there is some value in faith.

The benefits of Buddhist meditation / cultivation practices are real and down to earth. However, the practices are time consuming and challenging.  I am dubious that the whole shebang ever catches on mainstream, but some pursue it, and it is an excellent model for self reformation and mental health. 

*virtue cultivation: development of vigor, empathy, compassion, tolerance, equanimity.

*mindfulness: open presence, moment to moment awareness. Enhances visuospatial cognition, artistic ability, sensitivity to others.

*fixed concentration: focus on a single object. Directed attention, sustained focus, feelings of joy and blissfulness arise before a transition to calm stillness. Enhances general intelligence, cognitive ability related to abstract reasoning, reading comprehension, and so on. Probably not a good practice for people with untreated epilepsy -- may induce seizures.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2661 on: August 04, 2022, 10:54:03 AM »
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/34346379/brittney-griner-found-guilty-drug-possession-smuggling

9 years. Guess she shouldn’t break the law in other countries. America isn’t so bad huh. Maybe she should kneel over there about it being unfair. Lol, no remorse for her at all.

The sad part is the Biden administration will swap a fucking basketball player for a known and convicted terrorist Viktor 'Merchant of Death' Bout. Keep her. All while we’ve already had another American rotting over there since 2018. Nothing but a publicity stunt by the administration.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2662 on: August 04, 2022, 11:15:07 AM »
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/34346379/brittney-griner-found-guilty-drug-possession-smuggling

9 years. Guess she shouldn’t break the law in other countries. America isn’t so bad huh. Maybe she should kneel over there about it being unfair. Lol, no remorse for her at all.

The sad part is the Biden administration will swap a fucking basketball player for a known and convicted terrorist Viktor 'Merchant of Death' Bout. Keep her. All while we’ve already had another American rotting over there since 2018. Nothing but a publicity stunt by the administration.

Good to see you aren't letting the Marine being held over there who is accused of being a spying hold back your hot takes you got from whatever website. Glad Trump got him out!
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2663 on: August 04, 2022, 11:36:01 AM »
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/34346379/brittney-griner-found-guilty-drug-possession-smuggling

9 years. Guess she shouldn’t break the law in other countries. America isn’t so bad huh.

 We are not as bad as Russia! Raise a banner.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2664 on: August 04, 2022, 12:14:54 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2665 on: August 04, 2022, 12:33:44 PM »
Did we stop arresting people for possession of drugs?

Bliss is just a temporary side effect of concentration meditation. It is just a better way to get high than using drugs.

A lot of people hear meditation and think it means practicing yoga postures.or being a contortionist.  Not. Buddhist meditation can be done sitting or sometimes walking and has next to nothing to do with yoga postures.

As an aside, Buddhist meditation and martial arts seem to complement each other and are sometimes practiced side by side, especially in East Asia, even though they have different origins.

There is actually no single word that even translates as meditation. There are different disciplines; such as virtue cultivations, mindful awareness, and fixed concentration.  Insight meditation combines those with various traditional rituals and tailors a practice to an individuals needs and abilities. 

In the real world, most Asian Buddhists don't do this. The lay members do devotional chants and pray to celestial Buddhas to be reborn in heaven. The monks and priests do ritual blessings for them. Traditional monks go on retreats to meditate.

Buddhist style mindfulness meditation is popular in the west; where it is generally viewed more  as a self help technique than part of a religion.  Western Buddhists generally hone in on the practices and often  view the beliefs as symbolism, window dressing,  or cultural baggage. 
  ...

Praying to an external divinity for salvation strikes me as a bit pie in the sky; though there is some value in faith.

The benefits of Buddhist meditation / cultivation practices are real and down to earth. However, the practices are time consuming and challenging.  I am dubious that the whole shebang ever catches on mainstream, but some pursue it, and it is an excellent model for self reformation and mental health. 

*virtue cultivation: development of vigor, empathy, compassion, tolerance, equanimity.

*mindfulness: open presence, moment to moment awareness. Enhances visuospatial cognition, artistic ability, sensitivity to others.

*fixed concentration: focus on a single object. Directed attention, sustained focus, feelings of joy and blissfulness arise before a transition to calm stillness. Enhances general intelligence, cognitive ability related to abstract reasoning, reading comprehension, and so on. Probably not a good practice for people with untreated epilepsy -- may induce seizures.

Agree meditation is a great thing. Problem is most people 35 and younger can’t go 15 mins without looking at TikTok, let alone take the time to meditate.
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« Reply #2666 on: August 04, 2022, 01:16:06 PM »
Agree meditation is a great thing. Problem is most people 35 and younger can’t go 15 mins without looking at TikTok, let alone take the time to meditate.

They will do martial arts though. Also, yoga postures, mudras (hand gestures), and devotional mantras if they see the short term benefits. Focus the body, the mind follows. The surprising thing is fixed concentration only requires 20 minutes a day for a couple weeks to see measurable results. Open presence can produce temporary results in one day.

People I know that are attracted  to the mental exercises are usually a little older, frequently face challenges, and wish they'd done it sooner.

I also have known some people that pursued prison ministries and got terrific results.
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« Reply #2667 on: August 04, 2022, 01:35:34 PM »
They will do martial arts though. Also, yoga postures, mudras (hand gestures), and devotional mantras if they see the short term benefits. Focus the body, the mind follows. The surprising thing is fixed concentration only requires 20 minutes a day for a couple weeks to see measurable results. Open presence can produce temporary results in one day.

People I know that are attracted  to the mental exercises are usually a little older, frequently face challenges, and wish they'd done it sooner.

I also have known some people that pursued prison ministries and got terrific results.

My wife taught yoga classes in Chicago for several years.  I asked her about yoga for prison inmates. 

She thought this article would be of interest:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2013-08-08-ct-met-prison-yoga-20130808-story.html

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« Reply #2668 on: August 04, 2022, 01:49:16 PM »
My wife taught yoga classes in Chicago for several years.  I asked her about yoga for prison inmates. 

She thought this article would be of interest:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2013-08-08-ct-met-prison-yoga-20130808-story.html

One of the most intriguing discussions I've  had was with a guy who was incorporating kindness and compassion cultivation into therapies for men with personality disorders. Studies have shown these practices stimulate the part of the brain related to empathy. Some of the Buddhist traditions wrap elaborate confession and repentance rituals  around them.
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