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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3600 on: June 11, 2023, 11:22:02 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 11, 2023, 09:12:04 AM
For the record. I’m not comparing this author to Candace Owens. He’s clearly a much deeper thinker. I’m just pointing out that some white people are super happy to trot out the OPINION of a black person when it supports their personal views, and say “see I’m right, because black people agree!”

Candace Owens once said Hitler was okay when he was a nationalist killing German Jews,  and went off the track when he went international.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3601 on: June 11, 2023, 11:23:31 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 11, 2023, 11:15:40 AM
I get that you are a taking a British black man's perspective out of context and misapplying it to the United States. He even specifically says the situation for people of African descent is different in England than the United States. The majority in Britain are immigrants from Africa; they are not descended from victims of the transatlantic slave trade.

The left needs to do a better job of recognizing that the black communities are not homogeneous blocs. Maybe the CRT models need to be objectively adjusted. I don't think they should be adjusted because they hurt your and Custard's feelings.

JFC, Nichi. What was the argument here? What is the best way to convince a Judge Judy that his view on transgendered people using the bathroom is wrong.  By calling him a dumb bigot or appealing to reason? The same logic applies to basically any other issue, including free shots, if you are serious about trying to change minds.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3602 on: June 11, 2023, 11:26:42 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 11, 2023, 11:17:23 AM
But the unwillingness to “own it,” is a barrier to convincing them. So it’s really at the heart of the issue.

The question was how to get around that. Is calling a Judge Judy a bigot the way to do it? I say "No." Spark and you apparently think otherwise.

I cited a person who disagreed with the two of you on how to win people over. Then Nichi went off on a tangent based on the differences between the situations in the UK and the US.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3603 on: June 11, 2023, 11:28:14 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 11:05:03 AM
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« Reply #3604 on: June 11, 2023, 11:38:56 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 11, 2023, 11:15:40 AM
I get that you are a taking a British black man's perspective out of context and misapplying it to the United States. He even specifically says the situation for people of African descent is different in England than the United States. The majority in Britain are immigrants from Africa; they are not descended from victims of the transatlantic slave trade.

The left needs to do a better job of recognizing that the black communities are not homogeneous blocs. Maybe the CRT models need to be objectively adjusted. I don't think they should be adjusted because they hurt your and Custard's feelings.

CRT doesn’t hurt my feelings.

I don’t believe we have to saddle ourselves with guilt and try to bring down white people in order to lift minorities or marginalized people up. It’s counterproductive and an enormous waste of energy.

I agree that the left needs to realize the black communities are not homogenous. There are plenty of evangelical conservative black communities (gasp!) in this area. Educated Africans come here and are successful at a much higher rate than African Americans. Whitey indentured the Chinese to build the railroads, but in 2023 one of the single biggest indicators for future success in the systemically racist US is to be born Asian. There are a lot of things worth looking at besides blaming Whitey for everything.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3605 on: June 11, 2023, 11:46:58 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 11, 2023, 09:54:00 AM
Then get to explaining. Your white guilt seems to be quite the burden.

I have never done a single solitary thing in my lifetime to oppress or hold anyone down. Anyone that thinks I’ve got ‘splainin to do can fuck right off.

It's a collective thing, not individual. It's not our fault. Yet, as white males, we have benefited indirectly from a white racist patriarchal system.

Most of the black community in the United States were collectively harmed by Chattel Slavery, Jim Crow, Redlining, racial profiling, and so on. And people like Dom think young black males are inherently prone to crime.

I think a large part of what the left refers to as white privileges are really basic rights. We are not denied credit because we are white. Police do not stop us for driving while white.  That shit did and still does happen to black people.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3606 on: June 11, 2023, 11:50:40 AM »
Indenture is not the same as Chattel Slavery. 

The Chinese weren't stripped of their culture.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3607 on: June 11, 2023, 12:04:20 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 11:23:31 AM
JFC, Nichi. What was the argument here? What is the best way to convince a Judge Judy that his view on transgendered people using the bathroom is wrong.  By calling him a dumb bigot or appealing to reason? The same logic applies to basically any other issue, including free shots, if you are serious about trying to change minds.


The answer is: Depends on the person.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3608 on: June 11, 2023, 12:05:05 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
I'm sure you thought you did.

Now you’re just reverting to your natural state as bloviating asshole.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3609 on: June 11, 2023, 12:07:06 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 11, 2023, 11:15:40 AM
I get that you are a taking a British black man's perspective out of context and misapplying it to the United States. He even specifically says the situation for people of African descent is different in England than the United States. The majority in Britain are immigrants from Africa; they are not descended from victims of the transatlantic slave trade.

The left needs to do a better job of recognizing that the black communities are not homogeneous blocs. Maybe the CRT models need to be objectively adjusted. I don't think they should be adjusted because they hurt your and Custard's feelings.

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« Reply #3610 on: June 11, 2023, 12:09:06 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 11:26:42 AM
The question was how to get around that. Is calling a Judge Judy a bigot the way to do it? I say "No." Spark and you apparently think otherwise.

I cited a person who disagreed with the two of you on how to win people over. Then Nichi went off on a tangent based on the differences between the situations in the UK and the US.

Yes, you cited “a person.” With an opinion.
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« Reply #3611 on: June 11, 2023, 12:10:34 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 11, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
It's a collective thing, not individual. It's not our fault. Yet, as white males, we have benefited indirectly from a white racist patriarchal system.

Most of the black community in the United States were collectively harmed by Chattel Slavery, Jim Crow, Redlining, racial profiling, and so on. And people like Dom think young black males are inherently prone to crime.

I think a large part of what the left refers to as white privileges are really basic rights. We are not denied credit because we are white. Police do not stop us for driving while white.  That shit did and still does happen to black people.

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« Reply #3612 on: June 11, 2023, 12:11:21 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 11, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
It's a collective thing, not individual. It's not our fault. Yet, as white males, we have benefited indirectly from a white racist patriarchal system.

Most of the black community in the United States were collectively harmed by Chattel Slavery, Jim Crow, Redlining, racial profiling, and so on. And people like Dom think young black males are inherently prone to crime.

I think a large part of what the left refers to as white privileges are really basic rights. We are not denied credit because we are white. Police do not stop us for driving while white.  That shit did and still does happen to black people.

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We are also not going to be “shown” houses in black neighborhoods
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« Reply #3613 on: June 11, 2023, 12:12:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 11:23:31 AM
JFC, Nichi. What was the argument here? What is the best way to convince a Judge Judy that his view on transgendered people using the bathroom is wrong.  By calling him a dumb bigot or appealing to reason? The same logic applies to basically any other issue, including free shots, if you are serious about trying to change minds.

I think that guy is talking about England, not the United States.

If racism and bigotry are problems, and you are serious, then address them. 

*Through legal action -- criminal prosecution and civil lawsuits.
*Through education; which involves both reason and calling a bigot a bigot.
*With political action. Defeating  bigoted Republican candidates.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3614 on: June 11, 2023, 12:16:23 PM »
Maybe if we had just been nicer to a Hitler maybe he wouldn’t have murdered all those Jews.
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