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« Reply #1035 on: July 14, 2023, 08:03:17 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on July 13, 2023, 08:28:12 PM

Bill Self knowing he could come back if he wanted to wouldn’t preclude him from being flattered by the offer…

You’re a super weird dude with the all time weirdest shit to be hung up on.

Sure, Whitman can shoot the text, Self can laugh, and we can move on. Let’s just say it’s already happened so we can stop wasting time discussing it.

I’m sure he’d be flattered - who wouldn’t be, we’re Illinois!

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« Reply #1036 on: July 14, 2023, 08:07:07 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on July 13, 2023, 08:29:02 PM

The self-loathing Illini fan mindset just oozes from Spark.

Just such a weird, weird take.

Being honest about a program isn’t self loathing, and pretending we’re something we aren’t and have basically never been for longer than 5-7 years, a handful of times in our history isn’t done virtuous stance.

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« Reply #1037 on: July 14, 2023, 08:07:58 AM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on July 13, 2023, 07:57:22 PM

A lot of big universities are in the middle of nowhere. Including KU. Nowhere ever did I say that we can get whoever we want because we are Illinois.

If I made a post like this you wouldn’t stop talking about how I thought Illinois and KU were similar programs for years.

Have I said anything about our program that’s even really debatable? A good, not great program historically? Have had a handful of 5-7 year stretches where we are great but have never sustained it for longer than that? Close to three major metro areas but not really close to any of them, and in the middle of a cornfield?

I’d love for you to lay out all the places I’m wrong here, and maybe lay out your view of the program in a similar way. What part of my characterization do you take such issue with that you’re telling me I’m self loathing?

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« Reply #1038 on: July 14, 2023, 08:17:35 AM »

Maybe, just maybe, Whitman has no interest in Bill Self.

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« Reply #1039 on: July 14, 2023, 08:28:34 AM »

Why not Jay Wright? Billy Donovan?

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« Reply #1040 on: July 14, 2023, 10:37:31 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 07:52:53 AM

They certainly don’t have your naïveté about the CBB business.

I’ve known a lot of people in CBB and high level HS basketball, and have never met one that views things like you do - because you think of things steadfastly as an Illinois basketball fan and never take a step back and try to see it from the perspective of someone without that emotional connection.

Like, maybe we should text Coach K? Couldn’t hurt, maybe he’d be flattered. He might be bored, you never know!

Bill Self would have to have a Ron Burgundy level of ego (possible i suppose) to not feel flattered by Illinois reaching out to him. Do you really think he’s that callous?

Have you never had a female you weren’t actually interested show attraction to you? Even though you weren’t interested, if you’re not a callous piece of shit you’d still be flattered.

Your view of this is completely transactional. Again, I’m sure Bill Self has more respect for the Illinois job than you do. That much is certain. He wouldn’t have to have actual interest in returning to appreciate the interest.

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« Reply #1041 on: July 14, 2023, 10:40:18 AM »

Quote from: Jobu on July 14, 2023, 08:17:35 AM

Maybe, just maybe, Whitman has no interest in Bill Self.

Maybe, just maybe dipshit. That’s not the fucking point either. Just saying what I’d do if I were him. Again, if you’re never being said no to, you’re probably not aiming high enough.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #1042 on: July 14, 2023, 10:45:07 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 08:03:17 AM

You’re a super weird dude with the all time weirdest shit to be hung up on.

Sure, Whitman can shoot the text, Self can laugh, and we can move on. Let’s just say it’s already happened so we can stop wasting time discussing it.

I’m sure he’d be flattered - who wouldn’t be, we’re Illinois!

Again, it surprises me that you think Self is a callous piece of shit who only thinks of the world transactionally. Rather than a human being who actually has respect for his profession, and you know, overall good memories of his time here. He’s spoken fondly of Illinois since leaving. Sure, that doesn’t mean he’d necessarily be interested in returning. But since he’s probably more likely a normal professional with respect for the place that launched his career to the big time rather than a completely transactional egotist I choose to think he’d actually be flattered. It’s an emotion even people with large egos are capable of, you know.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #1043 on: July 14, 2023, 10:46:52 AM »

Spark is showing his complete lack of respect he has for the Illinois job. I can promise you Self has more respect for Illinois than Spark does.

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« Reply #1044 on: July 14, 2023, 10:48:29 AM »

And again, that doesn’t at all mean Self would seriously consider returning. But since Whitman doesn’t have to ask publicly, what’s the harm in asking? I’ll tell you. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. That’s the harm.

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« Reply #1045 on: July 14, 2023, 10:50:43 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 08:01:14 AM

You go on and on about how I don’t have “respect” for the Illinois job. It’s a straw man, a deflection. I don’t treat Illinois like a blue blood in the same way you do, that’s true. I recognize that we’re a good program but that’s it, we’re not some sleeping giant secret blue blood that inspires blind loyalty in anyone within 120 miles. Frankly, most people throughout CBB do not view us that way, outside of Illinois fan boards.

You have a very fan-centric view of our program. Of course we can get the coach (Stevens, Smart, Donovan, Sean Miller, etc.). Of course a kid from Chicago loves Illinois basketball even though they have been mediocre his entire life - it’s Illinois, after all!

It makes sense because you’re a lifelong fan. But at some point it’s probably worth taking a step back and recognizing that you think that way BECAUSE you’re a lifelong Illinois fan. Most people in the basketball world do not view our program that way at this point if they ever did, and expecting that they do is a phenomenal way to end up with the backup to your backup option.

Ron Guenther thought like you do to some degree. Of course I can get Self to stay, we’re Illinois. Of course Bruce Weber will be great here, we’re Illinois, we don’t need a Self - our program sells itself. He was just wrong though. There’s nothing more special about Illinois basketball than any dozen or two other similar programs out there. You think there is as a lifelong Illini fan of course, but you project that onto basically everyone else nationally and it just doesn’t follow reality.

Again, unless Bill Self is a complete and utter turd. “Being flattered” is an emotion he’d be capable of feeling even from a lesser program. Because he’s human and has respect for his profession. Not just himself.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

« Reply #1046 on: July 14, 2023, 10:57:53 AM »

I am not making the case that Illinois is “special.” And certainly not special compared to KU. If you think that’s my point you’re not even in the same
zip code. The point is Illinois is a desirable job. That’s not to say that anyone we ask will come running. Not what I’m saying at all. But you never know when a top coach might be feeling unappreciated. Hell again, these people are human. You might just catch someone on the right week. They experience ups and downs emotionally just like us. They are not robots (well maybe K and Knight were, but the rest not).

I am not making a case that we can have whoever we want. But if we had any shot at all with a slam dunk great coach, it’d be Self. He’s had ups and downs at KU (off the court especially). There is nothing wrong with having someone say no to you. Again, these things are not done in the public eye. So why not try it? Because some guy on a message board thinks it’s absurd? Ok.

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« Reply #1047 on: July 14, 2023, 11:01:32 AM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on July 14, 2023, 08:07:07 AM

Just such a weird, weird take.

Being honest about a program isn’t self loathing, and pretending we’re something we aren’t and have basically never been for longer than 5-7 years, a handful of times in our history isn’t done virtuous stance.

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Again. I’d you’re an AD and everyone you ask says yes. You’re almost certainly not aiming high enough.

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« Reply #1048 on: July 14, 2023, 11:09:03 AM »

Again. The reason I say ask Self is because there is a personal connection there. It’s not like I’d say ask Izzo or Roy Williams.

Reminds me of a time an adorable little girl gave me her prized bag of bubble gum because we made a good connection on an afternoon I was hanging out with her mother and family. Obviously, as a grown man I wasn’t interested in a 5 year old girl. But it was still touching. And yes, funny!

Who knows, maybe Self in much the same way would get a laugh, but ALSO be flattered. Much like I was. Of course not. Because Self is a robot witht nothing but disdain and contempt for Illinois. We are soooo beneath him! Of course he’d laugh at us! Would probably share the message on Twitter to embarrass us!

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« Reply #1049 on: July 14, 2023, 11:26:05 AM »

Does the hiring of Groce disprove your postulate on Illinois' status among coaches, Tempo, and prove Spark's statements?

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