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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #525 on: May 23, 2023, 08:39:46 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
But you threw it out there as a possibility, which is an attempt to deflect that Underwood should be expected to have an inroad to a kid friendly Oswego.

I threw it out there as an example of a possibility to illustrate that you and I simply do not have the information we would need to know.  You immediately started claiming that I 'assumed' it happened.

We don't know.  Neither of us do.  That was the entire point.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #526 on: May 23, 2023, 08:40:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 08:38:07 PM
They are no ASU, that’s for sure.

Have you ever stopped to think why you think of Illinois as some obvious just-under-a-blue-blood type program, and Utah as a total afterthought, despite the similarities of their historical resume?

Or is that too, like, world-shattering a thought for you to even entertain?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #527 on: May 23, 2023, 08:41:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 08:24:55 PM
They've been to the title game semi-recently, in 1998.  Have a tournament title from the 1940's.



I’m about 99.999% sure I recently referenced the Illini of the early aughts and you scoffed that it might has well have been ancient history. Paraphrasing.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #528 on: May 23, 2023, 08:42:15 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 08:40:59 PM
Have you ever stopped to think why you think of Illinois as some obvious just-under-a-blue-blood type program, and Utah as a total afterthought, despite the similarities of their historical resume?

Or is that too, like, world-shattering a thought for you to even entertain?

Utah is a good program. Better than most. They don’t play near Chicago in the Big Ten.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #529 on: May 23, 2023, 08:42:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 08:41:27 PM
I’m about 99.999% sure I recently referenced the Illini of the early aughts and you scoffed that it might has well have been ancient history. Paraphrasing.

Well if it is, then Utah's is.  They were around the same time.  Again, that was the point.

My guess is RayJ would laugh if you asked him if he might commit to Utah because they went to the title game with Andre Miller.  He'd probably ask who the fuck Andre Miller is.
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« Reply #530 on: May 23, 2023, 08:42:37 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 08:42:15 PM
Utah is a good program. Better than most. They don’t play near Chicago in the Big Ten.

No, they play in the center of the southwest in the Pac-12.
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« Reply #531 on: May 23, 2023, 08:53:02 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 08:42:19 PM
Well if it is, then Utah's is.  They were around the same time.  Again, that was the point.

My guess is RayJ would laugh if you asked him if he might commit to Utah because they went to the title game with Andre Miller.  He'd probably ask who the fuck Andre Miller is.

I think when you grew up in a state that produced a Dee Brown, and probably had parents or people you are close with root for that team; you’re likely to feel a deeper connection. It doesn’t mean that connection definitely exists. Just the likelihood of a connection to Illinois basketball as opposed to Utah for a kid like Rayj.
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« Reply #532 on: May 23, 2023, 08:54:54 PM »
Now if a kid grew up in Salt Lake City, he’d be more likely to identify himself in at least some ways to Utah Basketball.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #533 on: May 23, 2023, 08:55:54 PM »
RayJ Dennis was like, 4 when Dee Brown played at Illinois.  And he's 4 years older than the HS kids we're recruiting.

You have to see, at least, that this "he HAD to have someone who loved that team around him" is you projecting onto him right?  He very well might've; he very well may have parents that don't care about Illinois at all.  We just have no clue.
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« Reply #534 on: May 23, 2023, 08:56:26 PM »
Spark claims Illinois is nationally relevant with Underwood yet can’t beat out Utah for a mid major PG that went to HS in state.

Again, looking from afar the Illini program is complete chaotic JUCO garbage.  Random rotating roster of guys thrown together with no thought.

Remember how bad Illinois was at shooting last year.  Who exactly is going to shoot better this year than last?

This is a team that is going to be horrific offensively, horrific defensively, slow, unathletic and just plain bad.

This is Sergio McClain at PG level bad with no hope in sight for the future.  Honestly they should make Rodgers the PG just for shits and giggles
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« Reply #535 on: May 23, 2023, 08:57:06 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 08:54:54 PM
Now if a kid grew up in Salt Lake City, he’d be more likely to identify himself in at least some ways to Utah Basketball.

Probably.

But it'd be really dumb to take a random basketball recruit from 2 hours away from SLC and just assume he grew up a big Utah basketball fan.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #536 on: May 23, 2023, 08:59:26 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 08:42:37 PM
No, they play in the center of the southwest in the Pac-12.

Sure, but Rayj was probably in junior high when Utah joined the Pac-12. Utah is a very respectable program, but they don’t have the scope of Illinois. Definitely not historically.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #537 on: May 23, 2023, 09:00:40 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 23, 2023, 08:59:26 PM
Sure, but Rayj was probably in junior high when Utah joined the Pac-12. Utah is a very respectable program, but they don’t have the scope of Illinois. Definitely not historically.

What does that mean, 'the scope' of Illinois?

Were they playing in different tournaments?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #538 on: May 23, 2023, 09:01:16 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 23, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Probably.

But it'd be really dumb to take a random basketball recruit from 2 hours away from SLC and just assume he grew up a big Utah basketball fan.

Again, I didn’t say that either. But it’s likely Rayj at least passively rooted for Illinois, or had friends and family that definitely do. Having a chance to be a hero at the local school (and one with decent history) has to be appealing to a kid (and his family). Whether they are Illinois diehards or not.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #539 on: May 23, 2023, 09:02:18 PM »
I don’t live and die with Northwestern and DePaul by a longshot. But I pay attention to them, and will even “root” for them if they are relevant.
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