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Illinois be ASU

ASU is an equal program to Illinois
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Illinois provides a competitive advantage
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Voting closed: April 26, 2023, 11:18:32 AM

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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2023, 03:04:47 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 03:03:31 PM
Very on brand.

I thought you wanted more facts?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2023, 03:05:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 02:48:16 PM
You’re oblivious to the fact that situation matters. Apparently you think it’s 100% about the coach. That couldn’t be more untrue.

If you were to say, provide me a single piece of compelling evidence that supports your point, I’d be more amenable to listening to it.  That you’ve made like 75 posts about this and haven’t done that yet is pretty telling.

Your entire take is Illinois is a better, more desirable, easier place to win than Arizona State because they had more success in the 80’s through 2005.  I don’t think the evidence supports such a take in any way, and you have yet to produce evidence that would support it.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #107 on: April 19, 2023, 03:06:45 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 03:04:47 PM
I thought you wanted more facts?

It’s pretty clear you find facts irrelevant to this discussion, since your whole thing has been about what you FEEL is true, even if the “facts” don’t support it.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #108 on: April 19, 2023, 03:07:06 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 03:05:59 PM
If you were to say, provide me a single piece of compelling evidence that supports your point, I’d be more amenable to listening to it.  That you’ve made like 75 posts about this and haven’t done that yet is pretty telling.

Your entire take is Illinois is a better, more desirable, easier place to win than Arizona State because they had more success in the 80’s through 2005.  I don’t think the evidence supports such a take in any way, and you have yet to produce evidence that would support it.

If pointing out that Calipari’s results at Kentucky were clearly superior to that of Memphis didn’t do it for you, then I got nuthin’.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #109 on: April 19, 2023, 03:07:24 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 02:23:39 PM
No, but you can mostly thank top 10 coach of all-time Lute Olsen for that.

Interesting.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #110 on: April 19, 2023, 03:07:54 PM »
Do you think Illinois is a better, more desirable basketball program than Gonzaga in 2023?

I assume at one point you’d have made these exact arguments about Gonzaga, and yet..
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #111 on: April 19, 2023, 03:08:00 PM »
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Your entire take is Illinois is a better, more desirable, easier place to win than Arizona State because they had more success in the 80’s through 2005.  I don’t think the evidence supports such a take in any way, and you have yet to produce evidence that would support it.

Apparently I’m not the only one with comprehension issues.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #112 on: April 19, 2023, 03:08:55 PM »
Budget, conference, alumni/fan support, and yes, history…
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #113 on: April 19, 2023, 03:09:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 03:08:00 PM
Apparently I’m not the only one with comprehension issues.

Apologies.  You also mentioned talent in the state (or more specifically let, the talent level you FEEL like comes from the state)- advantage ASU.  You mentioned conference strength - a push.  You mentioned budget - a 25% advantage for Illinois.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #114 on: April 19, 2023, 03:10:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 03:08:55 PM
Budget, conference, alumni/fan support, and yes, history…

So relatively similar budgets.  Very similar conferences.  Similar levels of mediocrity in the lifetimes of the kids we’re recruiting.

Yes, we definitely have a more rabid - but surely much dumber and more entitled - fanbase.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #115 on: April 19, 2023, 03:10:25 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 03:07:54 PM
Do you think Illinois is a better, more desirable basketball program than Gonzaga in 2023?

I assume at one point you’d have made these exact arguments about Gonzaga, and yet..

Unique niche only they have been able to fill. Few probably doesn’t get enough credit for creating Duke West out of a midmajor.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #116 on: April 19, 2023, 03:10:34 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 02:27:10 PM
Ayo specifically mentioned how he wanted to bring Illinois back. It was his #1 stated goal.

His #1 goal was getting to the NBA.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2023, 03:11:18 PM »
Again. You’re talking about an all-time coach. Who’s been at one program for as long as I can remember. And I’m 55.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2023, 03:12:41 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 03:10:25 PM
Unique niche only they have been able to fill. Few probably doesn’t get enough credit for creating Duke West out of a midmajor.

Why’d you avoid the question?

20 years ago there’s no doubt you’d have laughed at anyone who thought Gonzaga would ever be competitive with the Illinois’ of the world.  They have no history and play in a rinky dink arena in a rinky dink league, in a small town.

There’s one reason Bobby Hurley’s results have been notably worse than Underwood’s at every stop, and it ain’t because of the success the programs had 20 years ago.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2023, 03:15:47 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 19, 2023, 03:10:34 PM
His #1 goal was getting to the NBA.

“I just felt that playing for my home state and investing in my home state meant more than it would at another school,” Dosunmu told SB Nation. “I thought I had a chance to do something special at Illinois.”

“Illinois is our state program,” Dosunmu’s father told SB Nation. “We want Illinois to be on top. We believed we had the right pieces and could turn it around.”

“We like challenges. We like building things. We’re a hard working family. Illinois was a perfect fit.”

“Five to 10 years from now, the legacy I leave at my home school will mean more than anywhere else.”


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