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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #255 on: May 08, 2023, 09:37:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 08, 2023, 09:28:08 PM
Would that qualify as "light years" better, though?
Didn't he miss the 6'4" Claypool in the flat by about 4 ? And over his head.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #256 on: May 09, 2023, 06:23:20 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 08, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Mr. The Twitter and The 670theGOP doesn't know of the Bill 4th round draft pick punter who was released last year over fake sexual assault claims?

Check that, 6th round draft pick.

I’d heard about it. Didn’t remember his name.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #257 on: May 09, 2023, 08:47:00 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 06, 2023, 11:19:39 AM
Some definite tinder for the fire here lol



I assume all the other GMs in front will be remembered as the guy who let Carter go for nothing?

Why would Poles in particular take heat?  He's the only guy who actually got something for not taking him, everybody else let him fall for free.  Would it really have been better if, like the other GMs in front of him, Poles had just taken his guy and let Carter fall for free? Pure meathead nonsense.

I can't lie, this seems a bit like trying to undercut a guy who had a better offseason than most GMs..
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #258 on: May 09, 2023, 08:48:07 AM »
Dan Orlovsky says he expects Fields to be in the MVP discussion this year.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #259 on: May 09, 2023, 09:23:27 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 09, 2023, 08:48:07 AM
Dan Orlovsky says he expects Fields to be in the MVP discussion this year.

Dan Orlovsky is not a PAMan approved evaluator.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #260 on: May 09, 2023, 09:25:21 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 09, 2023, 08:48:07 AM
Dan Orlovsky says he expects Fields to be in the MVP discussion this year.

Fields is tied with Aaron Rodgers for 10th favorite. It’s entirely plausible. After Fields and Rodgers the odds drop considerably. So they are fringy among the early front-runners.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #261 on: May 09, 2023, 09:48:20 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 09, 2023, 08:47:00 AM
I assume all the other GMs in front will be remembered as the guy who let Carter go for nothing?

Why would Poles in particular take heat?  He's the only guy who actually got something for not taking him, everybody else let him fall for free.  Would it really have been better if, like the other GMs in front of him, Poles had just taken his guy and let Carter fall for free? Pure meathead nonsense.

I can't lie, this seems a bit like trying to undercut a guy who had a better offseason than most GMs..

To be expected in this day and age where Hot Take is King.

I think Poles has had an excellent offseason. A couple of minor quibbles maybe, but I’m not at all unhappy.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #262 on: May 09, 2023, 09:52:41 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 09, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Dan Orlovsky is not a PAMan approved evaluator.

While this sounds like a joke, it’s the actual truth. Orlovsky was one of the 20+ evaluators PAMan rejected last year when I was sharing Justin Fields evaluation.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #263 on: May 09, 2023, 10:16:49 AM »
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #264 on: May 09, 2023, 10:20:18 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 09, 2023, 09:48:20 AM
To be expected in this day and age where Hot Take is King.

I think Poles has had an excellent offseason. A couple of minor quibbles maybe, but I’m not at all unhappy.

It’s an exceedingly stupid take.  9 teams in a row passed on Carter.  8 of them did it for free, and one got something back for it.  To single out the one guy who actually got return for passing on Carter is self evidently dumb as fuck, even among the NFL take machine.

The notion that it’d have been better if, like the other 8 guys, Poles had just passed on him is not even worthy of as much discussion as we’ve done on it here.  Laughable take.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #265 on: May 09, 2023, 10:30:01 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 09, 2023, 10:20:18 AM
It’s an exceedingly stupid take.  9 teams in a row passed on Carter.  8 of them did it for free, and one got something back for it.  To single out the one guy who actually got return for passing on Carter is self evidently dumb as fuck, even among the NFL take machine.

The notion that it’d have been better if, like the other 8 guys, Poles had just passed on him is not even worthy of as much discussion as we’ve done on it here.  Laughable take.

Well, 1/3 of those teams needed a QB. Which is obviously the most valued position. A couple of others chose the best DE and CB in the draft (probably equally good and safer players). There were legitimate options in the top 7-8 picks. I think when Carter was there at 9 there was no doubt who the most talented player left in the draft was (and he was talent/need wise the most obvious fit for the Bears). Not saying this take wasn’t hot takey, it kind of is. But it’s not like Carter is Connor Bedard, the clear cut obvious choice everyone would take.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #266 on: May 09, 2023, 10:38:49 AM »
Carter was supposedly the #1 most talented player in the draft from the beginning, according to like everyone I read.  Was he not?  It was all anyone talked about before the draft - the easy top talent with off field character and work ethic issues.

So every single team in front of the Bears passed on the most talented guy for free.  Yes, they got the guys they wanted - but so did the Bears.  The Bears also got a 4th round pick for the honor, whereas all the teams in front of them just got their guy - and the only GM who got paid to take the guy he wanted is the only GM being criticized.

It's not 'hot takey', it's self evidently stupid as fuck.  One second of reasonable thought shows you that its beyond idiotic.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #267 on: May 09, 2023, 10:47:03 AM »
Well you’re flat out wrong on this one Spark. At least 3 QBs were going top 4, nothing was changing that. Anderson was deemed every bit Carter’s equal. He was probably the best/safest pick in the draft. And probably #1 on more boards. Once you get to Seattle then you can justify taking the best CB in the draft over a riskier Jalen Carter. It’s really only about 6 on down where you can start to apply this criticism. Raiders went with a guy nearly as highly regarded who has an incredibly high ceiling and not all the character concerns. ATL clearly was smoking from their own bong and going with the guy some felt was the best overall player in the draft (certainly offensively). They want to run the ball and then run it some more. If the Bears had had the first pick, and couldn’t have traded down they would have certainly taken Carter if not for the character concerns. There’s at least 4-5 other teams that weren’t picking a DT 1st regardless. They wanted QBs and Will Anderson.

It’s reasonably fair to label Poles as the guy who passed on Carter because of the more than obvious need/scheme fit/talent projection.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #268 on: May 09, 2023, 10:49:31 AM »
I'm shocked - SHOCKED! - that you're defending the most meatbally take to ever be uttered.

It's a horrendous take.  If Carter is some uber-talent, everyone who passed on him deserves criticism.  The team that got something to pass on him obviously deserves less under any circumstance than the teams that let him fall for free.

If he's not an uber-talent (which, despite the revisionist history he ABSOLUTELY has been sold as for a year or more, thus all the "if he's Warren Sapp where's the production?" discussions), well then obviously the Bears passing, getting the guy they actually wanted, and getting a pick for the honor is an even better move.

No matter the scenario, every team in the top-9 passed on him.  One of them got paid to do it.  That team is the one being criticized.  No way around that being stupid as fuck, sorry.

If Poles is the guy that let him go for a fourth rounder, the 8 guys in front of him are the guy who let him go for nothing.
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Re: 2023 Chicago Bears thread (new)
« Reply #269 on: May 09, 2023, 10:50:50 AM »
Half of those teams were not taking him regardless Spark. What do you not understand here? He’s not Connor Bedard.
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