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WTF is wrong with the left?

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #420 on: September 02, 2020, 04:04:32 PM »
Precisely. Except almost nothing is being done in the 3.25 years to either hold the two parties to a higher standard or introduce a legitimate third party that will put enough competitive pressure on the other two to drive meaningful change.

Are you expecting "them" to do this? Who is "them"? Or are you doing anything yourself?

A lot of incumbent politicians got their ass handed to them in 2018 and in these primaries. Ed Markey is working for meaningful change, but the old guard ran Joe Kennedy against him, and Kennedy lost.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #421 on: September 02, 2020, 08:22:52 PM »
Biden was not my first choice in the Democratic primary, but I won’t think twice about voting for him in the general election.  For me, it’s a pretty straightforward decision: competence and decency over chaos and ineptitude.   Plus, he wants to do something about climate change. 

If folks want a more “representative system” or “greater choice,” then you might want to think about working with FairVote.org and others to get rank-choice voting adopted at the state level across the country.   It won’t happen overnight, but it’s better than complaining every four years about having to vote for the “lesser of two evils.”

Tired of Fighting About Third Parties? Just Enact Ranked Choice Voting.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/third-party-spoiler-justin-amash-ranked-choice-voting-2020

How ranked-choice voting could make voters more open to third-party candidates
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/instant-runoffs-better-way-vote

Fair Vote
https://www.fairvote.org/

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #422 on: September 02, 2020, 08:26:03 PM »
Why do I Google antifa.com and get redirected to joebiden.com , but google to try to donate to Louisiana hurricane relief and end up in roadblocks ?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #423 on: September 02, 2020, 08:41:48 PM »
Why do I Google antifa.com and get redirected to joebiden.com , but google to try to donate to Louisiana hurricane relief and end up in roadblocks ?

Pretty smart since we.know the only people going there are the boogaloo types trying to "research."
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #424 on: September 02, 2020, 09:49:29 PM »
Why do I Google antifa.com and get redirected to joebiden.com , but google to try to donate to Louisiana hurricane relief and end up in roadblocks ?

You goggled antifa.com?

Are you actually Lee Corso?
« Last Edit: September 02, 2020, 09:59:20 PM by spark mandrill »

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #425 on: September 02, 2020, 10:46:29 PM »
Are you expecting "them" to do this? Who is "them"? Or are you doing anything yourself?

A lot of incumbent politicians got their ass handed to them in 2018 and in these primaries. Ed Markey is working for meaningful change, but the old guard ran Joe Kennedy against him, and Kennedy lost.

Like I did in the message you replied to, I try to point out that we don’t have to settle for this nonsense. We only have the illusion of choice because we as a society have not only allowed it but actively support it.

I’m not going to run for office or stump for candidates or waste my money donating to campaigns. I don’t really expect anything to change so I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

But I do think the whole “well I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils” thing is a cop out. Just like the “It’s my duty to vote” trope. I don’t believe it to be any American’s duty to accept being goaded into supporting this sham.

If people keep turning out in droves because they feel it’s their civic duty, then why would there ever be an incentive to improve the product or the system?

It’s like when the Cubs sucked for ages but people still packed Wrigley and spent tons of money thus tacitly accepting the shitty product with a cheery “Wait til next year!”

As long as people keep spending money/turning out in droves for shitty products and shitty leadership that’s exactly what they’re going to keep getting.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #426 on: September 02, 2020, 11:02:52 PM »
Like I did in the message you replied to, I try to point out that we don’t have to settle for this nonsense. We only have the illusion of choice because we as a society have not only allowed it but actively support it.

I’m not going to run for office or stump for candidates or waste my money donating to campaigns. I don’t really expect anything to change so I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

But I do think the whole “well I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils” thing is a cop out. Just like the “It’s my duty to vote” trope. I don’t believe it to be any American’s duty to accept being goaded into supporting this sham.

If people keep turning out in droves because they feel it’s their civic duty, then why would there ever be an incentive to improve the product or the system?

It’s like when the Cubs sucked for ages but people still packed Wrigley and spent tons of money thus tacitly accepting the shitty product with a cheery “Wait til next year!”

As long as people keep spending money/turning out in droves for shitty products and shitty leadership that’s exactly what they’re going to keep getting.

Explain AOC and Ilhan Omar

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #427 on: September 02, 2020, 11:06:31 PM »
If people keep turning out in droves because they feel it’s their civic duty, then why would there ever be an incentive to improve the product or the system?

OK, well what's the change agent here?  I think we just tried one.....

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #428 on: September 02, 2020, 11:48:47 PM »
You goggled antifa.com?

Are you actually Lee Corso?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #429 on: September 03, 2020, 08:40:47 AM »


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #430 on: September 03, 2020, 01:01:47 PM »
Wouldn't it be antifa dot org?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #431 on: September 03, 2020, 01:04:53 PM »
get rank-choice voting adopted at the state level

A couple of days ago, I got in a Twitter fight with some Maine Greens who were pushing RCV.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #432 on: September 03, 2020, 02:23:42 PM »
Wouldn't it be antifa dot org?

They are anarchists. They don't need no stinking dot org.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #433 on: September 03, 2020, 02:50:30 PM »
A couple of days ago, I got in a Twitter fight with some Maine Greens who were pushing RCV.

I'm ok with RCV.  Would like to see it employed and tested more. 

Now the Green Party is a different matter.  Just a bunch of "Russian meddlers."   

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #434 on: September 03, 2020, 09:12:05 PM »
Be ready for lots and lots and lots of China trying to get Biden elected talk
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