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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1725 on: November 21, 2021, 02:57:24 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 02:36:23 PM
As for the last point, you have the right to defend your home/business,.especially if the cops won't.  You may not be able to rely on politicians. See Portland; Chicago; Detroit.
You forgot Minneapolis, which was a doozy. And Mayor Frey just got re-elected.
And Gov Walz will probably get re-elected in spite of 2020 riots and leading the country in long term care percentage of deaths for quite a while. I voted for him last time, but he wont get my vote this time.
Homicides have broken last year's total, I believe. The fishwrap doesn't like to bring it up often.
I believe Kenosha homicides are up over 2020 also.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1726 on: November 21, 2021, 02:57:44 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 01:13:38 PM
This all is just another example of Tempo's progressives and Dem leadership (oxymoron, I know), picking the losing side in a messaging battle. Bunch of stupid fucks that just love losing elections.

I dunno. Maybe in the short run. Contrast this with GA. Why aren't the radical right backing them? They tried to execute a legal citizen's arrest. When the perp resisted, they had no choice ...
 He tried to take their gun! They once backed a guy who stalked and killed an unarmed black kid.

https://theintercept.com/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-acquittal-trial-ahmaud-arbery/
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1727 on: November 21, 2021, 02:59:21 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 21, 2021, 02:57:44 PM
I dunno. Maybe in the short run. Contrast this with GA. Why aren't the radical right backing them? They tried to execute a legal citizen's arrest. When the perp resisted, they had no choice ...
 He tried to take their gun! They once backed a guy who stalked and killed an unarmed black kid.

https://theintercept.com/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-acquittal-trial-ahmaud-arbery/

I agree that GA is far, far different than Kenosha.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1728 on: November 21, 2021, 03:08:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 02:52:57 PM
But you are. They were rioting. They attacked him.

Nonesense. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1729 on: November 21, 2021, 03:08:43 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 21, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
Nonesense.

You are blaming the guy with a gun instead of the rioters.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1730 on: November 21, 2021, 03:11:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 02:36:23 PM
As for the last point, you have the right to defend your home/business,.especially if the cops won't.  You may not be able to rely on politicians. See Portland; Chicago; Detroit.

I have no problem with people defending their businesses and homes. 
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« Reply #1731 on: November 21, 2021, 03:13:32 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 03:08:43 PM
You are blaming the guy with a gun instead of the rioters.

You just won't give up.   A pox on both their houses. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1732 on: November 21, 2021, 03:15:14 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
Defending those 2 assholes are not a hill to die on, so to speak.

At least one of those of those assholes was diagnosed bipolar. There is a good chance the other thought he was trying to stop an active shooter. 

"Rittenhouse’s killing of Rosenbaum may have been lawful. But that was scarcely self-evident to the bystanders who heard gunshots and then saw a killer holding an AR-15. The group of protesters who proceeded to chase and attack Rittenhouse could have reasonably believed that killing the armed teenager was necessary to save others from imminent bodily harm. If Rittenhouse had a right to shoot Huber and Grosskreutz in self-defense, the latter had a similarly legitimate basis for shooting Rittenhouse dead."
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/rittenhouse-jury-verdict-self-defense-legal-analysis.html
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1733 on: November 21, 2021, 03:23:12 PM »
Quote from: Mn on November 21, 2021, 02:57:24 PM
You forgot Minneapolis, which was a doozy. And Mayor Frey just got re-elected.
And Gov Walz will probably get re-elected in spite of 2020 riots and leading the country in long term care percentage of deaths for quite a while. I voted for him last time, but he wont get my vote this time.
Homicides have broken last year's total, I believe. The fishwrap doesn't like to bring it up often.
I believe Kenosha homicides are up over 2020 also.

I didn't forget to mention Minneapolis or countless other cities for that matter.  I was merely citing an article, demonstrating that local officials around the country are adding funds back into police department budgets due to public pressure.  The article didn't say it was being done everywhere.   

If you got a problem with local and state officials in Minnesota, I would suggest you work wtih other like-minded people to press for better public safety policies and funding.   It usually takes a village to effect positive change. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1734 on: November 21, 2021, 03:28:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 21, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
I agree that GA is far, far different than Kenosha.

Why?

The Mcmichaels were defending property from a person they believed to be a burglary suspect.

At the time, citizen's arrest was still legal in GA.

The suspect resisted citizen's arrest. 

The suspect tried to take McMichael's gun.

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Kyle Rittenhouse was defending property from an alleged arsonist.

The alleged arsonist allegedly tried to take Rittenhouse's gun.

The basic elements are somewhat similar.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1735 on: November 21, 2021, 03:33:15 PM »
Let's not forget Gaige Grosskreutz was technically illegally carrying, as his concealed carry permit had expired.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1736 on: November 21, 2021, 03:38:47 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 21, 2021, 03:23:12 PM
I didn't forget to mention Minneapolis or countless other cities for that matter.  I was merely citing an article, demonstrating that local officials around the country are adding funds back into police department budgets due to public pressure.  The article didn't say it was being done everywhere.   

If you got a problem with local and state officials in Minnesota, I would suggest you work wtih other like-minded people to press for better public safety policies and funding.   It usually takes a village to effect positive change. 
The knee-jerk I'll be out of a job if I don't change my position approach shouldn't hide the wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1737 on: November 21, 2021, 04:42:47 PM »
So we’ve come full circle to refund the police?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1738 on: November 21, 2021, 05:04:55 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 21, 2021, 04:42:47 PM
So we’ve come full circle to refund the police?

"Defund the Police" was always a stupid slogan for shifting priorities away from proactive law enforcement toward proactive crime prevention. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1739 on: November 21, 2021, 05:08:42 PM »
The bottom line is people are dead because a 17 year old took a rifle to a protest hoping to use it. And of course, he did.
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