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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6795 on: January 16, 2025, 10:11:11 PM »
Or any of what you just claimed…

There is objective evidence that immigrants have a lower crime rate. The rest is anecdotal.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6796 on: January 16, 2025, 10:17:20 PM »
They objectively have a lower crime rate than natural born citizens.

As to whether they represent their best, purely anecdotal, but reportedly a lot of them are actually merchants, doctors, nurses, teachers, lawyers, etc.

There is no objective evidence other countries are sending criminals etc.

I highly doubt that crime can be tracked the same way amongst illegal immigrants versus naturally born citizens. Think about it.

You actually think a lot of lawyers and teachers and doctors are being shuttled to the US through Mexico by the cartel? You must be talking about legal immigrants, which is 100% beside the point.

All that is meaningless though because no one said they are bringing crime at a rate equal or higher than natural born citizens. That’s a manufactured qualifier deflection  from the fact that some number of these people coming across are absolutely committing crimes—some of them heinous—which is the whole point of Trump’s comment.

They ARE bringing crime and rapists. It isn’t debatable. Their best aren’t fleeing the country by cartel to wade penniless across the Rio Grande—they’re comfortable back home running the show.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6797 on: January 16, 2025, 10:33:24 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6798 on: January 16, 2025, 10:42:22 PM »
They ARE bringing crime and rapists. It isn’t debatable. Their best aren’t fleeing the country by cartel to wade penniless across the Rio Grande—they’re comfortable back home running the show.

The nativists said the same stuff about the immigrants coming from Germany, Ireland, Italy, Eastern Europe, China and Mexico, dating back to the 1850s.
https://www.mcny.org/exhibition/nativists-and-immigrants
https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-making-america-1920-again
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/unwanted-immigration-and-nativism-america

Rinse and repeat.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6799 on: January 16, 2025, 11:03:14 PM »
The nativists said the same stuff about the immigrants coming from Germany, Ireland, Italy, Eastern Europe, China and Mexico, dating back to the 1850s.
https://www.mcny.org/exhibition/nativists-and-immigrants
https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-making-america-1920-again
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/unwanted-immigration-and-nativism-america

Rinse and repeat.

Are some of the illegal immigrants criminals? It’s a simple yes or no question.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6800 on: January 17, 2025, 02:35:13 AM »
Their best aren’t fleeing the country by cartel to wade penniless across the Rio Grande—they’re comfortable back home running the show.

No. Very few are living well in Haiti or Venezuela.
 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6801 on: January 17, 2025, 05:42:07 AM »
Any statistics about crime rates for illegal immigrants, the employment capabilities of the illegal immigrants and the perceptions of illegal immigrants from before Biden took office can be tossed out the window.
This country did have some control over our borders, whether you like the immigration laws or not, for 150+ years. The Biden administration lost that control or gave up control.
The illegal immigration under Biden could be compared with previous decades if the same border policies were followed. They weren't.

We were told by the administration that the border was under control. It wasn't.

We were told incessantly that the illegal immigrants were seeking asylum and fleeing political upheaval or violence. Some were. Some weren't. That facade slowly drifted away when it was obvious that employment was also a huge driver. They're fleeing violence at home became who's going to pick the cabbage. The asylum argument was used in an effort to foster a degree of acceptance by the public. That argument died a couple of years ago.

Attempts to minimize the impacts of illegal immigration under Biden to legal immigration under previous Presidents is comparing night to day.

Countries are not "sending" their criminals to our borders is used as a diversionary argument from saying that criminals and terrorists from other countries are actually crossing our borders. We don't know who many are or where they are. Nor do we know where 350,000 kids are who have come across the border.
Countries don't have to "send" their criminals when their criminals can cross our borders willingly.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6802 on: January 17, 2025, 05:45:02 AM »

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6803 on: January 17, 2025, 05:52:37 AM »
"Analysis of Texas arrest records indicates a consistent trend across violent, drug, property, and traffic offenses between 2012 and 2018."

2012-2018 has nothing to do with 2020-2024. Nothing.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6804 on: January 17, 2025, 06:08:36 AM »
"Analysis of Texas arrest records indicates a consistent trend across violent, drug, property, and traffic offenses between 2012 and 2018."

2012-2018 has nothing to do with 2020-2024. Nothing.

Nonesense.  The Texas study was groundbreaking.  It is still relevant.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave


 


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6805 on: January 17, 2025, 06:16:47 AM »
Nonesense.  The Texas study was groundbreaking.  It is still relevant.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave


 


No. The border under Biden was groundbreaking and used completely different policies than previous administrations.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6806 on: January 17, 2025, 06:24:36 AM »
Minimizing the impact of Biden border policies to the impact of previous administrations isn't much different than Biden saying a tech oligarchy is a serious concern.
The tech oligarchs he's referring to include people who spent millions to get him elected a short 4 years ago. In the case of Zuckerberg it was $400 million plus. They've all abandoned him like the Democratic party abandoned him.
Yet George Soros, the good oligarch, gets a Presidential Medal of Freedom because he's still with the Dems tho. Lol
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6807 on: January 17, 2025, 06:31:26 AM »
Any statistics about crime rates for illegal immigrants, the employment capabilities of the illegal immigrants and the perceptions of illegal immigrants from before Biden took office can be tossed out the window.
This country did have some control over our borders, whether you like the immigration laws or not, for 150+ years. The Biden administration lost that control or gave up control.
The illegal immigration under Biden could be compared with previous decades if the same border policies were followed. They weren't.

We were told by the administration that the border was under control. It wasn't.

We were told incessantly that the illegal immigrants were seeking asylum and fleeing political upheaval or violence. Some were. Some weren't. That facade slowly drifted away when it was obvious that employment was also a huge driver. They're fleeing violence at home became who's going to pick the cabbage. The asylum argument was used in an effort to foster a degree of acceptance by the public. That argument died a couple of years ago.

Attempts to minimize the impacts of illegal immigration under Biden to legal immigration under previous Presidents is comparing night to day.

Countries are not "sending" their criminals to our borders is used as a diversionary argument from saying that criminals and terrorists from other countries are actually crossing our borders. We don't know who many are or where they are. Nor do we know where 350,000 kids are who have come across the border.
Countries don't have to "send" their criminals when their criminals can cross our borders willingly.

This was written specifically for you.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/02/the-crisis-at-the-border-a-primer-for-confused-americans.html

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6808 on: January 17, 2025, 06:45:07 AM »
This was written specifically for you.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/02/the-crisis-at-the-border-a-primer-for-confused-americans.html
Lol.
Unprecedented numbers. Yeah.
"Straining resources" is a polite way of saying the Biden administration caused border issues we haven't seen before.
2/3-3/4 of the country wanted border control. The Biden administration would have nothing to do with that until they determined that it was a losing proposition.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6809 on: January 17, 2025, 06:57:31 AM »
"The government points to neighbouring Denmark, where citizenship can already be removed because of an act that is "seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the state". The law was recently extended to include some forms of serious gang crime."

"Sweden's minority government has also moved to tighten rules on applying for citizenship."

"Inquiry author Kirsti Laakso Utvik said the changes would bring Sweden more closely into line with other European countries."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-plans-to-remove-citizenship-from-people-seen-as-threat-to-state/ar-AA1xfFMR?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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