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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2400 on: May 27, 2022, 07:33:21 AM »
I hope if they do pass something it will actually be effective and not just some salve for the bleeding hearts

It's called running out the clock.

I am not a gun grabber, but the lack of pre-sale background/mental illness checks finally needs to be addressed.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2401 on: May 27, 2022, 07:34:30 AM »
From what I can gather, that district has 4 ill prepared security offices for four schools.

Sounding like, yet again, just like in FL, the cops did not do their jobs.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2402 on: May 27, 2022, 09:29:18 AM »
I am not a gun grabber, but the lack of pre-sale background/mental illness checks finally needs to be addressed.

Agree.  I love my guns, but something needs to change here.  18 year olds by and large aren't the most responsible, well-rounded people.  Some are, and there should be a better vetting process, and some additional differentiation between long guns with high capacity, etc.  I don't know the answers, but God damn, something needs to happen.  Shame, but appears in addition to this schools are going to need to be locked down, more security, etc. 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2403 on: May 27, 2022, 10:38:52 AM »
but the lack of pre-sale background/mental illness checks finally needs to be addressed.

when was the last time you bought a gun?

every single gun store has to call the NICS https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics to do a background check before selling someone a gun

if anything that service needs to keep up with mentally ill people in it, but the left keeps changing those definitions so yeah... good luck with that
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2404 on: May 27, 2022, 10:58:33 AM »
when was the last time you bought a gun?

every single gun store has to call the NICS https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics to do a background check before selling someone a gun

if anything that service needs to keep up with mentally ill people in it, but the left keeps changing those definitions so yeah... good luck with that

Ergo the "/mental illness" part of the sentence. But yes, because definitions can be tricky means nothing should be done and we should keep allowing wack job incels to buy guns. Sounds completely sane to me. The Constitution is not a death warrant.
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« Reply #2405 on: May 27, 2022, 11:06:06 AM »
Ergo the "/mental illness" part of the sentence. But yes, because definitions can be tricky means nothing should be done and we should keep allowing wack job incels to buy guns. Sounds completely sane to me. The Constitution is not a death warrant.

incels (little harder to diagnose) and trannies should not be allowed to buy guns, period
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2406 on: May 27, 2022, 11:11:08 AM »
incels (little harder to diagnose) and trannies should not be allowed to buy guns, period

How many "trannies" have been involved in shootings? Seems like the mass shootings are always the incels (aside from the gangbangers who are not getting their guns legally anyway).
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2407 on: May 27, 2022, 12:20:09 PM »
Ergo the "/mental illness" part of the sentence. But yes, because definitions can be tricky means nothing should be done and we should keep allowing wack job incels to buy guns. Sounds completely sane to me. The Constitution is not a death warrant.

I think the best opportunity to find legislative compromise is center around “red flag” laws.  Nineteen states and the District of Columbia have enacted some form of a red-flag law. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law

Looks like there’s some GOP Senate support too, including Rick Scott, Roy Blount, Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham and a few others.  The best way to get into the weeds on something like this is through a bipartisan working group, not from the committee process.   
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/senate-bipartisanred-flag-laws-texas-shooting

A national red flag law is not going to make a huge difference.  I think it should be part of a broader gun violence legislative package.  But in this age of gridlock, something is much better than nothing.   

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2408 on: May 27, 2022, 12:24:29 PM »
Agree.  I love my guns, but something needs to change here.  18 year olds by and large aren't the most responsible, well-rounded people.  Some are, and there should be a better vetting process, and some additional differentiation between long guns with high capacity, etc.  I don't know the answers, but God damn, something needs to happen.  Shame, but appears in addition to this schools are going to need to be locked down, more security, etc.

I think you have the basis of a good letter to send to your congresscritters.   I plan to send one today.     

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2409 on: May 27, 2022, 12:34:04 PM »
How many "trannies" have been involved in shootings? Seems like the mass shootings are always the incels (aside from the gangbangers who are not getting their guns legally anyway).

well thankfully they usually shoot themselves, and since they are such a small part of the population (but growing) its only a matter of time
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2410 on: May 27, 2022, 12:56:20 PM »
A national red flag law is not going to make a huge difference.  I think it should be part of a broader gun violence legislative package.  But in this age of gridlock, something is much better than nothing.   

Fuck red flag laws. If you don't have a red flag, you can have a gun.

We need *green* flag laws. You pass through the 7th circle of hell and come out unscathed, you can have a green flag and get a gun.
We do a pathetic job of testing drivers to get a drivers license, but it's still a higher bar than for guns.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2411 on: May 27, 2022, 01:10:49 PM »
red flag laws are just abused by women to get custody of kids and other shenanigans, great idea clogging up the courts with more he said she said garbage
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2412 on: May 27, 2022, 01:17:48 PM »
Fuck red flag laws. If you don't have a red flag, you can have a gun.

We need *green* flag laws. You pass through the 7th circle of hell and come out unscathed, you can have a green flag and get a gun.
We do a pathetic job of testing drivers to get a drivers license, but it's still a higher bar than for guns.

The problem you have is there is nothing comparable to the Second Amendment protecting the right to drive a car.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2413 on: May 27, 2022, 01:20:09 PM »
red flag laws are just abused by women to get custody of kids and other shenanigans, great idea clogging up the courts with more he said she said garbage

Oh brother. There is plenty of court capacity. Courtrooms are dark all afternoon everywhere you go.

I get it. The real victim here is you, the white guy posting on the message board!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2414 on: May 27, 2022, 01:48:27 PM »
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