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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2115 on: March 26, 2022, 02:48:29 PM »
Nichi, JudgeJudy is a complete dumbfuck piece of shit whose peabrain can't comprehend these are 3 distinct actions:

A. JuristJerry diddling his daughter.
B. Domino looking at a picture of JuristJerry diddling his daughter.
C. Domino (who is 18) and JuristJerry (who is 50) sharing a digitally created photograph of a man having sex with a minor, where no real people are in the picture.

Now, if you think all 3 deserve the same punishment,  fine. However,  Congress apparently did not agree.

And, when shit like this happens due to mandatory sentencing,
https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/589738-controversy-erupts-over-illinois-judges-reversal-of-a

maybe there is a reason that Congress left some discretion to the judge.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2116 on: March 26, 2022, 02:55:55 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 26, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
and you fell for it.

Least shocking part of this discussion.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2117 on: March 26, 2022, 07:22:13 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 26, 2022, 12:46:08 PM
What pisses me off is none of us actually know Wesley Hawkins. Hawley never met him. Anyone who takes a minute to investigate finds out people convicted with simple possession of child porn never get the guideline sentence. Some don't do any time.

Hawley et al are holier than thou hypocrites trying to score political points. They think you are too stupid or too lazy or too busy or too apathetic to fact check them.

Don’t waste your time Ray trying to explain the details that may make certain violations of child porn laws more or less severe than others.  The right-wing echo chamber couldn’t care less.

It’s so much easier to score a few cheap political points by pressing the big red button marked “Soft on Pedophiles.” 

Let's move on to the next manufactured outrage.   
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2118 on: March 26, 2022, 09:00:15 PM »
I don’t think the debate here is that it’s purely being soft on pedos.

The whole point was the dichotomy of “These kids aren’t much younger than him” despite one of them being 8. Ironically that was completely glossed over by Ray in his litany of left wing talking points regarding Hawkins.

No one is saying lock the dude up for life but let’s at least be honest about what was done and what was said and how it was justified. 8 years old is not age-adjacent.

Stop making excuses for this sick fuck to play identity politics.




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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2119 on: March 27, 2022, 09:01:05 AM »
Nobody is making excuses.   Criminal laws make these kinds of distinctions all the time.   

If you don’t like the outcomes, work to change the law. 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2120 on: March 27, 2022, 10:09:17 AM »
ffs.

I never thought that porn videos of 8 year olds would be defended.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2121 on: March 27, 2022, 12:03:57 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 27, 2022, 10:09:17 AM
ffs.

I never thought that porn videos of 8 year olds would be defended.

Lol you’re posting on the Cesspool, remember. A place where people can’t stand Truth, all while posting things much worse like above, all while hiding behind the defense of… well the law allows it. Example, see Karl Malone.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2122 on: March 27, 2022, 01:43:47 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 27, 2022, 10:09:17 AM
ffs.

I never thought that porn videos of 8 year olds would be defended.

I have yet to see anyone defending it.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2123 on: March 27, 2022, 01:51:58 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 27, 2022, 10:09:17 AM
ffs.

I never thought that porn videos of 8 year olds would be defended.
   Do you seriously believe a anyone is defending that?

What Hawley did was equate:

1. Pedophiles who sexually assault 8 yr olds.
2. People who run criminal enterprises that videotape and distribute them.
3. A shy, socially inept 18 year old who possessed and shared some photos and videos that included one image of an 8 yr old. The others were 11 or 12.

Nobody defends 3. It is a serious crime.  Judge Jackson called it heinous. She gave him some hard time. Older men caught with more child porn have gotten off with probation.

There are three issues I see.

1.  Conflating 3 very distinct kinds of sex crimes. All 3 are serious. But equating looking at pictures with trafficking or the actual deed is obviously wrong.

2. Pretty much everyone agrees the federal sentencing guidelines for possession are out of date. It appears everyone involved in the process suggests sentences lesser than the guideline minimum.

3. None of the people complaining appear to have met or interviewed Wesley Hawkins. His psychological profile said he is not a pedophile and is not a threat to children.

It is brought up that he uploaded something to YouTube. No mention where he found it? Tells me he was low hanging fruit for the FBI. Now he is low hanging fruit for pricks like Hawley.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2124 on: March 27, 2022, 02:02:19 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 27, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
I have yet to see anyone defending it.

False conflation is a typical right wing tactic.  In the past they literally conflated pedophilia with homosexuality. Anyone who supported gay rights was supporting child molesters.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2125 on: March 27, 2022, 02:07:09 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 27, 2022, 02:02:19 PM
False conflation is a typical right wing tactic.  In the past they literally conflated pedophilia with homosexuality. Anyone who supported gay rights was supporting child molesters.

I’ve never supported that idea or thought that. And there’s extremists on both sides that believe all kinds of quacky stuff.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2126 on: March 27, 2022, 02:11:27 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 27, 2022, 02:02:19 PM
False conflation is a typical right wing tactic.  In the past they literally conflated pedophilia with homosexuality. Anyone who supported gay rights was supporting child molesters.
Go fuck yourself.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2127 on: March 27, 2022, 02:19:18 PM »
Wow!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2128 on: March 27, 2022, 02:25:44 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 27, 2022, 12:03:57 PM
Lol you’re posting on the Cesspool, remember. A place where people can’t stand Truth, all while posting things much worse like above, all while hiding behind the defense of… well the law allows it. Example, see Karl Malone.

Good grief. Do you actually believe looking at dirty pictures is as serious as getting someone drunk and raping them?   

What Wesley Hawkins did was a serious crime. No one said it was legal. He did hard time and restrictive probation. There were mitigating factors that lessened his sentence
 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2129 on: March 27, 2022, 02:37:07 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 27, 2022, 02:25:44 PM
Good grief. Do you actually believe looking at dirty pictures is as serious as getting someone drunk and raping them?   

What Wesley Hawkins did was a serious crime. No one said it was legal. He did hard time and restrictive probation. There were mitigating factors that lessened his sentence

When they are 8-years-old and minors, yes, they should be punished the same. You’re using a false equivalency. This isn’t adults.

That’s cute, “mitigating factors.” I’d laugh, but that’s sick.
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