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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #375 on: January 08, 2026, 10:24:12 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 08, 2026, 10:18:55 AM
If you watched it 20 times, then you should understand that these ICE guys would make the Keystone Kops look like the top policing force of all time.

Before we even get into the shooter - who was shooting at a moving car with bystanders in the vicinity (a clear no-no) - let's look at the dude who was driving the truck. He pulls up, hops out of his RV, and rushes to her car, yelling "Get out of the fucking car" and tries to open the door. There is so much wrong there.

If the person in the car was armed, he just got shot, by approaching the car in a non-defensive position. But he didn't approach the car in a defensive position because he *knew* the occupant was just some middle class white lady he figured he could push around. As such, he can calmly approach the car and request that she exit the vehicle. *IF* he were a cop, which he is not. He is Immigration Customs Enforcement, which doesn't have the authority to do policing actions like that. What do they do if she gets out of the car? They don't have authority to arrest her.

And *if* there was a reason to order her out of the car. Dubious at best. A trained officer would have approached the car, and made a request that the driver move her car.

The shooter didn't get out of the truck - he was already on the street and knew exactly what kind of player the driver of the car was. There was no reason to engage with gun play. Stay away from the car, have one officer approach and calmly engage.

These ICE guys are cosplaying as Navy Seals, and it just keeps going badly.


I have already said I didn’t feel like they had any business trying to arrest this woman or force her out of her vehicle. They aren’t trained to handle things like this, and obviously it went sideways in a hurry.

I also think that if you’re going to fuck around, you might find out.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #376 on: January 08, 2026, 10:26:57 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 10:18:37 AM

This reminds of replays where different camera angles are contradictory. The NYT synchs that with other videos. It's a misleading angle. Other angled show she didn't hit him. He was clear of the vehicle when he fired the first shot.

How could one angle show the car hitting him and another show it not hitting him? Subtle nuances are one thing, but that feels pretty cut and dried. Having to sync up three separate videos also really should draw some attention to the fact that these people have to make split second decisions that are life or death. We see officials get it wrong in sports all the time, but under the scrutiny of slow motion replay, we can start to suss out some details that weren’t apparent in real time. That’s what gets lost in all of this. I hate that this happened and I don’t think they should’ve been trying to detain this woman. She also shouldn’t have been impeding federal officials trying to do their jobs while her wife filmed this for maximum dramatic effect
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #377 on: January 08, 2026, 10:30:27 AM »
Jon Stewart on the Gulf of America, not not that one ; firehttps://x.com/thedailyshow/status/2009294527412998191?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #378 on: January 08, 2026, 10:31:10 AM »
Quote from: Tricky Dick on January 08, 2026, 10:17:44 AM
instead of laying out why universal healthcare is so beneficial. Huge opportunity missed. I was scratching my head during and after that debate.

The reason universal health care never happens is because for someone to run for office and win, the primary traits needed are narcissism and charisma, not intelligence and an ability to adroitly explain why a policy is good to someone by meeting them where they are.

Bernie - over and over - "Health care is a human right". That does pretty well with someone struggling to pay their health insurance. But if someone has a job with good insurance, all they hear is "I want to increase your taxes".

If you instead make sure you discuss things like small businesses and entrepreneurs being more able to start and run businesses because they aren't trying to navigate employee heath insurance, or would be more able to hire workers from larger firms - who would otherwise stay put just because of health insurance - in order to grow their small businesses, you win. Show how much profit health insurance companies have made over the last few years, make it clear that the government is not for profit so all those shareholder profits and CEO pay packages would now be used to pay for health care and prescriptions, and we can use that savings to instead have thousands of people being paid to deny claims, just cover the claims. That people who get sick and go into medical bankruptcy end up being a drag on the economy, instead of simply taking care of them so they can get back to producing for the economy.

Nichi is 10x as good at explaining it than any politician.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #379 on: January 08, 2026, 10:33:42 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 10:24:12 AM

I have already said I didn’t feel like they had any business trying to arrest this woman or force her out of her vehicle. They aren’t trained to handle things like this, and obviously it went sideways in a hurry.

I also think that if you’re going to fuck around, you might find out.

Just end it at the first paragraph. Throwing in the second paragraph just enables Trump and Noem to keep the status quo, because it's good for them to have this chaos to distract from having sex with children and shooting puppies.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #380 on: January 08, 2026, 10:34:58 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 08, 2026, 10:31:10 AM
The reason universal health care never happens is because for someone to run for office and win, the primary traits needed are narcissism and charisma, not intelligence and an ability to adroitly explain why a policy is good to someone by meeting them where they are.

Bernie - over and over - "Health care is a human right". That does pretty well with someone struggling to pay their health insurance. But if someone has a job with good insurance, all they hear is "I want to increase your taxes".

If you instead make sure you discuss things like small businesses and entrepreneurs being more able to start and run businesses because they aren't trying to navigate employee heath insurance, or would be more able to hire workers from larger firms - who would otherwise stay put just because of health insurance - in order to grow their small businesses, you win. Show how much profit health insurance companies have made over the last few years, make it clear that the government is not for profit so all those shareholder profits and CEO pay packages would now be used to pay for health care and prescriptions, and we can use that savings to instead have thousands of people being paid to deny claims, just cover the claims. That people who get sick and go into medical bankruptcy end up being a drag on the economy, instead of simply taking care of them so they can get back to producing for the economy.

Nichi is 10x as good at explaining it than any politician.

They’d also have to figure out how to win a major election with no backing from the healthcare or insurance lobbies.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #381 on: January 08, 2026, 10:39:36 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 10:26:57 AM
Having to sync up three separate videos also really should draw some attention to the fact that these people have to make split second decisions that are life or death.

That’s what gets lost in all of this. I hate that this happened and I don’t think they should’ve been trying to detain this woman.

No. They don't have to make those split second decisions. Trump and Noem have chosen to put them into the spot where they have to make these sorts of decisions by hiring incompetent boobs, not training them, giving them guns, and sending them out to "kick some ass" - which is not the job of law enforcement.

We sort of learned that lesson at Kent State, and Trump is trying to erase that institutional memory. No ICE arrest that was gonna happen that day is worth conflict. If they were going after an active shooter, say for example at a LDS Ward in Salt Lake City (oh yeah, another mass shooting), and someone was getting in the way of it, then we have a problem. The Mexican Nanny? She'll be there tomorrow to arrest long after Renee Good has lost interest and moved on to the next cause.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #382 on: January 08, 2026, 10:40:40 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 10:34:58 AM
They’d also have to figure out how to win a major election with no backing from the healthcare or insurance lobbies.

Now you're starting to get it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #383 on: January 08, 2026, 10:41:29 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 10:26:57 AM
How could one angle show the car hitting him and another show it not hitting him?

The one camera angle from down the street sort of makes it look like she hit him, but when it's synched, you can tell she didn't. Part of the problem is it's sped up and blurred. Even at that, it shows her vehicle turned.

None of us are experts. My take is he could have moved out of the way. He chose to  hold his ground and fired three shots in rapid succession.  The first through the windshield. The other two through the driver's side window. That would indicate she was turning.

I would say by preponderance of the evidence the agent is civilly liable for a wrongful death. Maybe Noem too.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2026, 11:14:59 AM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #384 on: January 08, 2026, 10:57:11 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 10:41:29 AM
The one camera angle from down the street sort of makes it look like she hit him, but when it's synched, you can tell she didn't. Part of the problem is it's sped up and blurred. Even at that, it shows her vehicle turning.

None of us are experts. My take is he could have move out of the way. He chose to  hold his ground and fired three shots in rapid succession.  The first through the windshield. The other two through the driver's side window. That would indicate she was turning.

I would say by preponderance of the evidence the agent is civilly liable for a wrongful death. Maybe Noem too.

The fact we might be arguing this shows just how out of her depth Kristi Noem is. Incident was still frothing and Noem gets up and says that Renee Good was a domestic terrorist. She's the top of DHS and one of her charges at ICE was just in an officer involved shooting resulting in death. Anyone who belongs in her job simply says "We are aware of the ongoing situation in Minneapolis, and are investigating it thoroughly and will have more comment when we know more"
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #385 on: January 08, 2026, 11:16:16 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 08, 2026, 10:57:11 AM
The fact we might be arguing this shows just how out of her depth Kristi Noem is. Incident was still frothing and Noem gets up and says that Renee Good was a domestic terrorist. She's the top of DHS and one of her charges at ICE was just in an officer involved shooting resulting in death. Anyone who belongs in her job simply says "We are aware of the ongoing situation in Minneapolis, and are investigating it thoroughly and will have more comment when we know more"

Maybe even offered condolences for the family of the deacesed?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #386 on: January 08, 2026, 11:28:23 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 11:16:16 AM
Maybe even offered condolences for the family of the deacesed?

"This appears, as an attempt to kill, or cause bodily harm, to the agents. An act of domestic terrorism. It is very clear that this individual was harassing and impeding law enforcement operations. Our officer followed his training. He did exactly what he's been taught to do in that situation, and took actions to defend himself"

- Kristi Noem

She doesn't feel the deceased deserves condolences, any more than someone who goes up and shoots up a school.

To say that this milquetoast lady specifically was trying to kill or injure that officer beggars all belief. Noem really is the worst.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #387 on: January 08, 2026, 12:58:26 PM »
A couple of years ago I was almost t-boned by a woman who couldn't stop for her red light and slid halfway into the intersection. The turn lane she was in was icy.

This morning I saw a woman who had completely slid off of an icy entrance ramp to the interstate. She was still there about an hour later.
Tow trucks have probably been a little busy this morning.

You can see the front tires of the uncooperative to that point woman's truck spinning on ice yesterday. the tires appear to be headed towards the officer.
If the front tires would have been on dry pavement the officer wouldn't have had a chance.

Edited to add the red light that the woman slid thru.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #388 on: January 08, 2026, 01:23:15 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 10:13:05 AM
Obama deported 3 million without sending out masked thugs to instigate shit.
Because the Republicans hadn't set up sanctuary cities to protect invading hordes that they allowed in under their watch.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #389 on: January 08, 2026, 01:52:52 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 08, 2026, 01:23:15 PM
Because the Republicans hadn't invented the fiction that  set up sanctuary cities to protect invading hordes that they allowed in under their watch.

Sanctuary cities have existed for decades.

 The Biden administration's total repatriations were higher than any single presidential term since George W. Bush's second term.
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