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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1365 on: December 17, 2024, 05:25:28 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 17, 2024, 04:41:22 PM
Concerns were expressed that Trump's Secret Service detail was personally loyal to him.
Did you read that in the newspapers ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1366 on: December 17, 2024, 05:27:10 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 17, 2024, 04:29:54 PM
Right after the trial judge smacked down Trump's argument? It appears the ABC corporate overlords made the decision to suck up to Trump.
I'm guessing they forked over the $15 million to avoid discovery.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1367 on: December 17, 2024, 05:28:34 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 17, 2024, 04:52:22 PM
Well, I consider "pro bono" stuff as doing it for free as charity (or when forced to represent someone by the federal court). Others may include doing work at lower than usual rates in their definition.  Who pays you is irrelevant to "pro bono."he

Exactly. Cassidy Hutchinson's first lawyer during the January 6 hearing was paid for by Trump's people. She was reportedly unaware of that. After she fired him, Cheney reportedly helped her obtain pro bobo counsel.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2024, 06:24:53 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1368 on: December 17, 2024, 05:40:45 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 17, 2024, 05:25:28 PM
Did you read that in the newspapers ?

Anthony Ornato
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/31/joe-biden-secret-service-team-trump-loyalty

*Two Secret Service agents were close to Trump and seen as his enablers, said Carol Leonnig.
*The agents plan[ned] to dispute part of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony regarding Trump, said Leonnig.
*Many in Trump's detail cheered the Capitol riot, said Leonnig, whose book covers the Secret Service.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-secret-service-detail-cheered-capitol-riot-author-2022-6
« Last Edit: December 17, 2024, 05:47:37 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1369 on: December 17, 2024, 06:13:42 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 17, 2024, 05:28:34 PM
Exactly. Cassidy Hutchinson's first lawyer during the January 6 hearing was paid for by Trump's people. She was reportedly unaware of that. After she fired him, Cheney helped her obtain pro bobo council.
I wonder why the accounts of Cheney and Hutchinson on the new representation differ ?
Maybe the Signal chats between Hutchinson and Cheney from the preceding days would shed some light.
Hutchinson says she contacted Cheney for help in finding a payment plan attorney, not pro bono representation.


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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1370 on: December 17, 2024, 06:28:46 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 17, 2024, 06:13:42 PM
I wonder why the accounts of Cheney and Hutchinson on the new representation differ ?
Maybe the Signal chats between Hutchinson and Cheney from the preceding days would shed some light.
Hutchinson says she contacted Cheney for help in finding a payment plan attorney, not pro bono representation.




Minutiae. The accounts I read indicated Cheney and or  that other woman helped her arrange a pro bono attorney. I am not going to sit up all night worrying about it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1371 on: December 17, 2024, 06:32:29 PM »
"State-of-the-art end-to-end encryption (powered by the open source Signal Protocol) keeps your conversations secure. We can't read your messages or listen to your calls, and no one else can either. Privacy isn’t an optional mode — it’s just the way that Signal works. Every message, every call, every time."

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1372 on: December 17, 2024, 06:52:28 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 17, 2024, 06:28:46 PM
Minutiae. The accounts I read indicated Cheney and or  that other woman helped her arrange a pro bono attorney. I am not going to sit up all night worrying about it.

So essentially you’ll assume any account that is anti-Trump to be correct, and any other to be incorrect, minutiae, conspiracy theory, or all of the above? This is a rhetorical question.

I’d love to know what actually happened behind the scenes on Jan 6.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1373 on: December 17, 2024, 06:54:14 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 17, 2024, 06:28:46 PM
Minutiae. The accounts I read indicated Cheney and or  that other woman helped her arrange a pro bono attorney. I am not going to sit up all night worrying about it.
You don't believe Hutchinson ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1374 on: December 17, 2024, 06:58:08 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 17, 2024, 06:52:28 PM
So essentially you’ll assume any account that is anti-Trump to be correct, and any other to be incorrect, minutiae, conspiracy theory, or all of the above? This is a rhetorical question.

I’d love to know what actually happened behind the scenes on Jan 6.

Bingo. This is why you got the term badass…
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1375 on: December 17, 2024, 07:05:19 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 17, 2024, 06:32:29 PM
"State-of-the-art end-to-end encryption (powered by the open source Signal Protocol) keeps your conversations secure. We can't read your messages or listen to your calls, and no one else can either. Privacy isn’t an optional mode — it’s just the way that Signal works. Every message, every call, every time."

Or not.
Some might say that using encrypted chat between a congressional committee and a witness might raise a red flag.
Some, not all.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1376 on: December 17, 2024, 07:43:50 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 17, 2024, 06:54:14 PM
You don't believe Hutchinson ?

I neither believe nor disbelieve her. She got some things right right, some things are disputed, and she was inconsistent on others.

It's like you pick around the edges looking for some minor, irrelevant detail to contest. I could probably wade through a bunch of web sites to see who said what or when, but I don't care if the 2nd lawyer was pro bono or if she made payments. It makes no difference.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1377 on: December 17, 2024, 07:51:58 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 17, 2024, 06:52:28 PM
So essentially you’ll assume any account that is anti-Trump to be correct, and any other to be incorrect, minutiae, conspiracy theory, or all of the above? This is a rhetorical question.

I’d love to know what actually happened behind the scenes on Jan 6.

Apparently, Hutchinson fired the lawyer Trump's people assigned to her. She got a new one via Cheney and that other woman. I thought it was pro bono. MN says it was on a payment plan. I couldn't care less either way.

Of greater interest is the story about the secret service agent(s) that organized Trump rallies,  planned to contradict Hutchinson, etc.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1378 on: December 17, 2024, 07:53:23 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 17, 2024, 05:28:34 PM
Exactly. Cassidy Hutchinson's first lawyer during the January 6 hearing was paid for by Trump's people. She was reportedly unaware of that.
From a Feb 2, 2024 letter from the D.C. Office of Disciplinary Counsel to Passentino regarding the ethics charges filed against him.

"You were contacted by a third party, the Save America PAC, to represent Ms.
Hutchinson, a former White House employee, who had been subpoenaed to an interview by the
January 6 Committee. With Ms.Hutchinson's knowledge and consent, the PAC agreed to pay her
legal fees."

"Ms. Hutchinson made some allegations about your conduct to the Committee , but she refused to
cooperate in our investigation."
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1379 on: December 17, 2024, 08:27:03 PM »
“We just want to focus on protecting the President,” Hutchinson said Passantino told her before her first interview with the panel. “We all know that you’re loyal.”

Passantino, who was, strikingly, formerly a top ethics attorney in the Trump White House, was paid by a Trump PAC called Save America, to represent Hutchinson. She didn’t know that at the time, because he refused to tell her who was paying him for the work, she said. She also said he shared details about her testimony with other lawyers working for Trump clients against her wishes.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/12/cassidy-hutchinson-testimony-ethics-lawyer-january-6-report/
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