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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2055 on: December 12, 2023, 10:28:37 PM »
I never ever ever ever ever ever said I was sure.

I've said over and over that there is no such thing as a sure thing.

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« Reply #2056 on: December 12, 2023, 10:31:35 PM »
A lot of average passers "terrify defensive coordinators" when they are able to beat them with their legs.  Robert Griffin III terrified defensive coordinators, but he got hurt and couldn't run anymore and never could pass the ball consistently.

I think Fields is an "average NFL starter" - in that he provides average value to an NFL team as a starting QB - if you take into account BOTH his electric running, and his mediocre passing (combined with his sack and turnover issues).  Like, unless he becomes a better passer, I'm never going to be sold on him even if he rushes for a ton of yards.  He needs to be able to throw the ball IMO, and despite the claims earlier this year of some huge turnaround that hasn't really materialized.

Obviously he doesn't need to throw for 300 yards and 4 TD every game, but even since the Washington game he's just been "okay" in the passing game.  Efficient and hasn't thrown picks (which is great), but he isn't really consistently moving the ball with his arm in the way you'd like to see.

I agree re: now that Mahomes doesn't have Tyreek, he and Kelce both look human.  But I think that's a large part of what scares me about Fields - it will not be long until we will have to pay him in a way that will limit our ability to put weapons around him, and even the Chiefs have looked more human since they had to pay Mahomes and had to move Tyreek.  I do not think he's really come close - IMO - to justify what he'll need to be to be worth what the Bears will have to pay to keep him.

Like obviously everyone is hoping this never happens, but say Fields got hurt in a way that severely limited his athleticism/running game.  How confident are you that he can be a really good passer, if the threat to run for 100 yards isn't there anymore?  At some point in Fields' career assuming he lasts 5-8 more years at a minimum, that ability will no longer be there.

I believe he will progress as a passer, and he has (the stats bear this out too). You may not put much stock into to, but I think he got done dirty last year, and year 2 is a critical year to any QBs development, you apparently disagree.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #2058 on: December 12, 2023, 10:33:39 PM »
I believe he will progress as a passer, and he has (the stats bear this out too). You may not put much stock into to, but I think he got done dirty last year, and year 2 is a critical year to any QBs development, you apparently disagree.

The stats indicate that he's progressed from an absolutely unacceptable, Zach Wilson level passer to a mostly average, occasionally god-awful and occasionally brilliant passer.  Like yes he has progressed.  He was one of the worst passers in the NFL, it's a low bar.

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« Reply #2059 on: December 12, 2023, 10:34:01 PM »
So you don’t know how his skills would translate but somehow I should? If I watch the film I can be SURE.

You've never seen any of them play but insist Fields is the better option. I'd still take Williams over Fields. That's how little I think of Fields.
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« Reply #2060 on: December 12, 2023, 10:35:42 PM »
I believe he will progress as a passer, and he has (the stats bear this out too). You may not put much stock into to, but I think he got done dirty last year, and year 2 is a critical year to any QBs development, you apparently disagree.

No, he has not progressed as a passer.
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« Reply #2062 on: December 12, 2023, 10:45:15 PM »
I never ever ever ever ever ever said I was sure.

I've said over and over that there is no such thing as a sure thing.

I was responding to the PA man
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #2063 on: December 12, 2023, 10:46:04 PM »
He blasted me for not watching the film so that I can be sure.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #2064 on: December 12, 2023, 10:47:22 PM »
He blasted me for not watching the film so that I can be sure.

He literally dedicates his entire recreation time to trolling you, dude.

It's sad to watch, but if you just ignore when he really obviously says shit to get a rise out of you, he will stop.

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« Reply #2065 on: December 12, 2023, 10:48:28 PM »
Patrick Mahomes comparisons…

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/10/12/23913848/caleb-williams-usc-quarterback-nfl-draft-no-1-pick


Yeah, I’m familiar. Patrick Mahomes was also the third quarterback taken in his draft. I think if you polled 32 GM’s before the draft the consensus would be Trevor Lawrence was safer with just about as high a ceiling.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #2066 on: December 12, 2023, 10:50:28 PM »

Yeah, I’m familiar. Patrick Mahomes was also the third quarterback taken in his draft. I think if you polled 32 GM’s before the draft the consensus would be Trevor Lawrence was safer with just about as high a ceiling.

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« Reply #2067 on: December 12, 2023, 10:50:53 PM »
He literally dedicates his entire recreation time to trolling you, dude.

It's sad to watch, but if you just ignore when he really obviously says shit to get a rise out of you, he will stop.

You have it in reverse. He trolls us here at HQ2.
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« Reply #2068 on: December 12, 2023, 10:51:34 PM »
He blasted me for not watching the film so that I can be sure.

You have admitted to not watching college football.
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« Reply #2069 on: December 12, 2023, 10:53:06 PM »
You have it in reverse. He trolls us here at HQ2.

I think he’s on to something here…
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