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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2070 on: December 13, 2023, 04:02:12 AM »
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You have it in reverse. He trolls us here at HQ2.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2071 on: December 13, 2023, 05:14:32 AM »
“One guy is undersized and holds the ball too long.” Can’t help but laugh when I read stuff like this. “The other was inconsistent.”



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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2072 on: December 13, 2023, 07:54:21 AM »
If you had watched the guy play I do not think you’d say “he plays like Justin Fields” but seems like that’s out of the question and you’re just going to post any non-glowing evaluations and take them as gospel (and ignore most of them)

I do not think he plays football like Justin Fields.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2073 on: December 13, 2023, 08:03:09 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 07:54:21 AM
If you had watched the guy play I do not think you’d say “he plays like Justin Fields” but seems like that’s out of the question and you’re just going to post any non-glowing evaluations and take them as gospel (and ignore most of them)

I do not think he plays football like Justin Fields.

He's too busy listening to The Score and watching Joe Dirt to watch the tape or The Office.
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« Reply #2074 on: December 13, 2023, 08:13:50 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 07:54:21 AM
If you had watched the guy play I do not think you’d say “he plays like Justin Fields” but seems like that’s out of the question and you’re just going to post any non-glowing evaluations and take them as gospel (and ignore most of them)

I do not think he plays football like Justin Fields.

Non-glowing evaluations? I expect there’s 90% chance he’s the first player taken. His scouting report reads a lot like Justin Fields. Not identical, no. I also can’t pretend I can watch college film and say “oh yeah, great NFL player.” As I said, I’m sure Fields had some great college tape, too.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2075 on: December 13, 2023, 08:15:01 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 13, 2023, 08:03:09 AM
He's too busy listening to The Score and watching Joe Dirt to watch the tape or The Office.

Would you like my Joe Dirt film review?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2076 on: December 13, 2023, 08:16:23 AM »
I’m sure Williams’ tape is fantastic, does that make him a likely great NFL player? Probably not.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2077 on: December 13, 2023, 08:22:30 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 08:13:50 AM
Non-glowing evaluations? I expect there’s 90% chance he’s the first player taken. His scouting report reads a lot like Justin Fields. Not identical, no. I also can’t pretend I can watch college film and say “oh yeah, great NFL player.” As I said, I’m sure Fields had some great college tape, too.

Fields’ sack issues were a thing in college.  Caleb Williams’ numbers are way better in that regard.  Maybe he holds the ball too long - he takes far fewer sacks.

All indications in college are that Caleb is a better passer, and far less likely to get rushing yards than Fields.  The pass catching talent these guys had in college is not at all comparable.  The talent surrounding them seems to matter sometimes, and other times not matter at all - I don’t get that.

I just can’t imagine a more simple and flawed analysis than to just say “he’s a smaller Justin Fields!” while ignoring that the ways they seem different are some of the very same things that have hindered Justin Fields’ NFL development.  I don’t think that Justin Fields would even be mentioned in Caleb Williams comparisons in any situation where the Bears didn’t have the pick.  I watched some Fields college tape yesterday just for the hell of it, and yeah - it’s impressive too - but I did not think “oh these guys play similarly” pretty much at all.
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« Reply #2078 on: December 13, 2023, 08:29:40 AM »
He had Jordan Addison who won the Bilitnekoff/was a 1st round draft choice and Brenden Rice who I’ve read could be a 1st or 2nd. Stop making it sound like he was bereft of receivers.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2079 on: December 13, 2023, 08:33:16 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 08:29:40 AM
He had Jordan Addison who won the Bilitnekoff/was a 1st round draft choice and Brenden Rice who I’ve read could be a 1st or 2nd. Stop making it sound like he was bereft of receivers.

He wasn’t.  He had a first round receiver for his better year.  I can’t find any 1st round evaluations for Rice.

Their pass catching talent overall was simply not comparable and it wouldn’t be fair at all to pretend they were.  Fields’ last season at Ohio State about 90% of his completions were to guys who were drafted, and over 70% were to guys drafted pick 20 or better.  Surely that is one of the better rosters in terms of pass catching talent in recent CFB history.  He had 4 receivers on that team picked higher in the draft than Jordan Addison.
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« Reply #2080 on: December 13, 2023, 08:35:06 AM »
He also played in a conference that is notorious for its lack of defense.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2081 on: December 13, 2023, 08:37:15 AM »
And had considerably less pass catching talent, but put up better passing numbers and took fewer sacks.

They’re just not really similar players.  If the Panthers had the #1 pick I think you would see zero “smaller Justin Fields” evaluation on Caleb Williams because they don’t play similarly really at all.
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« Reply #2082 on: December 13, 2023, 08:42:22 AM »
One guy had better receivers. Sure. But both had plenty of offensive talent around them. And one guy played Clemson twice and Alabama once. One guy didn’t. Did Caleb ever play in a really important game?
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« Reply #2083 on: December 13, 2023, 08:43:02 AM »
And to be clear, that doesn’t mean Williams is definitely better than Fields.  They are just very different in terms of HOW they play
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« Reply #2084 on: December 13, 2023, 08:43:10 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 08:37:15 AM
And had considerably less pass catching talent, but put up better passing numbers and took fewer sacks.

They’re just not really similar players.  If the Panthers had the #1 pick I think you would see zero “smaller Justin Fields” evaluation on Caleb Williams because they don’t play similarly really at all.

In a conference that’s historically synonymous with poor defense.
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