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General Category => The Deuce => Spark vs Tempo => Topic started by: Reacher on September 12, 2021, 07:37:35 PM
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About as Bears of a start as you could get. Nagy being Nagy. Fields good enough to put in 3rd play from scrimmage in the red zone, but not good enough to start. Fuck that guy. They will never win with this clown.
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Bears next year number 1!
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Nagy is basically what passes as an Illini head coach coaching an NFL team.
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I hope we get videos of lots of fights in the stands. Certainly not much fight by the Bear D.
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Bears football is back..unfortunately.
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Whatever happened to MiniDitka? He was a big backer of the Mack trade.
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Bears football is back..unfortunately.
Already had one miracle today...Leury Garcia hitting a walk off. Ain't no more miracles happening today.
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Huge pass play for a first down.
Next play: Let's get cute and run a WR reverse that loses 2 yards
Nagy ball.
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This is like watching Illini football.
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Relax.
Both the Illini and Bears will be tied for 1st in their divisions after tonight.
It's a long season.
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Tempo has already given up on his own thread
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Relax.
Both the Illini and Bears will be tied for 1st in their divisions after tonight.
It's a long season.
Vikings stink too.
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I have JimRomeIsBurning thoughts going through me. Too bad I doxxed myself on that one.
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The Ram D is not ready for prime time
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What was that Tom Brady Subway ad?
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This thread needs an Illinikvn post.
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I was just about to say the defense stiffened up, then that happened.
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The front 7 for the Bears should be pretty (as usual). The defensive backfield? Mmmmmmm maybe not.
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New year. Same bears.
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Like the announcers said, the Bears just keep hanging around.
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This reminds me of the latter half of the Lovie era. Look bad for the most part, but find a way to keep the outcome in doubt for a while.
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Has Mack done anything tonight?
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Has Mack done anything tonight?
He pressured Stafford on one play. Other than that, no, I don’t think so.
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Had Cooper Kupp a couple years ago in Fantasy and he was a stud for me, especially first half of year. Wish I hadn’t gotten off the Kupp train.
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Give me some Darrell Henderson here.
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Has Mack done anything tonight?
According to that graphic, the answer is "No."
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I remember when Matt Nagy was a much better defensive coach.
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Can’t see the Bears winning this game unless Fields plays. Not enough firepower, even though the offense hasn’t been bad outside of the first couple of possessions.
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Kick the fucking FG
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As bad as I expected.
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Great showing by the NFC North today
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(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/288/bb7/72884c7f98149bd422e488510277f2b0b9-20-dumpster-fire.rsquare.w700.gif)
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hey guys did I miss anything?
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More of the same
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The offense hasn’t been the problem tonight.
How many points did the offense score? I know Bears fans are conditioned to think we must have a strong defensive game to feel worthy of a win, but winning games 35-34 is allowed.
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Khalil Mack’s stat line tonight:
1 assist
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Khalil Mack’s stat line tonight:
1 assist
Great trade!
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So is there anyone here who still doesn’t think Pace and Nagy are in over their heads?
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The front 7 for the Bears should be pretty (as usual). The defensive backfield? Mmmmmmm maybe not.
Rough performance from their DBs. I thought their O-Line was surprisingly competent.
Never going to get where they need to go with Dalton, though. His ceiling is far too low, and when you chip away at yardage and take 10 minutes to score, your margin for error is so low. That endzone pick is a back-breaker. It also doesn't help that you take 10 minutes to score and then give up a long TD in a minute or so.
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As bad as I expected.
I expected worse, honestly.
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I expected worse, honestly.
Ouch lol
My guess going in was about 30-16 with it being ugly much of the game. 2nd/3rd quarters weren’t that bad. Rest of the game, ouch.
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But Andy looks so good at practice!
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If Fields doesn’t start this Sunday, then Pace and Nagy are every bit as dumb as I think they are.
Bengals at home should be a clear indicator of whether this defense is washed, or if last night was just an off game.
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If Fields doesn’t start this Sunday, then Pace and Nagy are every bit as dumb as I think they are.
Bengals at home should be a clear indicator of whether this defense is washed, or if last night was just an off game.
I expect Dalton to start at least one more.
I don't expect him to be starting by week four.
It's a rough situation for the coaching staff - on one hand, I'm sure they wish they could protect Fields more and give him some more time before throwing him out there. On the other, they're coaching for their jobs.
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I expect Dalton to start at least one more.
I don't expect him to be starting by week four.
It's a rough situation for the coaching staff - on one hand, I'm sure they wish they could protect Fields more and give him some more time before throwing him out there. On the other, they're coaching for their jobs.
Nagy better bring his ear plugs.
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I laughed out loud when I read this on The Onion Saturday.
(https://i.ibb.co/FJGPjQX/305-BF9-FF-ADE0-4900-839-F-7-EEC57-B23924.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k0YdWLJ)
Then on Sunday Jameis throws 5 TDs en route to a 131 QB rating.
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I would be less adamant about Fields starting if I felt there were competent stewardship of the franchise. Instead, I just feel like Nagy and Pace are hoping they can slow play their job security.
Other than just general incompetence, the fact that there’s no ownership of the situation is so maddening. Nagy and Pace are just hopium dealers and snake oil salesmen IMO.
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I would be less adamant about Fields starting if I felt there were competent stewardship of the franchise. Instead, I just feel like Nagy and Pace are hoping they can slow play their job security.
Other than just general incompetence, the fact that there’s no ownership of the situation is so maddening. Nagy and Pace are just hopium dealers and snake oil salesmen IMO.
The good news is the Fields pick will, at worst, be a nice thing to walk into for a new Coach/GM.
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The good news is the Fields pick will, at worst, be a nice thing to walk into for a new Coach/GM.
I’m not confident a new GM or coach are walking in that door anytime soon. Even though they probably should be.
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With Hicks, Mack, and others aging out soon (and Eddie Jackson a shell of his former self); Pace or another GM is going to have his work cut out for him. Fields good or not good.
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One of the worst things about this was the Bears had a great young GM candidate in Chris Ballard in the building and let him get away. Bearce…
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I honestly think Nagy and Pace are reluctant to start Fields because when the wheels come off, they can at least fall back on the “we haven’t had enough time to evaluate Fields” excuse at the end of the year. I think they were just hoping Dalton could get them off to a decent enough start to delay the inevitable.
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I think there’s a realistic chance the Bengals boat race the Bears. I’d be shocked if Jamar Chase doesn’t get behind that secondary a couple of times.
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If Fields doesn’t start this Sunday, then Pace and Nagy are every bit as dumb as I think they are.
Bengals at home should be a clear indicator of whether this defense is washed, or if last night was just an off game.
I think my pick was week 3
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Quite a fall from grace for Eddie Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0tiXbP_AI
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Nagy is coaching for his job. He probably played Dalton because he thought he gave them a better chance to win.
If Fields had clearly outplayed Dalton during camp and preseason there’s no way they wouldn’t be playing their stud rookie QB.
They probably didn’t think their defense would get shredded the way it did, either. Pretty sure Fields isn’t a miracle cure to this team’s numerous ails and I’d had to see him get hurt playing basically for nothing.
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Nagy is coaching for his job. He probably played Dalton because he thought he gave them a better chance to win.
If Fields had clearly outplayed Dalton during camp and preseason there’s no way they wouldn’t be playing their stud rookie QB.
They probably didn’t think their defense would get shredded the way it did, either. Pretty sure Fields isn’t a miracle cure to this team’s numerous ails and I’d had to see him get hurt playing basically for nothing.
He's not, but it didn't take a football genius like Tempo watching last night to see that the offense as currently constructed with Dalton ain't gonna get it done. Their defense didn't play well enough to win, and that was surprising - but neither did the offense. Stalled so consistently in Rams territory.
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...a football genius like Tempo...
A possible new addition to his signature right there.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2021/09/13/bears-rams-fans-brawl-nfl-los-angeles-sofi-stadium/
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you're an avid watcher of TMZ sports eh?
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you're an avid watcher of TMZ sports eh?
Love the regular TMZ show.
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yikes bro ;D
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yikes bro ;D
Free Britney!
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A rookie backup QB being the answer to the Bears’ troubles is the most Tempo take of all Tempo takes.
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A rookie backup QB being the answer to the Bears’ troubles is the most Tempo take of all Tempo takes.
He wasn't equivocating.
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A rookie backup QB being the answer to the Bears’ troubles is the most Tempo take of all Tempo takes.
While I agree with your analysis, shouldn't it be observed that all Tempoing is consistently Tempoish?
I mean, nobody can Tempo like Tempo.
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Valid points. I didn’t think that one through.
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A possible new addition to his signature right there.
Me and Belichick! But I got the impression Belichick lost his genius status in Spark’s eyes when Brady left. I guess that makes me the only real football genius. I’ve arrived.
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A rookie backup QB being the answer to the Bears’ troubles is the most Tempo take of all Tempo takes.
And where the fuck did I say that?
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I’ve never tried to make the case that “Fields cures all the Bears ills.” I literally made fun of Pace for his roster decisions the day they cut down to 53 players.
You have to play Fields for a multitude of reasons. But that reason isn’t “he cures all their ills.”
Come back when you’re ready to have a serious football discussion (and not just take weak pot shots).
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While I agree with your analysis, shouldn't it be observed that all Tempoing is consistently Tempoish?
I mean, nobody can Tempo like Tempo.
You’re the dumbest smart person ever. But mostly you’re just dumb. And people hate you.
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The Tempoing where Tempo seeks to crush his opponents is amusing at least.
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people hate you.
It's true. But look at your bedfellows.
Eew.
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Me and Belichick! But I got the impression Belichick lost his genius status in Spark’s eyes when Brady left. I guess that makes me the only real football genius. I’ve arrived.
You were always ahead of Belichick.
Crazy how he's been mediocre once he lost the GOAT though right?
You should apply for a job on his staff. I'll be a reference for you if you want.
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You were always ahead of Belichick.
Crazy how he's been mediocre once he lost the GOAT though right?
You should apply for a job on his staff. I'll be a reference for you if you want.
Just accept the L and move on.
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The Patriots are probably better if they still have Brady. But Brady is damn smart. He knew it was time to bail. And picked the perfect landing spot.
You’re about the only one who doubts Belichick’s greatness. But just a couple years ago he was the only one who qualified as an “expert” on football in your opinion. You’re kind of all over the map here.
Face it, you’re losing or have lost on every front in these NFL discussions.
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You’re about the only one who doubts Belichick’s greatness.
I don't know about that. I think most of us would like to see some more data from the non-Brady years before making a final decision.
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Certainly having Brady was a big piece of the puzzle, the biggest even. But you guys are smart enough to know one player doesn’t sustain an NFL franchise by ‘himself’ for 20 years right? I mean, Brady had help. And it came in the form of about 4 different core groups.
If you simply point to Brady and say “it was him,” you’re basically saying Tom Brady is the greatest professional athlete ever, and it’s not remotely close. Because football is the hardest sport for one guy to have the most impact. And for one guy to sustain a franchise’s greatness for 20 years would simply make him undeniably the GOAT across all spectrums.
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Certainly having Brady was a big piece of the puzzle, the biggest even. But you guys are smart enough to know one player doesn’t sustain an NFL franchise by ‘himself’ for 20 years right? I mean, Brady had help. And it came in the form of about 4 different core groups.
If you simply point to Brady and say “it was him,” you’re basically saying Tom Brady is the greatest professional athlete ever, and it’s not remotely close. Because football is the hardest sport for one guy to have the most impact. And for one guy to sustain a franchise’s greatness for 20 years would simply make him undeniably the GOAT across all spectrums.
Brady is the NFL GOAT
difficult to compare to other sports as they are obviously all so different, but it could be said that QB is the most difficult position to play in all of sports
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But NFL is harder for one man to impact, so he’s easily the GOAT across all spectrums. That’s the only logical conclusion if you’re trying to give Brady all of the credit for NE.
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In football, no one person gets the credit for the entire team. That what's beautiful about football.
With that being said, it's a lot easier to win championships when you don't have to worry so much about your quarterback. It's even easier yet when your quarterback is really good.
I’ll bet you aced 1st grade math.
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Well, as a matter of fact, I did.
Where the fuck did that comment come from? Jesus Christ.
It came from you regurgitating what I just said.
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So, it's bad if I agree with you. Got it.
It didn’t come across that way. It came across as a “yeah, but.”
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Well, it shouldn't have. But everything has to be a fucking argument with you. I offered my opinion about Brady and the Pats and all that shit. I was contributing to the fucking conversation. I wasn't trying to fucking argue with you, or anyone else.
Fuck it, man. I hate talking football with you. It's always antagonistic, even when I agree. Jesus Fucking Christ.
Talk to yourself. Or talk to PA man while your cock is in his mouth. Fuck
Why are you so angry?
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Fine. Let’s get back to football. Do you think Bill Belichick is among the greatest coaches of all-time (or was he a product of Tom Brady)?
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I think Bill Belichick is among the greatest coaches of all time. Tom Brady or not.
And there you have it.
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Put Brady behind this Bears line with Nagy at the helm and we might get a playoff berth... might
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Put Brady behind this Bears line with Nagy at the helm and we might get a playoff berth... might
No we wouldn’t.
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Now, Tempo, if you would like to continue talking about football, I would be happy to. If you want to be an asshole, and make comments about me "acing first grade math", when it wasn't warranted, then we can end the conversation.
I'll leave it up to you.
So you’re saying I can’t be snarky?
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For sake of discussion, then is Phil Jackson one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time? Or, did he just happen to be able to coach some of the greatest talents the NBA had to offer?
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For sake of discussion, then is Phil Jackson one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time? Or, did he just happen to be able to coach some of the greatest talents the NBA had to offer?
yes and because of that yes
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The Patriots are probably better if they still have Brady. But Brady is damn smart. He knew it was time to bail. And picked the perfect landing spot.
You’re about the only one who doubts Belichick’s greatness. But just a couple years ago he was the only one who qualified as an “expert” on football in your opinion. You’re kind of all over the map here.
Face it, you’re losing or have lost on every front in these NFL discussions.
I don’t doubt Belichick’s greatness and if you think I do you’re even further behind in these discussions than I thought.
Belichick is part of this discussion specifically because I don’t doubt his greatness, despite it being tied closely to the best player ever.
But it seems we agree that it's pretty fuckin' stupid to say, "sure Belichick has a great record, but he had Tom Brady the whole time!" Pretty fuckin' stupid indeed.
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Well, it shouldn't have. But everything has to be a fucking argument with you. I offered my opinion about Brady and the Pats and all that shit. I was contributing to the fucking conversation. I wasn't trying to fucking argue with you, or anyone else.
Fuck it, man. I hate talking football with you. It's always antagonistic, even when I agree. Jesus Fucking Christ.
Talk to yourself. Or talk to PA man while your cock is in his mouth. Fuck
He is very, very interested in receiving credit for his genius. Among the most interested I’ve ever encountered.
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Lol
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Not a genius, definitely not. Some simple acknowledgement that I seem to have gotten this right would suffice.
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I don’t doubt Belichick’s greatness and if you think I do you’re even further behind in these discussions than I thought.
Belichick is part of this discussion specifically because I don’t doubt his greatness, despite it being tied closely to the best player ever.
But it seems we agree that it's pretty fuckin' stupid to say, "sure Belichick has a great record, but he had Tom Brady the whole time!" Pretty fuckin' stupid indeed.
All I know is that lately when talking about Belichick’s greatness you keep bringing up Brady, and what he’s done or not done without him. So what impression am I supposed to get? Why try to obfuscate? Be a little clearer. I think you’re a guy with integrity, live up to it.
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Not a genius, definitely not. Some simple acknowledgement that I seem to have gotten this right would suffice.
Gotten what right, specifically?
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This thread has become hilarious.
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All I know is that lately when talking about Belichick’s greatness you keep bringing up Brady, and what he’s done or not done without him. So what impression am I supposed to get? Why try to obfuscate? Be a little clearer. I think you’re a guy with integrity, live up to it.
I don't know how much clearer I could be.
I bring up Brady, and Belichick's mediocre record without him - as well as the Phil Jackson example - to show just how fucking stupid it is to say "Sure x won, but he had x great player/unit". It's dumb as fuck to try to separate a coach's record from his roster, and we don't even try to do that in most cases. If you go 3-13 a couple seasons in a row in the NFL you're almost certainly getting fired, even if you had a 0-16 roster. You could be the best game coach on Earth, get more out of your players than anyone, but coaches are judged by how much they win.
If Nagy doesn't win, he'll be fired and should be. If he does, he won't be fired and shouldn't be - even if he wins because he had a great defense. Having a good roster is not a knock against a coach and it's beyond dumb to act like it is when you're trying to make a coach look bad.
Yeah, Nagy inherited a great defense - undoubtedly. He also inherited an offense that had finished 29th in points and 30th in yardage the year before and hadn't finished inside the top-14 in either category in four straight seasons. I never hear you talk about that.
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Can you please take his cock out of your mouth long enough to ask him wtf he's talking about? That would certainly help this conversation get back on track. Because right now, we're kinda stuck.
Thanks,
Jobu
Nah. You guys going around in circles is entertaining enough.
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Gotten what right, specifically?
Maybe you don’t have the integrity I’ve given you credit for…
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I don't know how much clearer I could be.
I bring up Brady, and Belichick's mediocre record without him - as well as the Phil Jackson example - to show just how fucking stupid it is to say "Sure x won, but he had x great player/unit". It's dumb as fuck to try to separate a coach's record from his roster, and we don't even try to do that in most cases. If you go 3-13 a couple seasons in a row in the NFL you're almost certainly getting fired, even if you had a 0-16 roster. You could be the best game coach on Earth, get more out of your players than anyone, but coaches are judged by how much they win.
If Nagy doesn't win, he'll be fired and should be. If he does, he won't be fired and shouldn't be - even if he wins because he had a great defense. Having a good roster is not a knock against a coach and it's beyond dumb to act like it is when you're trying to make a coach look bad.
Yeah, Nagy inherited a great defense - undoubtedly. He also inherited an offense that had finished 29th in points and 30th in yardage the year before and hadn't finished inside the top-14 in either category in four straight seasons. I never hear you talk about that.
The idiocy in your comparison is you’re comparing Nagy’s 1 good year to 20 years worth’ of Belichick’s good years. This shouldn’t be tough to grasp.
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Who was a better hitter? Hank Aaron, or Brady Anderson?
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Maybe you don’t have the integrity I’ve given you credit for…
Your lack of clarity and inability to understand what I'm saying isn't related to my integrity or lack thereof.
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Who was a better hitter? Hank Aaron, or Brady Anderson?
You're not this bad at this, right?
Like, you're making fun of yourself here?
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The idiocy in your comparison is you’re comparing Nagy’s 1 good year to 20 years worth’ of Belichick’s good years. This shouldn’t be tough to grasp.
It's not a comparison.
It's an example to show how absolutely fucking dumb using "yeah but he had a good defense" is. And it's prodigiously dumb.
If he doesn't win this year he will be fired and rightfully so.
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This thread has become hilarious.
the Jobu meltdown on the side is pretty funny too
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Your lack of clarity and inability to understand what I'm saying isn't related to my integrity or lack thereof.
Sounds like you’re fence riding to me.
“Yeah but look at his results without Brady.” - Spark Mandrill
“Of course Belichick is an all-time great! Maybe the greatest!” - Spark Mandrill
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You're not this bad at this, right?
Like, you're making fun of yourself here?
It’s a near perfect analogy, actually. You’re trying to analogize Nagy’s rookie year (by far his best) with a defense he had no part in building or actually coaching, to 20 years’ worth of Bill Belichick.
Brady Anderson once hit 50 home runs, something Hank Aaron never did. It’s even more perfect because Anderson’s year was a steroid enhanced fluke.
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It's not a comparison.
It's an example to show how absolutely fucking dumb using "yeah but he had a good defense" is. And it's prodigiously dumb.
If he doesn't win this year he will be fired and rightfully so.
Of course it’s a “comparison.” You can call it an example, an analogy, a similitude, whatever the fuck you want. It’s still an asinine “point” to make. You’d be laughed out of the room if you brought this up in front of football “experts.” Which at one time, Belichick was the only one you could think of.
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If he doesn't win this year he will be fired and rightfully so.
I’m not actually convinced that’s true (unless they crater). I hope it’s true. It should be.
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“Sure, Nagy had a great year via a historically good defense! But Belichick doesn’t make 9 Super Bowls and win 16 division titles without good players!”
That seriously doesn’t sound ridiculous to you?
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the Jobu meltdown on the side is pretty funny too
Death, Taxes, and Jobu meltdowns. The only things I’m sure of.
Oh, and Nagy sucks.
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Much more fitting “examples” would be Brian Billick and Jon Gruden. Two other “offensive geniuses” that only ever won (briefly) because of great defenses. They at least, managed to close their deals.
Both were overrated, and both a country mile better than Nagy.
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Sounds like you’re fence riding to me.
“Yeah but look at his results without Brady.” - Spark Mandrill
“Of course Belichick is an all-time great! Maybe the greatest!” - Spark Mandrill
That doesn't surprise me. You're just one of those people who is incapable of following a discussion like this.
Belichick is the best coach in my adult life, at least. His results are also mediocre without Brady - that's just a fact, yeah? I think it'd be incredibly silly to use that to say he's a mediocre coach. You can't separate the coach from his roster.
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Of course it’s a “comparison.” You can call it an example, an analogy, a similitude, whatever the fuck you want. It’s still an asinine “point” to make. You’d be laughed out of the room if you brought this up in front of football “experts.” Which at one time, Belichick was the only one you could think of.
Sorry man, I don't know what to tell you. It's dumb to keep going back and forth on this. I've made my point; you've ignored and talked past it.
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Your point is “no one wins without good players.” What a fucking brilliant point. A totally useless comment we’ve spent way too much time debating.
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You’ve been trying to muddy the waters for a very long time; incapable of realizing that Nagy lucked into a ready made historically good defense (that he got zero playoff wins out of), and that Belichick constructed and maintained a 20 year dynasty in the modern NFL.
And that the two situations are in no way “relatable, representative, or analogous” in any way, shape, or form.
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When did Jobu become an attack Shih Tzu?
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I’m not letting this shit go. If PA man can bring it up constantly, by fucking god I can too
To borrow from the movie “Jaws:” I’m gonna need some bigger ankle guards.
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Your point is “no one wins without good players.” What a fucking brilliant point. A totally useless comment we’ve spent way too much time debating.
My point is that it's stupid to try to separate a coach's results from its roster, as if a 'bad roster' or 'good roster' affects the evaluation of the coach, rather than wins and losses. I've stated it clearly many many times.
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My point is that it's stupid to try to separate a coach's results from its roster, as if a 'bad roster' or 'good roster' affects the evaluation of the coach, rather than wins and losses. I've stated it clearly many many times.
It’s not hard when it’s a one-off like Nagy. It’s totally doable. I mean, the Beatles had a lot of hits, but didn’t the Bay City Rollers really crush it for a short while?
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You’re basically making the argument that only wins and losses matter, even in a very short window. For a couple of years, Mike Ditka was on Belichick’s level as a coach, amirite?
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I remember when Chip Kelly was a great NFL coach.
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The notion that it’s impossible to separate a coach from his win/loss record (in a short window) is preposterous. We all saw that Mike Ditka (among others) wasn’t that great of a coach once he no longer had overwhelming talent.
Now if a guy like Belichick or Bill Cowher has a long record of winning, of course. You can’t separate them
from their records.
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the Jobu meltdown on the side is pretty funny too
The cherry on top, if you will.
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Who remembers when Barry Switzer was a great NFL coach?
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I’m not letting this shit go. If PA man can bring it up constantly, by fucking god I can too
It has been enjoyable.
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It has been enjoyable.
He’s right though; regarding the Mack trade, I was AOTC.
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I remember when Chip Kelly was a great NFL coach.
college coach?
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college coach?
Nah man, he made the playoffs his first year in Philly (but got bounced first round though). Which means he was a terrific NFL coach. It was kinda reminiscent of Belichick. For like a year or so.
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Nah man, he made the playoffs his first year in Philly (but got bounced first round though). Which means he was a terrific NFL coach. It was kinda reminiscent of Belichick. For like a year or so.
oh I had totally forgot about that lol
was that during the Marc Trestman era of NFL football that I was so engaged with?
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Nah man, he made the playoffs his first year in Philly (but got bounced first round though). Which means he was a terrific NFL coach. It was kinda reminiscent of Belichick. For like a year or so.
Why would anyone continue discussing this when you when you talk past them, misrepresent (or, I suppose, misunderstand) what they're saying, etc.? You're not capable of discussing this in good faith.
If it's about demanding your 'credit' for being 'AOTC', then sure - have it. Congrats, you were ahead of the curve as usual.
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I think I’ve made it pretty clear that mediocre or worse coaches sometimes have good seasons, so yes, you CAN separate a coach from
his record. In a short window. If a coach has a consistent record of winning, yes, that would be a case where it’s stupid to separate him from his record. If Barry Switzer can win a Super Bowl, bad coaches can have a good year or two.
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Ditka had a great 4-5 year run, but once he no longer had overwhelming talent; he was exposed.
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oh I had totally forgot about that lol
was that during the Marc Trestman era of NFL football that I was so engaged with?
For one year, Marc Trestman looked like the mad genius of offensive NFL football. Then suddenly like overnight he wasn’t. Yes, Chip Kelly was around that period.
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For one year, Marc Trestman looked like the mad genius of offensive NFL football. Then suddenly like overnight he wasn’t. Yes, Chip Kelly was around that period.
I knew that hire sucked from the get go lol
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I knew that hire sucked from the get go lol
I bought in his first year, and was surprised the 2nd year went so poorly. I was behind the curve on Marc Trestman.
But his first year with the Bears was by far the best offense I’ve seen in 40 years of watching the Bears.
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You talking Trestman or Kelly? I always thought Kelly would fail. Most college coaches do.
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I remember that one year Rex Ryan was a great NFL coach.
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You talking Trestman or Kelly? I always thought Kelly would fail. Most college coaches do.
Trestman, I was on vacation in Mexico and some french canadian guy was like le Bears hired zis canadian footeballa coach? Tressman? I was l ike Who the FUCK IS THAT and we both started laughing... remember there were rumors about Bill Cowher and such during that time
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Trestman, I was on vacation in Mexico and some french canadian guy was like le Bears hired zis canadian footeballa coach? Tressman? I was l ike Who the FUCK IS THAT and we both started laughing... remember there were rumors about Bill Cowher and such during that time
LOL
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What a disaster of a franchise
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Trestman, I was on vacation in Mexico and some french canadian guy was like le Bears hired zis canadian footeballa coach? Tressman? I was l ike Who the FUCK IS THAT and we both started laughing... remember there were rumors about Bill Cowher and such during that time
That’s funny.
Yeah, I wanted Cowher back around that time very badly.
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Member when they interviewed Arians, and hired Trestman instead? Because Trestman did better in the mock press conference thing?
I member.
LOL oh I remember that now that you mention it, hilarious!
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Member Dick Jauron? I member. He went 13-3 that one year, them immediately got ass raped in the playoffs by the Eagles in the first round.
Sucked balls after that.
That I think was the Run and Shoop offense? Jim Miller got ass pounded on like the first play of that philly game... brutal to watch
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Member when they interviewed Arians, and hired Trestman instead? Because Trestman did better in the mock press conference thing?
I member.
Yeah; that was Richie Petitbon redux. Classic Bearce.