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WTF is up with this Clown World?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1635 on: February 08, 2022, 05:07:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 08, 2022, 04:19:47 PM
But have you let a homeless person live in your spare bedroom?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2022/02/07/how-bay-area-homeowners-can-help-house-homeless-residents/amp/
A lovely way for the landed gentry to block affordable housing development - "oh we could get homeowners to put the homeless in their spare bedrooms"

True story - in order to prevent affordable housing, the town of Woodside is claiming that the entire area is sensitive Mountain Lion habitat

https://www.almanacnews.com/news/2022/02/02/woodside-freezes-sb-9-projects-with-town-citing-excemption-for-mountain-lion-habitats

Looks like they've been embarrassed into trying to find a different BS story
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1636 on: February 08, 2022, 06:37:21 PM »
I guess the answer is "no".
How about a safe injection site across the street instead ?
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1637 on: February 08, 2022, 07:56:05 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 07, 2022, 10:17:09 PM
Maybe they could just spend the $30 million on an overdose reduction plan by slowing the fentanyl coming across our southern border.

The news is not all bad.  Border agents are making some progress in seizing fentanyl at the border.

Border agents have seized more fentanyl in the last 7 months than the year before, CBP says
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/us/fentanyl-seizures-customs-border-trnd/index.html

Fentanyl seizures at U.S. southern border rise dramatically
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/fentanyl-seizures-u-s-southern-border-rise-dramatically-n1272676

1,066% increase in fentanyl seizures at US border
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/1066-increase-in-fentanyl-seizures-at-us-border/

Authorities seize 2.8 tons of meth and fentanyl along California border
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meth-fentanyl-2-8-tons-seized-california-border/
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1638 on: February 08, 2022, 08:21:15 PM »
Way to go Sleepy Joe?
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1639 on: February 09, 2022, 09:02:53 AM »
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1640 on: February 09, 2022, 08:58:18 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 07, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
The purpose of this federal grant program is to support community-based overdose prevention programs, syringe services programs and other harm reduction services.  Yes, this includes the distribution of “safe smoking supplies” to help reduce the sharing of substance use equipment and reduce the spread of infectious diseases. 

Here’s a list other services that are eligible for funding under the program:
•   Distribution of overdose-reversal medications and fentanyl test strips
•   Overdose education and counseling
•   Management or expansion of syringe services programs (which help control the spread of infectious diseases like HIV and
        hepatitis C)
•   Provision of sterile syringes
•   Provision of safe-sex kits
•   Prevention education about synthetic opioids and other substances
•   Peer worker engagement
•   Medical services
•   Case management and referral to treatment

Eligible applicants include States; local, Tribal, and territorial governments; Tribal organizations; non-profit community-based organizations; and primary and behavioral health organizations.
https://treatmentmagazine.com/the-biden-administration-sinks-30-million-into-harm-reduction/
https://www.samhsa.gov/newsroom/press-announcements/202112081000

'No,no,no. We are not going to, nor were we intending to give out crack pipes. Right wing conspiracists misinterpreted alcohol wipes and lip balm as safe smoking supplies to mean pipes.'
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1641 on: February 10, 2022, 09:10:47 AM »
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1642 on: February 10, 2022, 12:40:50 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 09, 2022, 08:58:18 PM
'No,no,no. We are not going to, nor were we intending to give out crack pipes. Right wing conspiracists misinterpreted alcohol wipes and lip balm as safe smoking supplies to mean pipes.'
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Strawman Alert.

I acknowledged the existence of the safer smoking kits in my post (see 2nd sentence, first paragraph).  I also never said the article from the Washington Free Beacon was a “right-wing conspiracy theory.”

I just thought it was important to indicate the purpose of the safe smoking kits and point out that the federal harm reduction funds could be used for a variety of other purposes. 

Safe smoking kits are designed to reduce infections among drug addicts.  The kits have been around for at least a decade (in places like Vancouver, San Francisco, Maryland and Kentucky).  Some have included the distribution of nearly-free glass pipes, even from vending machines.  Not sure I like that.  Safe smoking kits don't seem to be super common compared to needles, wipes, HIV med and so forth.   

This would be the first time that safe smoking kits could be funded as part of a federal program.  Local governments and service  organizations would decide whether to seek funding for distribution of the kits.  The Biden Administration said that the grant program would not pay for safer pipes to smoke crack or meth.  Apparently the kits would only include mouthpieces, screens and disinfectant wipes. 
https://www.fox46.com/health-care/feds-say-no-taxpayer-money-for-safer-drug-smoking-pipes/

There seems to be strong support for safe smoking kits among public health advocates as a pragmatic approach for reducing hepatitis and HIV rates among drug addicts.  Here’s a good explainer: 
https://www.nchrc.org/harm-reduction/crack-use/.

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1643 on: February 10, 2022, 02:25:22 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 10, 2022, 12:40:50 PM
Strawman Alert.

I acknowledged the existence of the safer smoking kits in my post (see 2nd sentence, first paragraph).  I also never said the article from the Washington Free Beacon was a “right-wing conspiracy theory.”

I just thought it was important to indicate the purpose of the safe smoking kits and point out that the federal harm reduction funds could be used for a variety of other purposes. 

Safe smoking kits are designed to reduce infections among drug addicts.  The kits have been around for at least a decade (in places like Vancouver, San Francisco, Maryland and Kentucky).  Some have included the distribution of nearly-free glass pipes, even from vending machines.  Not sure I like that.  Safe smoking kits don't seem to be super common compared to needles, wipes, HIV med and so forth.   

This would be the first time that safe smoking kits could be funded as part of a federal program.  Local governments and service  organizations would decide whether to seek funding for distribution of the kits.  The Biden Administration said that the grant program would not pay for safer pipes to smoke crack or meth.  Apparently the kits would only include mouthpieces, screens and disinfectant wipes. 
https://www.fox46.com/health-care/feds-say-no-taxpayer-money-for-safer-drug-smoking-pipes/

There seems to be strong support for safe smoking kits among public health advocates as a pragmatic approach for reducing hepatitis and HIV rates among drug addicts.  Here’s a good explainer: 
https://www.nchrc.org/harm-reduction/crack-use/.


And the Fox46 link is a story written about the WH position after the backlash and the question of the legality of drug paraphernalia possession.
From the link, "The White House was put on the defensive as outrage from the political right"....

And from another story ...
" On Monday an HHS spokesperson told the Washington Free Beacon that included in these kits could be pipes for users to smoke substances like crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine, or 'any illicit substance.'

Buy all of the pipes you want and hand them out. That's up to you. Or if private organizations want to do it, that's up to them.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1644 on: February 10, 2022, 02:33:07 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 10, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
And the Fox46 link is a story written about the WH position after the backlash and the question of the legality of drug paraphernalia possession.
From the link, "The White House was put on the defensive as outrage from the political right"....

And from another story ...
" On Monday an HHS spokesperson told the Washington Free Beacon that included in these kits could be pipes for users to smoke substances like crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine, or 'any illicit substance.'

Buy all of the pipes you want and hand them out. That's up to you. Or if private organizations want to do it, that's up to them.

Can they use the pipes to smoke Captain Black pipe tobacco?
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1645 on: February 10, 2022, 03:24:59 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 10, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
Can they use the pipes to smoke Captain Black pipe tobacco?
Dunno. I've never seen crack. But I'm guessing "no".
Besides, possessing a meerschaum pipe is legal. Crack pipes, not so much so in most places.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2022, 03:28:12 PM by Mn »
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1646 on: February 10, 2022, 04:23:05 PM »
The White House was never giving out crack pipes.  Anyone who pretends otherwise should be ignored.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1647 on: February 10, 2022, 07:52:45 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 10, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
And from another story ...
" On Monday an HHS spokesperson told the Washington Free Beacon that included in these kits could be pipes for users to smoke substances like crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine, or 'any illicit substance.'

Does this HHS spokesperson have a name?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1648 on: February 11, 2022, 07:03:54 AM »
The original grant language includes "safe smoking kits/supplies".
The grant language does not specify that pipes may be included in the "safe smoking kits",
but the grant language does not prohibit the inclusion of pipes in a "safe smoking kit".
If HHS wanted funding for supplies, don't include the language for kits.
The end.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1649 on: February 11, 2022, 08:43:05 AM »
Your entire argument is “it doesn’t say they AREN’T giving out crack pipes”.

Please vet your sources better.  Stop falling for outrage machine nonsense.
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