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do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #780 on: June 21, 2023, 06:27:45 AM »
Entertaining day on Loyalty.
“Insiders” turning on Underwood.

He apparently not interested in Kerr.
Also refused to pursue Love.

Claims that he doesn't want to be at Illinois.
Boosters mad.

And he offered a 3 star skinny white kid. LOL.


Boosters getting mad is one way to get a seat hot or 1 foot out the door.
And national tv announcers, during the broadcast, questioning our 3 pt offense and desire to turn the ball over late in the season can't be of much help.

The pg issue should have been his #1 priority.
Still hiding behind innuendo and practicing the art of ommision.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #781 on: June 21, 2023, 08:05:17 AM »
I thought we were Underwood’s “dream job.”

Honestly curious.

If you took over a position that had been done terribly for a decade or more, built it back and within 6 years had it consistently nationally relevant again, and the result was many people in your organization wanted you fired because you weren't good enough - wouldn't you at least kind of think "man, I can probably get paid well and have as much success elsewhere where they won't turn on me despite it"?  How much would you like a job where you can build it quickly from totally irrelevant to nationally relevant and the result is you're about 50/50 to get fired?

I wouldn't blame Underwood for being kind of put off by that, I know I would be.  He probably feels like he's done well here, which any objective reading of his results confirms, and instead of being lauded he's constantly under attack for it.

Like imagine you take over an Outback store that has been around the 50th percentile in sales for a decade.  Within 5 years you have it humming, up to around the 90th percentile in sales.  Your bosses fire you because you weren't in the 97th percentile.  Would you think that was reasonable?  I think most people in that scenario would be seriously considering the offer from Texas Roadhouse, who will pay you similarly and is less likely to fire you despite completely turning the franchise around.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #782 on: June 21, 2023, 08:24:07 AM »
Spark is fightin' the good fight up in here! Love it.

Edit: Look, I,  like many others whose eyes bled last year, am skeptical if this guy can move the program to the next level. But, I appreciate the lengths you have gone to keep all this into perspective. We ARE better off than pre-Underwood. No doubt.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #783 on: June 21, 2023, 08:32:45 AM »
To me, the best case scenario by far is Underwood just breaks through into the S16 and we can stop having these discussions (LOL, kidding of course - they've already started moving the goalposts IN CASE he makes the second weekend).  I do not understand the thought process that leads people to hope we start over and cross our fingers hoping the next guy can even get us to where Underwood already has us.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #784 on: June 21, 2023, 08:37:08 AM »
Spark is fightin' the good fight up in here! Love it.

Edit: Look, I,  like many others whose eyes bled last year, am skeptical if this guy can move the program to the next level. But, I appreciate the lengths you have gone to keep all this into perspective. We ARE better off than pre-Underwood. No doubt.

Nobody was particularly thrilled with last year, obviously, but if that's what the "bad years" look like under Underwood, well..  Bad years where you watch the selection show knowing you're not in it are considerably worse IMO.  Obviously if that (or worse) becomes more common, no one will push back on firing a coach that hasn't been consistently good.

I'm not really sure what "the next level" is.  The whinging isn't going to stop if he makes the second weekend this year, it'll just move to the next target.  And if our standard is going to be "S16 or better every year," we're almost certainly not going to be that no matter who we get - because almost no one is that these days.  Going consistently deep into the tournament is rarer than it's been previously, and with the portal stuff is going to be even more rare going forward.  No high major team has made the last four S16s (there are five teams out of 350+ who have made the last two).  Only one team total has made the last two E8's.  Matter of fact, only 9 programs are on a better current tournament streak than we are (I assume most if not all of them would've also made the canceled tournament, but unsure on that).

We all want us to win a title, I'm just very dubious that firing Underwood and more than likely taking a step or two backwards is a good way forward.  The Loyalty guys who want him fired are selling that we'll get Musselman or Miller, and I just sincerely doubt that's going to happen - we're far more likely to get a guy from a mid-major who had one really good year.  I also think those guys are likely to be turned on just as fast during the inevitable complete rebuild.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #785 on: June 21, 2023, 08:56:15 AM »
To me, the best case scenario by far is Underwood just breaks through into the S16 and we can stop having these discussions (LOL, kidding of course - they've already started moving the goalposts IN CASE he makes the second weekend).  I do not understand the thought process that leads people to hope we start over and cross our fingers hoping the next guy can even get us to where Underwood already has us.

Well the fact of Hawk/TSJ returning along with our transfers that "seem" to fit possibly better than Mayer and the baggage he brought along....would point to us HAVING to get to a Sweet 16 this year.

2 Potential All Americans on the team this year and Goode being healthy for once, the freshman having legit game experience under there belts. This team will have HIGH expectations from everyone, themselves and fans alike.

That said, BU is not and should not be fired for what he has done so far, certainly not for the Podz miss......
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #786 on: June 21, 2023, 08:59:24 AM »
Well the fact of Hawk/TSJ returning along with our transfers that "seem" to fit possibly better than Mayer and the baggage he brought along....would point to us HAVING to get to a Sweet 16 this year.

2 Potential All Americans on the team this year and Goode being healthy for once, the freshman having legit game experience under there belts. This team will have HIGH expectations from everyone, themselves and fans alike.

That said, BU is not and should not be fired for what he has done so far, certainly not for the Podz miss......

Good post.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #787 on: June 21, 2023, 09:01:05 AM »
Squeaky Jr. will want Underwood's pay doubled if he makes a Sweet 16. 

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« Reply #788 on: June 21, 2023, 09:06:28 AM »
Will never not be funny to see the dude that agrees with “Squeaky” completely mocking him.  He agrees with you, dude!

The Real Squeakies could watch Underwood make a Final Four and still have him on the hot seat if he doesn’t make it again next year.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #789 on: June 21, 2023, 09:10:05 AM »
Squeaky Jr has quite an imagination.  Every Illini fan would be thrilled with a Final 4.

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« Reply #790 on: June 21, 2023, 09:16:43 AM »
Five years ago every Illini fan would be thrilled with a conference title, but if you say you enjoyed the one we won here since then you get mocked endlessly.

There's simply no question whatsoever in my mind that the goalposts will move as soon as they are required to.  A large portion of our fans watch specifically to have something to bitch about.

The 'squeaky Jr' thing couldn't more clearly be projection.  Why would you mock the person who agrees with you completely?  Like, he totally is on board with all your arguments.  I'm sure this will be the time he's finally correct!

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #791 on: June 21, 2023, 09:21:30 AM »
I guess I have a little different take. I would like to see a solid product on the floor this coming year. Some semblance of an offense, tenacious D (not the band), NOT having long scoring droughts, then having some mad scramble to try to get back into the game. Good, consistent effort. That, would lead to less angry Brad, and the results would be there.

Last year sucked because watching the games was fucking miserable.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #792 on: June 21, 2023, 09:45:17 AM »
Of course the "goal posts" will move. That is how things are done in life and how things get done in life. Point A to Point B. Then Point B to Point C. You just aren't content to stop at Point B (B1G Regular Season titles). You push ahead to try to attain more or do better. If we didn't  push, we would still be talking on Mayberry style telephones....
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #793 on: June 21, 2023, 09:48:23 AM »
And that attitude often undercuts success, as it would've if the UConn analog to you would've gotten Hurley fired and cost them a title.  Perfect is often the enemy of good, and demanding perfect while denigrating good is a pretty good way to end up bad.

I'm not and never have been saying you gotta be happy with just making the tournament forever, but it's pretty clear that more or less nothing short of being 1980-2020 Duke is going to make you stop complaining, and maybe not even that.  Right now Underwood's on the 10th longest tournament streak nationally, 8th longest among high major teams.  He has been a victim of a notable upset once.

This board goes on and on about Underwood being a top-15 paid coach, but only three programs on that list are on a better tournament streak than we are (MSU, Kansas, Tennessee).
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #794 on: June 21, 2023, 09:53:23 AM »
I’ll ask the Underwood haters, would you prefer Matt Painter’s results in the tourney?!
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