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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #705 on: May 24, 2023, 04:34:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 04:32:06 PM
Of course it hurts.  We spent a ton of time and effort recruiting him.

It doesn't hurt more because he went to HS in Oswego or played at a couple mid-majors, though.

Yes it does. I guarantee you people in the high school/college/AAU business in Illinois notice it and say “oh, man…”

Again, that’s not a carrying a pitchfork outside of Ubben take.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #706 on: May 24, 2023, 04:44:15 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Yes it does. I guarantee you people in the high school/college/AAU business in Illinois notice it and say “oh, man…”

Again, that’s not a carrying a pitchfork outside of Ubben take.

How many people do you know in the HS/college/AAU business in Illinois?

Do you really think they, any time a kid from Illinois chooses to play elsewhere when UI wanted them, think "wow that's a bad look"?  Can say in my experience that isn't really the way those folks think.  Some of them might, but I never heard that sort of thinking in my time interacting with 'connected' Illinois HS basketball people.

Had you ever heard of RayJ Dennis before, say, a month ago?
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #707 on: May 24, 2023, 04:50:13 PM »
I’ve heard guys like Bardo, Gill, and Battle talk about it often. They know and understand the landscape pretty well, I’d think. I’d be shocked if they think this is exactly the same as losing out on a kid from Connecticut.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #708 on: May 24, 2023, 04:51:32 PM »
Guarantee you Dee Brown and Ayo think Illinois should be at an advantage with local kids.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #709 on: May 24, 2023, 04:53:29 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 04:51:32 PM
Guarantee you Dee Brown and Ayo think Illinois should be at an advantage with local kids.

And yet..

Maybe you're right.  Maybe you aren't.  You can guarantee anything you'd like.

I'm sure Dee and Ayo want that to be true.  It seems like it was mostly true for them, ignoring that Dee almost left a couple times.  I don't know that that means it is true though.

And those are people associated with Illinois basketball.  Of course they'd be disappointed.  They're Illini fans.

But not everyone in Illinois is.  I knew a number of people involved in HS basketball in Illinois who specifically didn't like Illini basketball, as a matter of fact.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #710 on: May 24, 2023, 04:55:31 PM »
Again…please understand that “be at an advantage” doesn’t mean “You get ‘em every time!”
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #711 on: May 24, 2023, 04:56:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 04:53:29 PM
And yet..

Maybe you're right.  Maybe you aren't.  You can guarantee anything you'd like.

I'm sure Dee and Ayo want that to be true.  It seems like it was mostly true for them, ignoring that Dee almost left a couple times.  I don't know that that means it is true though.

And those are people associated with Illinois basketball.  Of course they'd be disappointed.  They're Illini fans.

But not everyone in Illinois is.

But you are completely ignoring that the “pull” to play for the state program is often a very real thing. It doesn’t mean every kid dreams of playing for the state school. But I can only assume because he visited, Rayj was fairly interested…
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #712 on: May 24, 2023, 04:57:26 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 04:55:31 PM
Again…please understand that “be at an advantage” doesn’t mean “You get ‘em every time!”

But apparently it does mean when you don't get them, it's particularly bad.

Rather than saying "oh, well I guess the Illini brand didn't resonate with this kid particularly and you don't get 'em every time" you said "he surely has people around him and thinks of Illinois basketball fondly being from Oswego, so it's a bad look for him to go elsewhere."

To me the worst 'look' of the whole thing is we went all in on this kid and other schools seemed to hop into the recruitment late.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #713 on: May 24, 2023, 04:57:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 04:56:57 PM
But you are completely ignoring that the “pull” to play for the state program is often a very real thing. It doesn’t mean every kid dreams of playing for the state school. But I can only assume because he visited, Rayj was fairly interested…

Hahaha, we've had TONS of kids visit who weren't all that interested.

And it didn't matter, because we didn't want RayJ at all until now.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #714 on: May 24, 2023, 06:00:44 PM »
Sparky’s argument that Illinois has no localized recruiting advantage is just another excuse making mechanism to absolve Underwood from responsibility.

Go ask an actual succcessful coach, Bret Bielema, how important in state recruiting is and how their staff prioritizes it in comparison to Lovie.

Underwood is a loser.
Sparky is a loser.

And they both are going to be gone soon.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #715 on: May 24, 2023, 06:18:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 04:57:26 PM
But apparently it does mean when you don't get them, it's particularly bad.

Rather than saying "oh, well I guess the Illini brand didn't resonate with this kid particularly and you don't get 'em every time" you said "he surely has people around him and thinks of Illinois basketball fondly being from Oswego, so it's a bad look for him to go elsewhere."

To me the worst 'look' of the whole thing is we went all in on this kid and other schools seemed to hop into the recruitment late.

Apparently the stubbed toe analogy didn’t sink in with you
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #716 on: May 24, 2023, 06:20:53 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 24, 2023, 06:00:44 PM
Sparky’s argument that Illinois has no localized recruiting advantage is just another excuse making mechanism to absolve Underwood from responsibility.

Go ask an actual succcessful coach, Bret Bielema, how important in state recruiting is and how their staff prioritizes it in comparison to Lovie.

I have to agree with you here. Maybe times are different, and the “pull” isn’t what it might have once been; but it exists. That can’t be denied. Or shouldn’t be, anyway.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #717 on: May 24, 2023, 06:24:00 PM »
But it’s “stupid” to pretend recruiting a kid from Illinois is different from recruiting a kid from Tennessee or Georgia.

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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #718 on: May 24, 2023, 07:17:06 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 06:24:00 PM
But it’s “stupid” to pretend recruiting a kid from Illinois is different from recruiting a kid from Tennessee or Georgia.


Would you have preferred BIelema to say they we're going to continue the poor relationship with Illinois HS programs ?

And plenty of recruits take their max visits, which can include schools they have no interest in.
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Re: do illinois loyalty "insiders" actually have info
« Reply #719 on: May 25, 2023, 05:45:36 AM »
Quote from: Mn on May 24, 2023, 07:17:06 PM
Would you have preferred BIelema to say they we're going to continue the poor relationship with Illinois HS programs ?

And plenty of recruits take their max visits, which can include schools they have no interest in.

24 > 4

He did more than “say it,” he followed up on it.

I’m sure there are plenty of high school juniors who take visits to schools they don’t think they’ll commit to. I’d be surprised if a coveted 22 year old transfer is wasting his time making the home state school feel good about themselves for a few hours.
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