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« Reply #180 on: January 15, 2023, 11:13:54 PM »
Yeah. I don’t think many saw two-time All-American and strong POY candidate as Kofi’s likely outcome.
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« Reply #181 on: January 15, 2023, 11:54:49 PM »
Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.
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« Reply #182 on: January 15, 2023, 11:57:28 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 15, 2023, 11:54:49 PM
Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.

“Good?” I’d say two-time All-America surpasses “good” by a lot. Joe Bertrand was “good.”
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« Reply #183 on: January 15, 2023, 11:58:52 PM »
How many two-time All Americans have we had in program history? Two? Three?
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« Reply #184 on: January 16, 2023, 12:19:02 AM »
I used the word good to encompass other players besides Kofi and Ayo that have had success here under Brad Underwood.
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« Reply #185 on: January 16, 2023, 12:19:58 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 15, 2023, 11:54:49 PM
Yep, Brad and staff just keep getting lucky recruiting and coaching players that end up being good college basketball players and win league championships. Just a fluke guys.

One guy. Kofi.

Underwood will never win a league championship ever again at Illinois.
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« Reply #186 on: January 16, 2023, 12:42:40 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on January 16, 2023, 12:19:58 AM
One guy. Kofi.

Underwood will never win a league championship ever again at Illinois.

JFC. I have addressed this before but I’ll get sucked back in again. It’s one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever seen put forth on any fan forum.

Who assembled the staff that brought this guy who had been playing basketball for a couple years to Champaign and coached him out of a deferential mindset and a bit of a butterball body into a chiseled two time All American?

Then, when Underachiever lost his entire staff, who replaced those guys with another staff that won another B1G title, and that pulled in a top 10 prep class, a top 3 transfer class, and has three top 15 KenPom wins with basically an entirely new team this year? Without Kofi?

Yeah there are growing pains after losing all the starters and 80 some percent of our scoring from last year. But then there’s IU who brought back the same team, added some young talent, was picked to win the B1G, and is now 2-4 in the league.

It’s one thing if you’re saying Weber inherited a bunch of talent and won with it then sucked after it was gone because he couldn’t recruit. Because that’s reality. Brad Underwood has performed at a pretty high level at every stop. He’s been stubborn at times and stuck with flawed philosophies for too long, but he has a very solid history of making adjustments and finishing seasons strong. Until the tourney at least. But even then he performed above expecatations with SFA in the tourney. Despite a lack of tourney success, Illinois basketball is in exponentially better shape than it was at any time from 2005-06 until Underwood got his own guys in here. To argue otherwise is sheer idiocy.

Kofi is one dude. He’s an Illini legend. He should have stayed for this year, he’d be getting paid, laid, and we’d be a top 5 team. But bagging on Underwood because he recruited and coached up a player that got us a lot of wins is one of the most idiotic takes I’ve ever seen in my time as an Illinois message board poster.

He GOT Kofi. He and two different staffs MADE Kofi. Attributing Underachiever’s success to Kofi is a de facto endorsement of Underachiever. It’s both sad and hilarious that it’s beyond your perception.

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Re: Izzhoes
« Reply #187 on: January 16, 2023, 12:53:24 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 16, 2023, 12:19:02 AM
I used the word good to encompass other players besides Kofi and Ayo that have had success here Brad Underwood.

I specifically mentioned Kofi.
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« Reply #188 on: January 16, 2023, 12:59:51 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 16, 2023, 12:53:24 AM
I specifically mentioned Kofi.

Point I’m trying to make is there are others that aren’t AA caliber that have done quite well here.
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« Reply #189 on: January 16, 2023, 02:30:57 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on January 15, 2023, 07:58:29 PM
Skyy Clark sucks because his film showed he sucked.  Period.  I can analyze film.  You can’t. 

Ty Rodgers sucks because he’s too short for the skills he has and can’t shoot.  He doesn’t have a position at this level.

Harris has upside bc he’s a basketball athlete. His older age is certainly a question mark sure. Absolutely.

Dainja doesn’t have much upside.  It’s his 3rd year of college.  Look at him like a college Junior.  He’s not a very good athlete.  Will never be a good athlete.

He has one good game and you run your mouth.  Facts are he’s a role player.  That’s it.

And the familiar refrain “they lose bc they party too much”.  I hate to tell you this, but Illinois loses bc they are horribly coached.  They don’t run anything.  It’s AAU ball. 

Once they start losing starts again you can go back to pretending you missed the games.

Well I guess this means that Dainja is set to be another Elton Brand since Dom is almost always wrong
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Re: Izzhoes
« Reply #190 on: January 16, 2023, 07:16:59 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 16, 2023, 12:59:51 AM
Point I’m trying to make is there are others that aren’t AA caliber that have done quite well here.

1. Shocked that he missed the point?

2. Love the switch to "Underchiever" at the end there....
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Re: Izzhoes
« Reply #191 on: January 16, 2023, 08:19:24 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on January 16, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Well I guess this means that Dainja is set to be another Elton Brand since Dom is almost always wrong

Dainja reminds me of Oliver Miller with his length, hands, and ball skills. That was a different era. Dainja needs a better face up game. Miller got out of shape, ballooned to 380 lbs. Dainja needs to stay in shape.

Dom contradicts himself all the time. He thinks Dainja can't develop further because he is too old.

Harris is the same age, but he can develop because he is an NBA athlete. 

Rodgers is two years younger, is a rugged NBA athlete, has better handles and passing skills than Harris, and can guard 1 - 5.  Dom seems to think he can't possibly develop a jump shot.
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« Reply #192 on: January 16, 2023, 08:54:38 AM »
Over the course of time, Dom has gotten more exaggerated and less truthful in his feverish manifestos regarding Illini sports.

Dude is caught in the downward spiral of addiction, such as drugs and alcohol and teenage tennis players
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« Reply #193 on: January 16, 2023, 08:58:42 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 16, 2023, 07:16:59 AM
1. Shocked that he missed the point?

2. Love the switch to "Underchiever" at the end there....

Never thought I’d see the day you became an ankle biter. The previous three posts were specifically about Kofi. The point was no one could realistically expect him to be back to back 2nd team then 1st team All-American.
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« Reply #194 on: January 16, 2023, 09:03:48 AM »
For the record, I’m not bashing on Underwood here. I think he’s been about as good as we could realistically expect him to be. But the fact remains, the overwhelming majority of his success here was with two players. Kofi and Ayo. When they haven’t been around, the results have been mixed at best. He’s off to a weird start again this year, but I expect them to improve. I actually thought this team could contend for a national title a month ago. I hope they do.
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