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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2565 on: June 20, 2022, 01:47:54 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 20, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/17/the-first-amendment-does-not-allow-mobs-to-intimidate-supreme-court-justices/

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In Cox v. State of Louisiana, 379 U.S. 559 (1965), the Supreme Court considered a First Amendment challenge to a Louisiana state law modeled after §1507 and identical to the federal law in all of its relevant language. In a 9-0 decision on this point, the Supreme Court rejected the argument that the law violated the First Amendment. (While four justices — Hugo Black, Tom Clark, Byron White, and John Marshal Harlan II — filed dissenting opinions, these dissents were unrelated to the law’s validity under the First Amendment)."

under 15 U.S.C. §1507.

That statute declares that “[w]hoever, with the intent of . . . influencing any judge . . . pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge . . . shall be fined . . . or imprisoned not more than one year.” While some have suggested this law is unconstitutional under the First Amendment, the Supreme Court’s own precedent holds otherwise, and for good reason.

Well, I guess it is good for the protestors that things like precedent and statutes that were previously upheld when tested do not seem to matter anymore for the fine folks on today's Supreme Court.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2566 on: June 20, 2022, 03:51:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 20, 2022, 01:47:54 PM
Well, I guess it is good for the protestors that things like precedent and statutes that were previously upheld when tested do not seem to matter anymore for the fine folks on today's Supreme Court.
I think the Supreme Court, not the protestors, gets dibs on the final say.
And the earlier arguments here were the protests were protected speech and that the statute was faulty.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2567 on: June 20, 2022, 04:02:39 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 20, 2022, 03:51:09 PM
I think the Supreme Court, not the protestors, gets dibs on the final say.
And the earlier arguments here were the protests were protected speech and that the statute was faulty.

I know they do, but since we know that things like precedent and the continuing validity of statutes that previously passed constitutional muster are no longer en vogue with a majority of the Justices, the protestors may be in a good legal position after all.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2568 on: June 20, 2022, 05:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 20, 2022, 03:51:09 PM
I think the Supreme Court, not the protestors, gets dibs on the final say.
And the earlier arguments here were the protests were protected speech and that the statute was faulty.

There are also the applicability issues. I am too lazy to go back and look at it, so the goodle iirc.

To begin with, they are parading up and down the sidewalks. So long as they are not parked in front of a private home, or blocking the streets, no law can apply. It is  a public right of way.

Courts have ruled  stationary protests directly in front of private residences in general can be banned. Note they are carefully avoiding that.


Also, while moot given the above, the context of this particular law is about protesting at court houses or judges homes with the intent of obstructing justice or influencing a verdict in a criminal trial. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2569 on: June 23, 2022, 09:54:41 AM »
When I get my FOID, I think it will be time to test concealed carry restrictions on the Blue Line....
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2570 on: June 23, 2022, 10:14:44 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 23, 2022, 09:54:41 AM
When I get my FOID, I think it will be time to test concealed carry restrictions on the Blue Line....

You know there's a big difference between having a FOID card and a concealed carry license, right?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2571 on: June 23, 2022, 10:23:40 AM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on June 23, 2022, 10:14:44 AM
You know there's a big difference between having a FOID card and a concealed carry license, right?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2572 on: June 23, 2022, 10:33:37 AM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on June 23, 2022, 10:14:44 AM
You know there's a big difference between having a FOID card and a concealed carry license, right?

One will lead to the other.

But, today's decision calls into question the constitutionality of any concealed carry license requirement.

Hell, SCOTUS may wind up coming after state FOID next....

https://www.illinoistimes.com/springfield/are-foid-cards-unconstitutional/Content?oid=15320108

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At issue is whether the Illinois Firearm Owners Identification Card, or FOID, is an unconstitutional infringement on a citizen's right to bear arms.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2573 on: June 23, 2022, 11:42:04 AM »
Well the FOID card was always a stupid money grab.

The conceal carry license requirements are a good idea, IMO.  The Illinois requirements are much more stringent than other states, but I'm ok with it.  It was a fun 2 Saturdays actually.  Just wish it wasn't so expensive.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2574 on: June 23, 2022, 11:44:30 AM »
Per University of Texas law Professor Steve Vladeck, the decision isn't quite the apocalyptic live-fire zone ruling some may have anticipated, explaining "Kavanaugh and the Chief make clear in their concurrence that the Court is only striking down six states' 'may-issue' laws.  The 43 states with 'shall-issue' licensing regimes 'may,' in their words, 'continue to [have them],'" making it sound as if a simple legislative patch would restore the permitting systems but require applicants to demonstrate a clean record rather than an affirmative need to carry a weapon.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1539980933926977537
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2575 on: June 23, 2022, 12:25:55 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 23, 2022, 11:44:30 AM
Per University of Texas law Professor Steve Vladeck, the decision isn't quite the apocalyptic live-fire zone ruling some may have anticipated, explaining "Kavanaugh and the Chief make clear in their concurrence that the Court is only striking down six states' 'may-issue' laws.  The 43 states with 'shall-issue' licensing regimes 'may,' in their words, 'continue to [have them],'" making it sound as if a simple legislative patch would restore the permitting systems but require applicants to demonstrate a clean record rather than an affirmative need to carry a weapon.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1539980933926977537

Yes, at this point the "shall-issue" licensing regimes are ok. I am sure President DeSantis will sign federal legislation prohibiting those state laws.

What's on tap next? Rules prohibiting legal guns in public (as opposed to private) places (except court houses and government buildings, of course...).

Also, the Red Flag laws better provide for Due Process, i.e., notice to the legal gun owner before any action is taken, or else they will be stricken down too.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2576 on: June 23, 2022, 01:15:46 PM »
Whattya mean you sent text of the bill to the media before you gave it to us ? And we're supposed to vote on it in 5 minutes ?

How's Alec Baldwin doing ?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure these people are serious.
 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2577 on: June 23, 2022, 01:40:16 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 23, 2022, 01:15:46 PM
Whattya mean you sent text of the bill to the media before you gave it to us ? And we're supposed to vote on it in 5 minutes ?

How's Alec Baldwin doing ?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure these people are serious.

President DeSantis is going to say you have to pass his gun bill before legislators get to know what is in it?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2578 on: June 23, 2022, 01:42:16 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 23, 2022, 01:40:16 PM
President DeSantis is going to say you have to pass his gun bill before legislators get to know what is in it?
Sen John Cornyn
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2579 on: June 23, 2022, 03:19:05 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 23, 2022, 01:42:16 PM
Sen John Cornyn

Guess it should go in the WTF is Wrong with the Right thread?

Meanwhile, this guy seems symbolic of how things are going for the Dems these days...

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-politics-florida-tallahassee-ron-desantis-e74382c8ffa12828e512ad29d92d0982

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