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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2295 on: April 25, 2022, 04:00:25 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 25, 2022, 03:35:33 PM
I would have to look into it, and I ain't going to. But I think Antonakakis may have told that to Joffe ? In which case, what did Joffe tell Sussman ?
Antonakakis, Dagon or Joffe may have the answer.
There may be more indictments down the road tho.

None of those guys may even testify given the current ruling.

Statute of limitations has to have passed on many possible claims. The Sussman charge was filed the day before the 5 year SOL ended.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2296 on: April 25, 2022, 04:06:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 25, 2022, 04:00:25 PM
None of those guys may even testify given the current ruling.

Statute of limitations has to have passed on many possible claims. The Sussman charge was filed the day before the 5 year SOL ended.
If it involves more people than Sussman tho, does SOL go off of the last lie told ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2297 on: April 25, 2022, 04:58:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 25, 2022, 03:27:33 PM
All depends on what deal they offer him. Plus, you know Durham wants a show trial to justify the $$ spent to catch a guy who lied about who his client was.

What I do not understand is why Sussman gave the white paper, etc. to the FBI. ... Sussman arguably knew that the data was "not conclusive" as to this specific point.

There are 2 probable explanations.

a. They were pretty sure the evidence, while inconclusive, pointed to something real. They thought an FBI investigation would substantiate their suspicions.

b. They were doing what the Trump campaign and every other political campaign does; opposition research. aka, digging up, creating, and diseminating dirt on a political opponent.

Recall that Trump used blackmail tactics in an attempt to get Ukraine to publicly announce they were opening an investigation of Biden.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2298 on: April 25, 2022, 05:03:21 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 25, 2022, 04:06:13 PM
If it involves more people than Sussman tho, does SOL go off of the last lie told ?

The 5 year anniversary for Sussman's alleged lie was the day after the indictment was filed.  Unless new alleged lies were made since then, the statutes have been blown.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2299 on: April 25, 2022, 05:12:53 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 25, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
There are 2 probable explanations.

a. They were pretty sure the evidence, while inconclusive, pointed to something real. They thought an FBI investigation would substantiate their suspicions.

b. They were doing what the Trump campaign and every other political campaign does; opposition research. aka, digging up, creating, and diseminating dirt on a political opponent.

Recall that Trump used blackmail tactics in an attempt to get Ukraine to publicly announce they were opening an investigation of Biden.

As far as A, the GA Tech guy, allegedly, picked the data apart and said this cannot prove what you claim it proves, or want it to prove. Presumably, and it may be a stretch, the FBI has tech people who are as smart as the GA Tech guy.  The NYTimes, etc. not so much.

B is true (and wasn't Fusion originally hired by GOP candidates to dig up dirt on Trump and then the Hillary Campaign employed them once Trump won the nomination?), but one would think they are not generally giving their data (which they presumably know cannot dispositively establish the allegations) to the FBI to get it to investigate said allegations.

If we are using Trump as a comparator, we are all fucked.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2300 on: April 25, 2022, 05:38:13 PM »
I'll try this again.

The data did not prove what they suspected. However, it was evidence of a possible link between Trump and Alfa Bank. Further investigation was, in their minds, needed to substantiate their suspicions.

Joffe et al lacked the resources to do the investigation. That is why they took it to the FBI.

fwig, the FBI neither confirmed nor refuted a Trump - Alfa Bank connection. They don't know what the evidence pointed to. Could've  been white noise, marketing spam, a Tump - Alfa back channel, something else.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2301 on: April 25, 2022, 06:09:08 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 25, 2022, 05:38:13 PM
I'll try this again.

The days did not prove what they suspected. However, it was evidence of a possible link between Trump and Alfa Bank. Further investigation was, in their minds, needed to substantiate their suspicions.

Joffe et al lacked the resources to do the investigation. That is why they took it to the FBI.

fwig, the FBI neither confirmed nor refuted a Trump - Alfa Bank connection. They don't know what the evidence pointed to. Could've  been white noise, marketing spam, a Tump - Alfa back channel, something else.

Did you read The Federalist article about the GA Tech dude? Yeah, I know it is the Federalist, but they FOIA'd his emails....The argument is that this guy picked the data they had apart, and the white papers built around that data, and said it does not "prove" they communicated. But sure, if you are not a tech expert like me, it can pass the initial smell test.

I get that the white papers were to be used to bootstap the limited data they had to convince some journalist to get the ball rolling. Why give those white papers to the FBI though if your own guy is telling you that your data is insufficient to actually prove X?

Maybe shit like this has been going on so long, and the FBI throws it in the X File, that Sussman thought nothing would come of it. I guess we will find out if there is a trial.

Can Dunham even prove the negative - that no communications took place? Who knows?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2302 on: April 25, 2022, 06:31:58 PM »
Again, lack of proof does not mean lack of evidence.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2303 on: April 25, 2022, 07:25:05 PM »
We may find out more from the results of Wednesday's hearing how things will go.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2304 on: April 26, 2022, 07:23:11 AM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2305 on: April 26, 2022, 02:50:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 26, 2022, 07:23:11 AM
Spark going to be pissed....

https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/how-to-fix-the-democratic-brand?s=r

Made some good points. I dozed off when I got to economics.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2306 on: April 26, 2022, 03:27:36 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 26, 2022, 02:50:33 PM
Made some good points. I dozed off when I got to economics.

Agree, but it is hard to take him,  and his co-author Judis, seriously when their thesis behind their Emerging Democratic Majority book was way way off.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2307 on: April 26, 2022, 07:23:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 26, 2022, 03:27:36 PM
Agree, but it is hard to take him,  and his co-author Judis, seriously when their thesis behind their Emerging Democratic Majority book was way way off.

A couple things happened. Here is my terse, reader's digest condensed version that paints with a broad brush. Of maybe a narrow brush?

The left became more worried about making sure people use gender neutral pronouns than solving economic problems.

The right became gripped with toxic nostalgia and launched a war on woke culture.


https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/hans-georg-betz-donald-trump-populism-republican-party-emerging-democratic-majority-us-politics-news-18211/
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2308 on: April 27, 2022, 02:33:50 PM »
Lightfoot using 12.5 million dollars of City money to give away gas cards. SMDH
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2309 on: April 27, 2022, 02:46:07 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 27, 2022, 02:33:50 PM
Lightfoot using 12.5 million dollars of City money to give away gas cards. SMDH

What a waste of fucking money. That’s not gonna make a bit of difference for some people to get a fucking $50 gas card.

I’m sure the state will make it up by fining gas stations that don’t put the sticker up stating the the Governor is suspending the same fucking gas tax that he implemented in the first place.

Another example of creating a problem and then acting like a hero trying to fix it. It’s baffling how fucking dumb our politicians are.
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