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WTF is wrong with the left?

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ILLove1997

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2100 on: March 09, 2022, 11:40:06 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 09, 2022, 10:39:38 AM
Is he one of the private sector central planners that rig the markets?

you're getting there
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2101 on: March 09, 2022, 11:58:07 AM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2022, 09:37:48 PM
It’s concerning to me that anyone who dares question the double standard of the US when it comes to the Ukraine crisis is labeled a Putin bootlicker.

Also concerning that people don’t think that putting thousands of dollars directly into the pockets of millions of American families for the better part of two years just doesn’t impact demand (and subsequently inflation) at all.

Like seriously, what in the actual fuck? It’s never been more clear that most people just choose to believe what makes them feel the best and then viciously defend it.

So we gave some people money, now they have more money than they had before, and they are spending it on things that cost a little more than they did before.

Were they expecting to get some money but prices to stay the same? You can't have it both ways. I didn't get any of those stimulus checks and my prices went up too. And I'm cool with it, I can stomach a little less purchasing power so people on the edge get more.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2102 on: March 09, 2022, 12:00:19 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2022, 11:19:38 PM
The US drops bombs and mobilizes troops all over the globe against countries and people who pose no existential threat to us and have not attacked us or even threatened to attack us, which is usually the only really acceptable basis to do so under the UN charter, international law, or even what was established during Nuremberg as a “War of Aggression.”

But there’s always some convenient excuse. Excuses that sound a lot like Russia’s for invading Ukraine. In some cases they’re bullshit money grabs to control resources and political favor. Perhaps to further the military-industrial complex or just to justify it’s existence.


At least you were able to post that without getting arrested
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2103 on: March 09, 2022, 12:08:16 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2022, 11:19:38 PM

The US was involved in a bloody coup in 2014 that led to the ouster of a democratically elected government that was replaced by a much more anti-Russian one.

Ah, the Maidan Revolution. When the Naxis overthrew the benevolent leader Yanukovych.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2104 on: March 09, 2022, 12:32:46 PM »
uh huh... suuuuure

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1501232687935332362

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2105 on: March 09, 2022, 12:39:17 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 09, 2022, 08:14:17 AM

I know you feel differently, but I’ve not seen much other than some supposition that indicates Russia actually has designs on reuniting the Warsaw Pact nations under their rule. That would be actual WWIII. This is just about Ukraine from what I can tell.


The Commonwealth of Independent States and Soviet troops in Georgia, Belorussia, and Ukraine is not evidence of that? Plus all Pooty Poots talk about the humiliation of the break up of the CCCP?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2106 on: March 09, 2022, 12:39:53 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
uh huh... suuuuure

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1501232687935332362

I did hear some lady from the Boston area say that on the CBS Radio News on the Hour this AM.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2107 on: March 09, 2022, 12:43:05 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 09, 2022, 08:14:17 AM
China on the other hand…

I do not disagree with your thoughts on the Chinese Communist Party.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2108 on: March 09, 2022, 01:25:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 09, 2022, 08:14:17 AM
Nah I’m saying we could have handled things better. We could have served the interests of the West without coming right up to Russian borders with alliances that dictate NATO will defend them in conflict, and then arming them to the teeth.

I know you feel differently, but I’ve not seen much other than some supposition that indicates Russia actually has designs on reuniting the Warsaw Pact nations under their rule. That would be actual WWIII. This is just about Ukraine from what I can tell.

And I’ve been saying here all along that we should probably quit antagonizing Russia and strengthen our resolve with China. It’s not the 1980s anymore. If Putin goes into NATO territory it’s gonna start a hot war that he cannot win. And his economy can’t fuck with us too much.

China on the other hand…

Plenty of evidence that points to Putin’s desire to get the band back together again. 

Vladimir Putin: The rebuilding of ‘Soviet’ Russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

Putin: Soviet collapse a 'genuine tragedy'
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057

As Putin Aims to Re-Divide Europe, Lessons from the Past Can Guide a Response
https://www.justsecurity.org/79771/as-putin-aims-to-re-divide-europe-lessons-from-the-past-can-guide-a-response/

How the Soviet Union's Fall Pushed Putin to Try and Recapture Russia's Global Importance
https://www.history.com/news/vladimir-putin-russia-power

The U.S. and Europe should have had a Marshall Plan ready to go when the Soviet Union collapsed.   
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2109 on: March 09, 2022, 02:14:04 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
uh huh... suuuuure

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1501232687935332362
It kinda depends on whether you give a shit about anything other than yourself.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2110 on: March 09, 2022, 02:20:37 PM »
Quote from: fucking on March 09, 2022, 02:14:04 PM
It kinda depends on whether you give a shit about anything other than yourself.

or if you're some rich fuck who works from home or doesn't need to be driving anywhere
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2111 on: March 09, 2022, 02:55:41 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2022, 02:20:37 PM
or if you're some rich fuck who works from home or doesn't need to be driving anywhere

You could take public transportation.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2112 on: March 09, 2022, 03:02:25 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
uh huh... suuuuure

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1501232687935332362

WSJ Poll: 79% of Americans Back Ban on Russian Oil Even if Energy Prices Rise
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-08/card/wsj-poll-79-of-americans-back-ban-on-russian-oil-even-if-energy-prices-rise-niT9f6YRH5wRWe4pbhNv

I'm really surprised it's so high. I'm heartened by the unity.  I recognize the numbers will shift.  We just saw a sizable part of the population lose their shit having to wear masks in public.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2113 on: March 09, 2022, 03:24:57 PM »
I don't remember seeing any of these DNCC shout outs over a 2 cent drop since Thanksgiving, and I don't remember any price increases being attributed to Putin until his 'minor incursion' began. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #2114 on: March 09, 2022, 03:25:48 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2022, 02:20:37 PM
or if you're some rich fuck who works from home or doesn't need to be driving anywhere

Envy isn't pretty but it's the American Way. Well, the American way is to be the rich fuck, not the whiny envier.
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