What's the double standard on Ukraine? The Soviets have been encroaching on its boundaries since Obama. There has been low level skirmishes in those areas. Did they have weapons of mass destruction or act like it? Gas their own people (or the ethnic Russians inside its borders)? Invade Kuwait? Harbor bin Laden?
What are you talking about?
The US drops bombs and mobilizes troops all over the globe against countries and people who pose no existential threat to us and have not attacked us or even threatened to attack us, which is usually the only really acceptable basis to do so under the UN charter, international law, or even what was established during Nuremberg as a “War of Aggression.”
But there’s always some convenient excuse. Excuses that sound a lot like Russia’s for invading Ukraine. In some cases they’re bullshit money grabs to control resources and political favor. Perhaps to further the military-industrial complex or just to justify it’s existence.
We topple governments and foster coups and, perhaps inadvertently, create more deaths and instability and humanitarian crises.
NATO has unrepentantly encroached on Russia over the past 25 years (against our word) and then positioned weapons in those nations that posed direct risk to Russia and its people. At least Obama cancelled the missile defense system in Poland when Russia got in a tizzy.
The west has become increasingly involved in Ukraine in the past decade (considered by many Russians and Ukrainians as a natural extension of Russia, if not a traditional territory). The US was involved in a bloody coup in 2014 that led to the ouster of a democratically elected government that was replaced by a much more anti-Russian one.
Obviously Russia felt threatened and moved to retain influence in the region. We’d already been moving east and loading those areas with weaponry, and now we were meddling with Ukraine. An eight year shit show has ensued, with the people of Ukraine being the victims.
None of this is to say what Putin is doing is in any way acceptable. I’m just saying when the US does it, it’s always that we are moral and just and helping the good guys out when in fact we have lost a lot of credibility around the world over the last 20 years. And NATO’s continued aggressiveness in Eastern Europe has without question been a major contributor to what’s happening right now.
I doubt you or anyone else here would be content to stand by if Russia had formed alliances with and amassed weaponry in Canada, Central America, and the Caribbean. And then started fucking with the government of a territory that’s adjacent to us, important to us, and has shared culture.
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