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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #105 on: June 15, 2020, 01:28:50 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.

Everyone can see it and yet, millions voted for him and are going to vote for him again.  Those are decidedly not the people you consistently go after for it.

If you're going to vote for a despicable person to be President because fuck you, that's why - then it's a fair assumption you're a despicable person yourself.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #106 on: June 15, 2020, 01:46:58 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.

Everyone can see it and yet, millions voted for him and are going to vote for him again.  Those are decidedly not the people you consistently go after for it.

If you're going to vote for a despicable person to be President because fuck you, that's why - then it's a fair assumption you're a despicable person yourself.

Ok so we know people like you aren’t gonna vote for him. We know the die hard Trumpists will. So who is the audience for your ire if not the people who can be persuaded or dissuaded by the rhetoric at this point?

One of the major accepted principles of human psychology is that being told we can’t or shouldn’t have something —even if it’s terrible for us—makes us want it more, not less. Most people aren’t always, or even often, rational decision makers. America’s obsession with alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, fast cars, gambling, sex, rock and roll, et al is fueled in many ways by that same principle.

So you, as someone who respects science, should understand this and not be so terribly indignant about it. The only people who will give a shit about what you’re saying are the people that already agree with you. If you want the people who don’t agree with you to start listening, stop yelling at them and telling them how stupid they are.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #107 on: June 15, 2020, 01:48:05 PM »
Good to have Spark back.

It won't be long.  Fuck this place.

lol an overly emotional numale

I'll miss your unhinged orange man bad rants though, they always make me laugh

You're not smart enough to recognize unhinged.  You're a total dumbass, you wear your lack of intelligence like a badge of pride - the worst kind of person.  Fuck you.  You're not worth my time or energy.  A complete waste of space of a human being.

you're the total dumbass thinking conversation on a freakin' message board is indicative of a person's intelligence, but carry on with your morally superior rantings, they always crack me up

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #108 on: June 15, 2020, 02:37:38 PM »
Good to have Spark back.

It won't be long.  Fuck this place.

lol an overly emotional numale

I'll miss your unhinged orange man bad rants though, they always make me laugh

You're not smart enough to recognize unhinged.  You're a total dumbass, you wear your lack of intelligence like a badge of pride - the worst kind of person.  Fuck you.  You're not worth my time or energy.  A complete waste of space of a human being.

you're the total dumbass thinking conversation on a freakin' message board is indicative of a person's intelligence, but carry on with your morally superior rantings, they always crack me up

internet is not real life

I mean... yes, it is.

If you don't want people to think you're a complete dumbass on the Internet, there's an easy way to do that.

"I'm not really a total idiot, this is the INTERNET!" is an amazing response though.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #109 on: June 15, 2020, 04:34:37 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.

Everyone can see it and yet, millions voted for him and are going to vote for him again.  Those are decidedly not the people you consistently go after for it.

If you're going to vote for a despicable person to be President because fuck you, that's why - then it's a fair assumption you're a despicable person yourself.

Ok so we know people like you aren’t gonna vote for him. We know the die hard Trumpists will. So who is the audience for your ire if not the people who can be persuaded or dissuaded by the rhetoric at this point?

One of the major accepted principles of human psychology is that being told we can’t or shouldn’t have something —even if it’s terrible for us—makes us want it more, not less. Most people aren’t always, or even often, rational decision makers. America’s obsession with alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, fast cars, gambling, sex, rock and roll, et al is fueled in many ways by that same principle.

So you, as someone who respects science, should understand this and not be so terribly indignant about it. The only people who will give a shit about what you’re saying are the people that already agree with you. If you want the people who don’t agree with you to start listening, stop yelling at them and telling them how stupid they are.

Good grief. You really think a significant number of real people will vote for Trump just to spite the libtards? I figured most of those were Russian trolls.

The mainstream media is annoying, but not because they hammer Trump. They hammered Hillary too, and that did not help her. They have tried to hammer Biden too. For some reason, it just does not stick.

   
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #110 on: June 15, 2020, 04:36:36 PM »
Man, is Spark bringing the heat with a vengeance.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2020, 05:03:00 PM »
Man, is Spark bringing the heat with a vengeance.

I will be upfront and honest that a large part of my anger here comes from my parents getting sick from, and my aunt dying from COVID-19 while these same dipshits were sitting on their hands or shrieking about their fucking stocks or being able to get a god damn haircut.  And now, if someone criticizes the federal government response to that crisis - or any other of the dozens of things Trump has done that deserved valid criticism since then - it's "you dang liberals just need to leave poor ol' Trump alone you're making people vote for him!  Outrage echo chamber!" If you're not outraged you're either 1. not paying attention, 2. a horrible person, or 3. an easily manipulated idiot.

No motherfucker, I am not making anyone vote for Trump.  The people who would even consider casting a ballot for this immoral, insecure, despicable man are the ones who are "making" them vote for him.  How about we expect adults to take a little responsibility for their actions instead of being like, "the libs are just so mean people feel they HAVE to vote for Trump!"  Makes me fucking sick.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2020, 05:07:25 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.

Everyone can see it and yet, millions voted for him and are going to vote for him again.  Those are decidedly not the people you consistently go after for it.

If you're going to vote for a despicable person to be President because fuck you, that's why - then it's a fair assumption you're a despicable person yourself.

I know a lot of Trump voters. Some might be sort of wrong headed, but despicable is an awfully strong word.

Some are decent, hard working, church going, tax paying homeowners with well adjusted children.  They don't look to the government for much other than road maintenance and police protection. I suppose one could say they are drenched in white privilege, but they feel like they have worked hard, played by the rules, and earned what they have.  They probably benefited from the tax cuts and the inflated stock market. Also, maybe he says some things they were thinking but were afraid to say? Despicable? Or ...

Others are more the blue collar, redneck, trailer court cunservuhteeve type.  Why Trump?  The bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic rhetoric resonates. They actually think Trump is one of them. Like the inbred Loosiers that adored Bob Knight.  it is emotional, not logical or reasonable. It makes them feel empowered.  The sort who use words like soy boy and cuckservative. They wear MAGA hats & shirts, refuse to wear face masks. They think covid-19 is a liberal hoax to get Trump. And so on. Despicable or pathetic?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2020, 05:09:23 PM »
Because you still don’t understand that the pompous attitude and outrage machine is pushing more people towards him. I don’t need to rail on Trump all day long there are millions of people doing exactly that so they can hear the sound of their own outrage bounce around in their outrage echo chambers.

Nearly 4 years later and this lesson still hasn’t been learned.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/uk-satirist-goes-passionate-rant-blaming-left-trump-victory-brexit-viral-video-946919

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2020, 05:11:51 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.

I always heard there was a person who flunked Psych 101 at UIUC, now I've found him.

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« Reply #115 on: June 15, 2020, 05:13:09 PM »

you're the total dumbass thinking conversation on a freakin' message board is indicative of a person's intelligence, but carry on with your morally superior rantings, they always crack me up

internet is not real life

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2020, 05:17:21 PM »

Ok so we know people like you aren’t gonna vote for him. We know the die hard Trumpists will. So who is the audience for your ire if not the people who can be persuaded or dissuaded by the rhetoric at this point?

One of the major accepted principles of human psychology is that being told we can’t or shouldn’t have something —even if it’s terrible for us—makes us want it more, not less. Most people aren’t always, or even often, rational decision makers. America’s obsession with alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, fast cars, gambling, sex, rock and roll, et al is fueled in many ways by that same principle.

So you, as someone who respects science, should understand this and not be so terribly indignant about it. The only people who will give a shit about what you’re saying are the people that already agree with you. If you want the people who don’t agree with you to start listening, stop yelling at them and telling them how stupid they are.

There's actually a pretty strong play going here. Trump's base pretty much can't be expanded or contracted by people switching their ideals. Really, the only way his base will expand or contract is by 17 year olds who prefer Trump to turn 18, or for 18+ year old Trump voters to pass away.

Given this, the best strategy is to massively fire up Trump's base. They still only get one vote per person if they make it to November 3. But by inspiring them to go out and get all freaky at his rallies, more of them will die.

I won't say I like the moral implications of this, but it's probably mathematically correct.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #117 on: June 15, 2020, 06:01:33 PM »
I wonder where hoping Trump voters die fits in the scheme of things.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #118 on: June 15, 2020, 07:28:34 PM »
I wonder where hoping Trump voters die fits in the scheme of things.

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« Reply #119 on: June 15, 2020, 07:42:45 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.

Everyone can see it and yet, millions voted for him and are going to vote for him again.  Those are decidedly not the people you consistently go after for it.

If you're going to vote for a despicable person to be President because fuck you, that's why - then it's a fair assumption you're a despicable person yourself.

Ok so we know people like you aren’t gonna vote for him. We know the die hard Trumpists will. So who is the audience for your ire if not the people who can be persuaded or dissuaded by the rhetoric at this point?

One of the major accepted principles of human psychology is that being told we can’t or shouldn’t have something —even if it’s terrible for us—makes us want it more, not less. Most people aren’t always, or even often, rational decision makers. America’s obsession with alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, fast cars, gambling, sex, rock and roll, et al is fueled in many ways by that same principle.

So you, as someone who respects science, should understand this and not be so terribly indignant about it. The only people who will give a shit about what you’re saying are the people that already agree with you. If you want the people who don’t agree with you to start listening, stop yelling at them and telling them how stupid they are.

Good grief. You really think a significant number of real people will vote for Trump just to spite the libtards? I figured most of those were Russian trolls.

The mainstream media is annoying, but not because they hammer Trump. They hammered Hillary too, and that did not help her. They have tried to hammer Biden too. For some reason, it just does not stick.

   

Think? I know. I’m not defending it, it just is what it is. It’s pretty generally accepted that Trump getting elected was a rebellion by angry middle Americans after 8 years of Obama, so why it a stretch that people might vote for Trump to spite the libtards? I see it every day.
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