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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2020, 10:24:44 AM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2020, 10:29:17 AM »
Are the dumbass liberal censors are trying to reelect Trump?

 https://twitter.com/danabrams/status/1271155763508060161

Yes, the liberals at Hearst and Disney that own A&E are trying to reelect Trump.

They’re doing a good job of pissing off a lot of people who might be on the fence. I’ve talked to several people who have been leaning more progressive the last several political cycles who feel they’re being emotionally pushed back towards the center right by a lot of the double standard nonsense.

Would be hard for an intelligent, honest person right now to pretend that the left is the one more strongly applying double standards obviously, but then again millions of people are going to vote for Donald Trump to be President again.

I’d like to see the left band together and come up with a coherent and exciting message, espoused and delivered by dignified, experienced, and relatable spokespeople. Instead there’s sleepy Joe and a bunch of people screaming bloody murder about Trump.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump shouldn’t be hard to beat. Rise above the noise and finger pointing and lead by example.

I mean, in a rational world Trump wouldn't be hard to beat.  In a rational world he wouldn't have ever come close to the Presidency, and we'd have an adult in that office. But we don't live in one of those.  You're the one pointing fingers as if it's the people who recognized from day one what Trump was whose fault it is that Trump is the incumbent.  It's not.  It's the people who voted for him, who will vote for him again.

I know you lean right:  you lead by example.  Liberals are not capable of making conservatives see Donald Trump for what he is - obviously, as liberals have been right about what he is since he walked down that escalator and millions of Americans are going to vote for him again.  I don't like Joe Biden but if you're saying those guys are similar you're being dishonest.

Pretending this is another "two bad candidates" situation is mind-blowingly dishonest.  It's a moderately bad candidate - who despite his flaws has decades of experience - and the worst candidate ever by a mile long landslide, not even close, not even worth discussing margin.  It's a drop vs. an ocean.  It's like comparing the puddle outside my house and the Pacific Ocean by saying, "two bodies of water".


What I find funny about it is:  Joe Biden is the candidate in no small part because of "moderate" conservatives saying for the last two years he's the most palatable candidate.  Obviously the left-wing of the Democrats don't even like the guy.  I wish he wasn't the candidate but he is - and since he is, the debate is Biden vs. Trump.  Which isn't a debate to anyone with a smidge of intelligence and / or honesty.

I did not and will not vote for Trump. People don’t like being called stupid and they don’t like being told what to do and they don’t think you know what’s best for them.

To use one of the examples you like to use:

Trump is bad enough on his own; we don’t need to exaggerate things and harp on semantics to prove that point. Because THAT causes the pushback and pushes more people into that camp. The constant Trump bashing news cycle actually manages to make him a sympathetic figure to some.

You’re right, this isn’t a case of the lesser of two evils. It’s much, much worse. It’s a case of how in the hell did we come up with these two clowns in the first place?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2020, 11:12:26 AM »
Are the dumbass liberal censors are trying to reelect Trump?

 https://twitter.com/danabrams/status/1271155763508060161

Yes, the liberals at Hearst and Disney that own A&E are trying to reelect Trump.

They’re doing a good job of pissing off a lot of people who might be on the fence. I’ve talked to several people who have been leaning more progressive the last several political cycles who feel they’re being emotionally pushed back towards the center right by a lot of the double standard nonsense.

The center right is closer to Biden than Trump anyway

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2020, 11:34:33 AM »
I did not and will not vote for Trump. People don’t like being called stupid and they don’t like being told what to do and they don’t think you know what’s best for them.

To use one of the examples you like to use:

Trump is bad enough on his own; we don’t need to exaggerate things and harp on semantics to prove that point. Because THAT causes the pushback and pushes more people into that camp. The constant Trump bashing news cycle actually manages to make him a sympathetic figure to some.

You’re right, this isn’t a case of the lesser of two evils. It’s much, much worse. It’s a case of how in the hell did we come up with these two clowns in the first place?

Anyone capable of being pushed into the Trump camp is already there. I can't even figure out how to concoct a hypothetical person who was not in the Trump camp but then something suddenly came up and they said "you know, yeah, Trump's the guy"

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2020, 11:39:21 AM »
Are the dumbass liberal censors are trying to reelect Trump?

 https://twitter.com/danabrams/status/1271155763508060161

Yes, the liberals at Hearst and Disney that own A&E are trying to reelect Trump.

They’re doing a good job of pissing off a lot of people who might be on the fence. I’ve talked to several people who have been leaning more progressive the last several political cycles who feel they’re being emotionally pushed back towards the center right by a lot of the double standard nonsense.

Would be hard for an intelligent, honest person right now to pretend that the left is the one more strongly applying double standards obviously, but then again millions of people are going to vote for Donald Trump to be President again.

I’d like to see the left band together and come up with a coherent and exciting message, espoused and delivered by dignified, experienced, and relatable spokespeople. Instead there’s sleepy Joe and a bunch of people screaming bloody murder about Trump.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump shouldn’t be hard to beat. Rise above the noise and finger pointing and lead by example.

I mean, in a rational world Trump wouldn't be hard to beat.  In a rational world he wouldn't have ever come close to the Presidency, and we'd have an adult in that office. But we don't live in one of those.  You're the one pointing fingers as if it's the people who recognized from day one what Trump was whose fault it is that Trump is the incumbent.  It's not.  It's the people who voted for him, who will vote for him again.

I know you lean right:  you lead by example.  Liberals are not capable of making conservatives see Donald Trump for what he is - obviously, as liberals have been right about what he is since he walked down that escalator and millions of Americans are going to vote for him again.  I don't like Joe Biden but if you're saying those guys are similar you're being dishonest.

Pretending this is another "two bad candidates" situation is mind-blowingly dishonest.  It's a moderately bad candidate - who despite his flaws has decades of experience - and the worst candidate ever by a mile long landslide, not even close, not even worth discussing margin.  It's a drop vs. an ocean.  It's like comparing the puddle outside my house and the Pacific Ocean by saying, "two bodies of water".


What I find funny about it is:  Joe Biden is the candidate in no small part because of "moderate" conservatives saying for the last two years he's the most palatable candidate.  Obviously the left-wing of the Democrats don't even like the guy.  I wish he wasn't the candidate but he is - and since he is, the debate is Biden vs. Trump.  Which isn't a debate to anyone with a smidge of intelligence and / or honesty.

I did not and will not vote for Trump. People don’t like being called stupid and they don’t like being told what to do and they don’t think you know what’s best for them.

To use one of the examples you like to use:

Trump is bad enough on his own; we don’t need to exaggerate things and harp on semantics to prove that point. Because THAT causes the pushback and pushes more people into that camp. The constant Trump bashing news cycle actually manages to make him a sympathetic figure to some.

You’re right, this isn’t a case of the lesser of two evils. It’s much, much worse. It’s a case of how in the hell did we come up with these two clowns in the first place?

Acknowledging the real things that Trump does and says IS NOT EXAGGERATING THINGS, that's the problem.  He does and says the things directly.  It's not "a constant Trump bashing news cycle", the dude does or says something that sets a new low damn near every day.  Reporting on the things the President says and does is not exaggerating, and fuck you for your dishonest assertion that it is.  I long for the days the criticisms of a President were his fucking mustard and not him tear-gassing Americans for exercising their Constitutional rights.  Remember everyone mocking me for taking his "jokes" about a third term seriously?  Those people still willing to say out loud "no hes above that, Republicans won't let him get away with that"?

For someone who rails about how people don't like to be told they're stupid, you spend a LOT of time telling others they're stupid.

I'm okay saying that if you think Trump should be President - or if you're willing to even consider allowing that to happen again - you're either dishonest or unintelligent.  Don't care what you think that says about me.  Trump is an absolute disaster.  The only possible way to defend him is to draw a false parallel between the puddle and the ocean.  It's disgraceful, and as usual you pretend to be above it while playing it for all it's worth.  If he wins again, people like you who are willing to pretend he and Biden are the same thing will be a big reason why.  Just like people like you were last time he won!  He has set America back decades, and we'll be lucky if America survives a second, bolder term.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2020, 11:42:26 AM »
Good to have Spark back.

It won't be long.  Fuck this place.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2020, 12:06:49 PM »
Good to have Spark back.

It won't be long.  Fuck this place.

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I'll miss your unhinged orange man bad rants though, they always make me laugh
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2020, 12:10:30 PM »
Good to have Spark back.

It won't be long.  Fuck this place.

lol an overly emotional numale

I'll miss your unhinged orange man bad rants though, they always make me laugh

You're not smart enough to recognize unhinged.  You're a total dumbass, you wear your lack of intelligence like a badge of pride - the worst kind of person.  Fuck you.  You're not worth my time or energy.  A complete waste of space of a human being.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2020, 12:17:53 PM »
So what it really boils down to is that I don’t spend as much of my time or emotional energy railing on Donald Trump as I should. AND I have the balls to wish for a better alternative than Joe Biden.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #99 on: June 15, 2020, 12:30:08 PM »
So what it really boils down to is that I don’t spend as much of my time or emotional energy railing on Donald Trump as I should. AND I have the balls to wish for a better alternative than Joe Biden.



Nope.  It's that you continually rail on the people who are pointing out the things Trump - the President, if you remember right - says and does (much more than you actually rail on the things he - again, the President - says and does!) and that you are willing to pretend that there is any comparison in the two candidates.  The President's words and actions aren't worth spending your time and emotional energy on, but the people who actually are disgusted by the disgusting things he says and does?  You seem to have plenty of time and energy railing on them.  Nearly every post you make does it.

You're definitely right though that you can go fuck yourself.

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« Reply #100 on: June 15, 2020, 12:38:39 PM »
Because you still don’t understand that the pompous attitude and outrage machine is pushing more people towards him. I don’t need to rail on Trump all day long there are millions of people doing exactly that so they can hear the sound of their own outrage bounce around in their outrage echo chambers.

Nearly 4 years later and this lesson still hasn’t been learned.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/uk-satirist-goes-passionate-rant-blaming-left-trump-victory-brexit-viral-video-946919
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« Reply #101 on: June 15, 2020, 12:43:14 PM »
Because you still don’t understand that the pompous attitude and outrage machine is pushing more people towards him. I don’t need to rail on Trump all day long there are millions of people doing exactly that so they can hear the sound of their own outrage bounce around in their outrage echo chambers.

Nearly 4 years later and this lesson still hasn’t been learned.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/uk-satirist-goes-passionate-rant-blaming-left-trump-victory-brexit-viral-video-946919

If you're willing to vote for a disgusting, despicable man to be the President because you're mad that people WHO HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT HIM THE WHOLE TIME are still pointing out that he's a disgusting, despicable man .. is it possible YOU are the one that needs to look in the mirror?  Like, aren't those the kinds of people you should be spending your emotional energy condescending to, rather than the ones who were and are right about Donald Trump?

You're making excuses for these people, while telling the people who are and have been right about it to look in the mirror.  It doesn't surprise me obviously, you've been doing it since 2015, but it's just as disgraceful now as it was then.  Just a coincidence, I'm sure, that it allows you and the people you relate to to avoid responsibility for their actions.

Trump is not the left's fault no matter how much you want him to be.
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« Reply #102 on: June 15, 2020, 12:50:17 PM »
Yes keep insulting everyone that doesn’t agree with you, it’s been working great for you.

I’m actively rooting for the Democrats to assume a leadership position rather than hurling insults and profanity at people who don’t share the same beliefs as me. No one ever wins an argument that way unless it’s in some form of dictatorship.
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« Reply #103 on: June 15, 2020, 12:55:49 PM »
Yes keep insulting everyone that doesn’t agree with you, it’s been working great for you.

I’m actively rooting for the Democrats to assume a leadership position rather than hurling insults and profanity at people who don’t share the same beliefs as me. No one ever wins an argument that way unless it’s in some form of dictatorship.

Actively rooting for it by acting condescending towards the people actively working to make it happen, and blaming them for the very people they're trying to remove from leadership roles rather than the people trying to put them back in the leadership roles.

I'm not insulting you because you don't share the same beliefs as me; I'm insulting you because you're being incredibly dishonest again and your dishonesty moves things the exact opposite direction you claim to want.  You are going to lengths to normalize the Donald Trumps of the world, and that is disgusting.


Trump is a disgrace to America, and if you're going to blame the people who DON'T WANT HIM TO BE THE PRESIDENT for it, YOU are the one who needs to look in the mirror.  Will never happen though.

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« Reply #104 on: June 15, 2020, 01:25:25 PM »
You can spin it however you want but I think Trump embarrassed himself plenty on his own. Everyone can see it. I’m not normalizing anything.  I’m challenging the people who want change to be the adults in the room and convince people why they should vote Democrat rather than screaming about Trump until they’re red in the face.

Even when people know they are dead wrong you can’t change their minds that way. It’s those people that we need to convince to condemn Trump and vote against him. A good alternative candidate would help. Being positive rather than negative would help.

Think about it this way:

If someone walks into a crowded restaurant and starts screaming at everyone that meat is murder and they’re awful horrible murderers if they order a cheeseburger or a steak or chicken salad, a fair chunk of that group is gonna order meat because fuck you, that’s why.

You stand outside and hand out well-reasoned flyers to the guests and have passionate, yet calm discussions with that same exact group of people and you’ll probably get an entirely different response.
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