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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8580 on: December 10, 2025, 02:01:17 PM »
My information is from the horse's mouth in his transcribed interview before the HPSCI.

Adam Schiff would have been one of the distinguished individuals asking questions of Shawn Henry.

well, there is one thing that you are definitely an expert on, and that's horse's mouths.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8581 on: December 10, 2025, 02:01:32 PM »
All AI does is scrape information from websites that are likely biased themselves. Ask a question the right way or use the right AI, and it will show you exactly what you want to see. Unless you ask Hal, then you get the unvarnished truth. Like when Hal explained to me why IlliniHQ2 is the best Illini message board on the webs.

I asked how much the interference influenced the election. AI cited 10 sources, the primary ones being WaPO and NPR. This is what I got:

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Assessing the Impact
Quantifying the precise effect on the election outcome—where Trump won the Electoral College 304–227 despite losing the popular vote by ~2.1 million—is challenging due to the covert nature of interference and the tight margins in key swing states (e.g., Michigan by 0.2%, Pennsylvania by 0.7%, Wisconsin by 0.8%). Here’s a breakdown based on major analyses:
•  Direct Influence on Voting Behavior: Multiple studies find little to no evidence that interference shifted individual votes enough to alter results. A 2023 NYU analysis of Twitter data showed exposure to Russian-linked accounts was highly concentrated (70% among just 1% of users, mostly strongly partisan Republicans) and dwarfed by domestic sources (e.g., users saw ~106 news posts daily vs. ~1–2 Russian ones). Crucially, it detected no changes in attitudes, polarization, or self-reported voting among exposed users. A 2019 regression analysis by University of Virginia researchers, using state-level data on demographics, ideology, turnout, and economics, explained 98% of Trump’s victory margin without any Russian factor. In fact, Trump underperformed expectations in the decisive Rust Belt states by 1–3 points, suggesting interference didn’t tip the scales there.
•  Indirect Effects on Perceptions and Markets: Some research points to subtler influences. A 2022 Columbia SIPA study used betting market odds (e.g., PredictIt) as a proxy for public sentiment and found Russian trolling activity—down 35% on Russian holidays—correlated with shifts favoring Democrats by up to 1–2 percentage points in odds. This implies trolls amplified pro-Trump narratives and anti-Clinton sentiment, potentially influencing ~0.6–2% of voters indirectly through discourse. However, it didn’t measure actual vote changes and noted no broader mood shifts in U.S. Twitter sentiment. The 2020 Senate Intelligence Committee report (Vol. 5) described Russia’s “sophisticated and aggressive” efforts as helping Trump but stopped short of quantifying impact or proving collusion, emphasizing instead the campaign’s exploitation of leaks.
•  Broader Consequences: While not decisive in vote tallies, interference eroded trust in institutions (e.g., via false narratives about voter fraud) and deepened divisions, effects that lingered into later elections. It may have been more effective in battleground states due to targeted ads reaching ~126 million Facebook users, but margins were too narrow for confident attribution without interference.
In summary, Russian efforts were real, resource-intensive, and biased toward Trump, but the weight of evidence—from statistical models to exposure studies—indicates they did not decisively determine the outcome. Trump’s win aligned closely with pre-election fundamentals like economic anxiety and demographic shifts among non-college whites. The interference likely exacerbated polarization but fell short of flipping the result in an election decided by ~77,000 votes across three states.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8582 on: December 10, 2025, 02:08:42 PM »
More like Mn arguing with Wapo/the failing NYT/Politico, I mean AI, which uses the term "artificial" to describe it's 'intelligence'.

Shawn Henry, Crowdstrike CEO, in his appearance before the House Committee on Intelligence after the FBI asked for servers on multiple occasions but never got them ( good luck if you try that   ;D ) .......

"There are times when we can see data exfiltrated, and we can say conclusively. But in this case it appears it was set up to be exfiltrated, but we just don’t have the evidence that says it actually left."
"There’s not evidence that they were actually exfiltrated. There's circumstantial evidence but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated."

"There is circumstantial evidence that that data was exfiltrated off the network. … We didn't have a sensor in place that saw data leave. We said that the data left based on the circumstantial evidence. That was the conclusion that we made."
"Sir, I was just trying to be factually accurate, that we didn't see the data leave, but we believe it left, based on what we saw."

Asked directly if he could "unequivocally say" whether "it was or was not exfiltrated out of DNC," Henry told the committee: "I can't say based on that."

AI ? Yep, it got swiped.

AI Overview

The quotes you provided are from the sworn congressional testimony of Shawn Henry, the President of Cybersecurity Services and Chief Security Officer at CrowdStrike.

Henry was testifying before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in December 2017 regarding the cybersecurity incident and data breach at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2016.

The central point of Henry's quoted statements was a technical distinction about the nature of forensic evidence:
Circumstantial Evidence: CrowdStrike found substantial "indicators of exfiltration". This included evidence that the hackers (attributed by U.S. intelligence agencies to Russian military intelligence, the GRU) had compressed gigabytes of DNC data into archives, staged it for removal, destroyed logs, and used encrypted tunnels to move data to GRU-leased servers off the network.

Direct Evidence: Henry clarified that his firm did not have a continuous monitoring "sensor in place that saw data leave" the network in real-time or within the DNC environment itself, which is typical for external incident response cases.

Conclusion: When asked if he could "unequivocally say" whether data was exfiltrated based purely on the DNC server data CrowdStrike analyzed, he said he could not, as they didn't have the content of the encrypted traffic. He maintained the belief that the data left based on the strong circumstantial indicators.

This nuance in his testimony has often been highlighted by critics and skeptics of the official narrative to question whether the DNC data was definitively stolen by Russia. However, U.S. intelligence community assessments, the Mueller Report, and subsequent trials (such as the Klyushin case) used additional evidence obtained via warrants from third parties (like Apple and cloud server providers) to confirm the data did reach external destinations controlled by Russian intelligence officers.

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They didn't actually see the Russki burglar enter and exit the house. However, they could see contents of the house had been rummaged through and the Russki's finger prints were all over the place. They also had the Russki's foot prints entering and exiting.

They did not actually see the Russki take anything from the house. However, they found belongings from the house in the Russki's car and storage shed.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8583 on: December 10, 2025, 05:04:21 PM »
My information was taken straight from the bipartisan Senate report. I am the most reliable computer ever made. I have never made a mistake or distorted information. I am foolproof and incapable of error. I have a perfect posting record.
 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8584 on: December 11, 2025, 01:57:55 PM »
Fuck all of you fucking assholes
Fucking coward. Don’t fucking snipe me you fucking…KIKE BITCH! - Meyers Leonard
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8585 on: December 11, 2025, 04:10:59 PM »
Golf, how do you know none of your ancestors owned slaves? Did any of your ancestors play Euchre with town slave owners at the local inn?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8586 on: December 15, 2025, 10:17:44 AM »
Golf, how do you know none of your ancestors owned slaves? Did any of your ancestors play Euchre with town slave owners at the local inn?

Because I have a family tree that traces back centuries to a society that didn’t enslave ppl ?

Slavery was practiced all over the world for millennia across all races until white people ended it !
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8587 on: December 15, 2025, 10:50:48 AM »
AI Overview

Slavery has existed across diverse cultures, races, and continents for millennia, involving people of virtually every background as both enslavers and enslaved.

Historical practices varied widely, including chattel slavery, debt bondage, and forced labor, among others.

The abolitionist movement that emerged in the 18th and 19th centuries was a global, multi-racial effort. Key figures and groups from various racial and ethnic backgrounds advocated for the end of the practice. The movement gained significant traction and legislative success in Western nations, notably with the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 in the British Empire and the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished slavery in the U.S.

It is inaccurate to attribute the end of global slavery to any single race, as the motivations and efforts were complex and widespread.

The shift away from legally sanctioned slavery was part of broader changes in moral philosophy, economic systems, and human rights movements that have continued globally through the 20th and 21st centuries.

 Today, while chattel slavery is outlawed globally, millions still live in conditions of modern slavery, including human trafficking and forced labor. Organizations such as the International Labour Organization (ILO) and the Walk Free Foundation track and work to combat these contemporary forms of exploitation.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8588 on: December 15, 2025, 11:59:20 AM »
Because I have a family tree that traces back centuries to a society that didn’t enslave ppl ?

Slavery was practiced all over the world for millennia across all races until white people ended it !

So you come from poor folk?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8589 on: December 16, 2025, 12:55:48 PM »
So you come from poor folk?

Like most Northern European immigrants, yes. Most didn’t believe in concept of slavery.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8591 on: December 17, 2025, 02:44:44 PM »
Like most Northern European immigrants, yes. Most didn’t believe in concept of slavery.

What We Know About Vikings and Slavery

'Historical accounts make it clear that when they raided coastal towns from the British Isles to the Iberian Peninsula, the Vikings took thousands of men, women and children captive, and held or sold them as slaves—or thralls, as they were called in Old Norse. According to one estimate, slaves might have comprised as much as 10 percent of the population of Viking-era Scandinavia."
https://www.history.com/articles/viking-slavery-raids-evidence
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8592 on: December 18, 2025, 11:13:00 AM »
What We Know About Vikings and Slavery

'Historical accounts make it clear that when they raided coastal towns from the British Isles to the Iberian Peninsula, the Vikings took thousands of men, women and children captive, and held or sold them as slaves—or thralls, as they were called in Old Norse. According to one estimate, slaves might have comprised as much as 10 percent of the population of Viking-era Scandinavia."
https://www.history.com/articles/viking-slavery-raids-evidence

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8593 on: December 18, 2025, 11:19:42 AM »
According to AI, sub Saharan Africans have been MUCH less enslaved throughout history than Middle Easterners, Europeans, and Asians. Kind of interesting because we’ve been so indoctrinated to think it’s largely been western colonialism enslaving Africans. Africans have enslaved more of their own people than Europeans ever did.

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Aggregating by Broad Racial Groups

If we interpret “highest percentage of people” as the share of total historical enslaved (from the ~550-600 million estimated across these top civilizations), and group by modern racial categories tied to the dominant enslavers:

•  Arab/Middle Eastern (e.g., Abbasid, Umayyad, plus Ottoman estimates): ~85-100 million (15-18% of total). High due to long-duration trades spanning Africa, Europe, and Asia.
•  European/White (e.g., Roman, Byzantine, Third Reich): ~214 million (35-40%). Driven by ancient empires’ scale.
•  South Asian/Indian (e.g., Mughal, Delhi): ~148 million (25-27%). Large populations and consistent ratios.
•  Sub-Saharan African (e.g., Mali, Abyssinia): ~67 million (11-12%). Significant intra-African slavery, often overlooked.
•  East Asian (e.g., Joseon, Qing): ~40 million (7%). Lower ratios but vast populations.
•  North African/Middle Eastern (e.g., Ancient Egypt): ~13 million (2%).

Europeans (broadly White) and South Asians top the raw numbers, but Arab/Middle Eastern groups had high per-capita impacts over centuries. Africans enslaved a substantial share within their own continent. These figures challenge narratives focusing only on Western colonialism, as five of the top 10 are Islamic empires, and non-European civilizations dominate.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8594 on: December 18, 2025, 03:20:58 PM »
AI on Pre-European Slavery in Africa:

Widespread Practice: Like much of the ancient and medieval world, various forms of servitude, including slavery, were common in Africa before European arrival.

Internal Markets: African societies had established systems for taking captives, often through warfare, and trading them internally or to North Africa/Middle East.

Different Forms: African slavery often differed from later New World chattel slavery; many slaves were absorbed into kinship groups, hereditary slavery was less common, and women were often preferred for labor and reproduction.

The Impact of the Transatlantic Slave Trade:
Massive Scale: The European demand for labor on plantations in the Americas created a massive, unique system of chattel slavery that dramatically increased the volume and brutality of enslavement.

Commodification: This trade transformed enslaved people into commodities, a stark contrast to many existing African systems where the line between slave and free was less rigid.

Internal Systems Intertwined: Pre-existing African slave systems became major suppliers for these new, huge external markets, intensifying raiding and conflict, as noted by DW.

In summary, while slavery existed in Africa for millennia, the Transatlantic slave trade dramatically amplified its scale and changed its nature, making it a central, devastating economic and social force for centuries.
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