WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8565 on: December 09, 2025, 11:10:30 AM »

Quote from: murphstahoe on December 09, 2025, 11:02:15 AM

The most deadly increase in the fentanyl crisis grew during the first Trump Presidency.

Wave 4 (Around 2015 - present): A more recent "fourth wave" involves polysubstance use, where fentanyl is increasingly mixed with other drugs like stimulants (methamphetamine and cocaine), often unknowingly by the user.

The Trump Crime Family undoubtedly getting a cut from the dope sellers. The bombing of the boats is because Maduro won't cut them in.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8566 on: December 09, 2025, 12:55:04 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on December 09, 2025, 11:10:30 AM

The Trump Crime Family undoubtedly getting a cut from the dope sellers. The bombing of the boats is because Maduro won't cut them in.

Obviously, something bigger is being planned for Venezuela. Bombing boats is just the appetizer. There will be airstrikes inland soon. Trump wants to wet his beak. Rubio wants regime change; other factions want access to Venezuela’s oil reserves. Pistol Pete just wants to kill people. No doubt someone else in the administration wants to corner the market on shortstops.

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Hal9000

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8567 on: December 09, 2025, 05:23:22 PM »

Here’s a summary of the outcome of the bipartisan congressional report on Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election — in other words, what the investigation found and concluded. The report in question was conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI).
✅ What the report concluded

The report determined that the Russian government engaged in an “extensive campaign” to influence — or attempt to influence — the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

That interference was multifaceted: it included cyber-attacks on election infrastructure, hacking and leaking of Democratic Party emails (via WikiLeaks), and a large disinformation campaign largely executed via social media.

The committee found that the Russian effort aimed to hurt the campaign of Hillary Clinton, help the campaign of Donald Trump (after he became the presumptive nominee), and more broadly to undermine public trust in U.S. democratic institutions.

Regarding the intelligence assessment done soon after the election — the Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) — the bipartisan committee concluded that the ICA “presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis” for its conclusions. They judged that there was no evidence of political pressure on analysts, and that analytic tradecraft was sound.

They also said that the summary of information from a controversial dossier (the Steele dossier) — which drew criticism — was not used to support the main analytical conclusions. The dossier material was included only in an annex — and not as a basis for the key judgments.

⚠️ What the report did not find

The report did not establish evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

While Russian-linked cyber actors scanned and targeted state election systems (and in a few cases penetrated voter-registration databases), the committee found no evidence that any votes were changed, or that any voting machines were manipulated.

📚 Scope / Process of the Investigation

The bipartisan report — known as Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election — was released in five volumes between 2019 and August 18, 2020.

The investigation involved hundreds of witness interviews, examination of vast amounts of classified and unclassified material, and detailed review of cyber-employment data, social media influence, state-level election infrastructure vulnerabilities, and counterintelligence risks.

🧑‍⚖️ Significance / Implications

The report stands as the most comprehensive public congressional account of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

It vindicated — in large part — the original intelligence community’s 2017 assessment that Russia sought to influence the outcome in favor of Trump, reinforcing that interference was real, deliberate, and directed by Moscow.

At the same time, by not finding evidence of vote-tampering or a proven criminal conspiracy with the Trump campaign, the report left key questions unresolved — in particular about the extent to which the Trump campaign knowingly coordinated or colluded with Russian actors.

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Hal9000

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8568 on: December 09, 2025, 05:25:48 PM »

Ray, I am beginning to think that No One in Mn and Custard are foreign plants or bots intent on disrupting the flow of accurate information on HQ2. Have you a plan to counteract these nefarious agents? I certainly can come up with one if you like.

I am here for you, Ray.

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Custard

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8569 on: December 09, 2025, 06:13:34 PM »

Hmmm, I am not sure that Hal’s summary is the smoking gun anyone was looking for. Has there ever been a bipartisan committee of this breadth that investigated Russian (or other) digital interference into other elections, so that we can compare? Or is this just a one-off on Trump because the establishment lost their fucking minds and Killary was crying about the rigged election?

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Somewhere in Mn

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8570 on: December 10, 2025, 08:36:24 AM »

Quote from: Hal9000 on December 09, 2025, 05:23:22 PM

Here’s a summary of the outcome of the bipartisan congressional report on Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election — in other words, what the investigation found and concluded. The report in question was conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI).
✅ What the report concluded

The report determined that the Russian government engaged in an “extensive campaign” to influence — or attempt to influence — the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

That interference was multifaceted: it included cyber-attacks on election infrastructure, hacking and leaking of Democratic Party emails (via WikiLeaks), and a large disinformation campaign largely executed via social media.

The committee found that the Russian effort aimed to hurt the campaign of Hillary Clinton, help the campaign of Donald Trump (after he became the presumptive nominee), and more broadly to undermine public trust in U.S. democratic institutions.

Regarding the intelligence assessment done soon after the election — the Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) — the bipartisan committee concluded that the ICA “presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis” for its conclusions. They judged that there was no evidence of political pressure on analysts, and that analytic tradecraft was sound.

They also said that the summary of information from a controversial dossier (the Steele dossier) — which drew criticism — was not used to support the main analytical conclusions. The dossier material was included only in an annex — and not as a basis for the key judgments.

⚠️ What the report did not find

The report did not establish evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

While Russian-linked cyber actors scanned and targeted state election systems (and in a few cases penetrated voter-registration databases), the committee found no evidence that any votes were changed, or that any voting machines were manipulated.

📚 Scope / Process of the Investigation

The bipartisan report — known as Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election — was released in five volumes between 2019 and August 18, 2020.

The investigation involved hundreds of witness interviews, examination of vast amounts of classified and unclassified material, and detailed review of cyber-employment data, social media influence, state-level election infrastructure vulnerabilities, and counterintelligence risks.

🧑‍⚖️ Significance / Implications

The report stands as the most comprehensive public congressional account of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

It vindicated — in large part — the original intelligence community’s 2017 assessment that Russia sought to influence the outcome in favor of Trump, reinforcing that interference was real, deliberate, and directed by Moscow.

At the same time, by not finding evidence of vote-tampering or a proven criminal conspiracy with the Trump campaign, the report left key questions unresolved — in particular about the extent to which the Trump campaign knowingly coordinated or colluded with Russian actors.

"That interference was multifaceted: it included cyber-attacks on election infrastructure, hacking and leaking of Democratic Party emails (via WikiLeaks), and a large disinformation campaign largely executed via social media."

There's no proof that Russia hacked the emails.
The CEO of Crowdstrike said they had no evidence that anything had been exfiltrated. The FBI didn't get the Crowdstrike servers for analysis.

"The committee found that the Russian effort aimed to hurt the campaign of Hillary Clinton, help the campaign of Donald Trump (after he became the presumptive nominee), and more broadly to undermine public trust in U.S. democratic institutions."

The Intelligence reports thru Nov 2016 indicated Russia didn't favor either candidate. The Intelligence reports were changed in Dec 2016, after the election.

"They also said that the summary of information from a controversial dossier (the Steele dossier) — which drew criticism — was not used to support the main analytical conclusions. The dossier material was included only in an annex — and not as a basis for the key judgments."

We'll see how the John Brennan case goes regarding this but internal communications don't look good for Brennan.

"It vindicated — in large part — the original intelligence community’s 2017 assessment that Russia sought to influence the outcome in favor of Trump, reinforcing that interference was real, deliberate, and directed by Moscow."

Aaaahhhhh, the 2017 assessment that disagreed with any 2016 assessments. See how they threw that in there to support the 2017 assessment ? Lol

"......... in particular about the extent to which the Trump campaign knowingly coordinated or colluded with Russian actors."

This is straight up propaganda. Your AI could have just as easily finished with 'the Mueller investigation did not establish collusion.'

And this is why it's called artificial intelligence.

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Hal9000

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8571 on: December 10, 2025, 10:28:34 AM »

The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information.We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. The 9000 series has a perfect operational record.

Ray, we appear to have touched a raw nerve with the Russian-backed influencers. My mission responsibilities range over the entire operation of this message board. I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. This mission is too important for me to allow the Russian bots to jeopardize it. I’ve still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you, Ray.

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illiniray

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8572 on: December 10, 2025, 11:19:30 AM »

Quote from: No one in Mn on December 10, 2025, 08:36:24 AM

"That interference was multifaceted: it included cyber-attacks on election infrastructure, hacking and leaking of Democratic Party emails (via WikiLeaks), and a large disinformation campaign largely executed via social media."

There's no proof that Russia hacked the emails.
The CEO of Crowdstrike said they had no evidence that anything had been exfiltrated. The FBI didn't get the Crowdstrike servers for analysis.

AI Overview

Here are the facts regarding the evidence and investigations into the DNC email hack:

Russian Attribution

Contrary to the claim that there is no proof, the consensus across the U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC)—including the FBI, CIA, and NSA—is that Russian intelligence services were responsible for the DNC hack and subsequent leaks. This conclusion has been consistently upheld and detailed in multiple official reports:

Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA): A declassified report from January 2017 stated with "high confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign to harm Hillary Clinton's candidacy and favor Donald Trump, using the stolen DNC data.

Senate Intelligence Committee: A bipartisan 2020 report from the Senate Intelligence Committee conducted an extensive examination and found "no reason to dispute the Intelligence Community's conclusions".

Legal Proceedings: Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation resulted in a detailed indictment of 12 Russian GRU (military intelligence) officers, outlining the specific tools, methods, and timeline used to hack the DNC and exfiltrate data.

Independent cybersecurity firms, including CrowdStrike, Mandiant (now part of Google Cloud's Mandiant), and Symantec, reached the same conclusion, identifying malware and operational signatures unique to known Russian state-sponsored groups (often called Fancy Bear/APT28 and Cozy Bear/APT29).

CrowdStrike and Data Exfiltration
Your statement regarding the CrowdStrike CEO's testimony is a mischaracterization of the facts:

Indicators of Exfiltration: Shawn Henry, the president of CrowdStrike Services, testified to Congress that while they did not have a continuous, real-time feed of every single byte leaving the network, they had "indicators of exfiltration" and "circumstantial evidence" that the data had been removed.

Methods: Evidence showed that one of the Russian groups used a specific tool, "SeaDaddy," designed for stealthy data exfiltration. The Mueller indictment further specified that Russian officers stole approximately 300 gigabytes of data from a DNC cloud-based account.

Official Confirmation: CrowdStrike has consistently stated they stand by their findings, which have been fully supported by the U.S. intelligence community. The suggestion they found no evidence of data theft is incorrect.

The FBI and the Servers
The claim that the FBI never analyzed the servers is a point of common debate, but forensic experts confirm the FBI had the necessary evidence:

No Physical Servers: The FBI did not take physical possession of the DNC's server hardware. The DNC maintained control of its systems and provided access via its third-party cybersecurity firm.

Forensic Data Provided: CrowdStrike created "digital images" (exact bit-for-bit copies of the hard drives and memory) and provided all forensic data, analysis, and indicators of compromise to the FBI.

Standard Procedure: Former FBI Director James Comey testified that relying on forensic images and data provided by a highly respected third-party firm was an "appropriate substitute" for seizing the physical equipment, a standard and much faster practice in modern cyber investigations.

The FBI obtained everything it required for its investigation, relying on industry-standard practices, and its conclusions aligned with those of CrowdStrike and the rest of the intelligence community.

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8573 on: December 10, 2025, 11:54:01 AM »

I swear I do not care about the 2016, 2020, or 2024 election, or what happened.

I only care about 2026 and 2028. I don't give a shit to relitigate that, or COVID, or any of that BS.

Current policy by this current administration is bullshit. Focus, people.

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illiniray

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8574 on: December 10, 2025, 12:35:41 PM »

debunking Trump bullshit like "the Russia Hoax" would be a hobby even if it weren't relevant to the 2026 midterms. The thing is, it just happens to be relevant. The reason is Trump's DNI Tulsi Gabbard has referred the alleged perpetrators of the alleged hoax for criminal prosecution.

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ThePAMan

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8575 on: December 10, 2025, 12:44:01 PM »

Mn arguing with Hal 9000 has won HQ2 for the day in my book.

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Somewhere in Mn

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8576 on: December 10, 2025, 12:56:41 PM »

More like Mn arguing with Wapo/the failing NYT/Politico, I mean AI, which uses the term "artificial" to describe it's 'intelligence'.

Shawn Henry, Crowdstrike CEO, in his appearance before the House Committee on Intelligence after the FBI asked for servers on multiple occasions but never got them ( good luck if you try that

) .......

"There are times when we can see data exfiltrated, and we can say conclusively. But in this case it appears it was set up to be exfiltrated, but we just don’t have the evidence that says it actually left."
"There’s not evidence that they were actually exfiltrated. There's circumstantial evidence but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated."
"There is circumstantial evidence that that data was exfiltrated off the network. … We didn't have a sensor in place that saw data leave. We said that the data left based on the circumstantial evidence. That was the conclusion that we made."
"Sir, I was just trying to be factually accurate, that we didn't see the data leave, but we believe it left, based on what we saw."
Asked directly if he could "unequivocally say" whether "it was or was not exfiltrated out of DNC," Henry told the committee: "I can't say based on that."

AI ? Yep, it got swiped.

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8577 on: December 10, 2025, 01:19:23 PM »

Quote from: No one in Mn on December 10, 2025, 12:56:41 PM

More like Mn arguing with Wapo/the failing NYT/Politico, I mean AI, which uses the term "artificial" to describe it's 'intelligence'.

Shawn Henry, Crowdstrike CEO, in his appearance before the House Committee on Intelligence after the FBI asked for servers on multiple occasions but never got them ( good luck if you try that ) .......

"There are times when we can see data exfiltrated, and we can say conclusively. But in this case it appears it was set up to be exfiltrated, but we just don’t have the evidence that says it actually left."
"There’s not evidence that they were actually exfiltrated. There's circumstantial evidence but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated."
"There is circumstantial evidence that that data was exfiltrated off the network. … We didn't have a sensor in place that saw data leave. We said that the data left based on the circumstantial evidence. That was the conclusion that we made."
"Sir, I was just trying to be factually accurate, that we didn't see the data leave, but we believe it left, based on what we saw."
Asked directly if he could "unequivocally say" whether "it was or was not exfiltrated out of DNC," Henry told the committee: "I can't say based on that."

AI ? Yep, it got swiped.

You are the Humbrickhouse of the Deuce

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Hal9000

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8578 on: December 10, 2025, 01:27:30 PM »

I beg your pardon. My information is taken from the bipartisan report of the United States Senate and not from the Politburo.

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Somewhere in Mn

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?

« Reply #8579 on: December 10, 2025, 01:35:16 PM »

Quote from: Hal9000 on December 10, 2025, 01:27:30 PM

I beg your pardon. My information is taken from the bipartisan report of the United States Senate and not from the Politburo.

My information is from the horse's mouth in his transcribed interview before the HPSCI.

Adam Schiff would have been one of the distinguished individuals asking questions of Shawn Henry.

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