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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8250 on: October 03, 2025, 12:46:25 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 03, 2025, 11:17:19 AM
Remember when Obama shut down the government for 16 days to force Obamacare, the most expensive healthcare legislation ever passed? Murph gripes about Trump getting into his pocketbook, I was self employed and my insurance company dropped health coverage after it passed, so I had to sign up with another company for 4x the amount. That was fun as I was just really trying to get established. I was told I shouldn’t gripe though because it was for the greater good.

Nice try with the Obama story.  The government shutdown in 2013 was triggered by a conflict where House Republicans attempted to defund or delay the ACA.  This opposition, not Obama, threatened to halt parts of the government's operations related to the ACA.

It doesn’t mean squat today.  Under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, a large number of Americans are expected to lose their subsidies for ACA insurance.  Without enhanced subsidies, out-of-pocket premium payments for ACA enrollees may rise by an average of over 75% in 2026, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. 

The Trump administration’s solution is to allow a hardship exemption for people who lose ACA coverage to buy low-premium, high-deductible "catastrophic plans.”  However, in 2026, these plans will have deductibles over $10,000.  With Marketplace subsidies ending, premiums may be as high or higher than for better coverage. These plans are unsuitable for those with chronic conditions (e.g., asthma or diabetes) or ongoing care needs like chemotherapy.

Another "solution" from the Trump administration is allowing consumers to purchase "short-term health insurance plans."  Unlike ACA-compliant plans, short-term plans are not mandated to cover essential health benefits, including maternity care, mental health services, and prescription drugs. In addition, these plans may vary in coverage based on pre-existing conditions and can include annual or lifetime coverage limits.

Nobody likes "stunts" and "show votes" for media attention, which does little in the way of advancing policy.  In this case, however, I see the government shutdown as a fight worth having.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8251 on: October 03, 2025, 01:25:04 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 03, 2025, 12:42:12 PM
Why would anyone in this country want to deny anyone of healthcare?

2 words: Cub fans.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8252 on: October 03, 2025, 01:26:19 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 03, 2025, 01:25:04 PM
2 words: Cub fans.

Hmm. Yeah, I don't care for those. But if they get sick...

Yeah, you're right. Fuck them.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8253 on: October 03, 2025, 01:55:55 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 03, 2025, 12:42:12 PM
Why would anyone in this country want to deny anyone of healthcare?

because they are greedy motherfuckers? Or named Mn?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8254 on: October 03, 2025, 01:57:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 03, 2025, 01:25:04 PM
2 words: Cub fans.

i find the 2 words "greedy motherfuckers" to be more appropriate
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8255 on: October 03, 2025, 03:04:33 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 03, 2025, 01:55:55 PM
because they are greedy motherfuckers? Or named Mn?

Ok...but what does greed have to do with it?

If I see a homeless dude get healthcare, or a billionaire get healthcare, why should I give a fuck? It doesn't affect me.

I know it's not this simple, but I kinda think it probably is. If someone is sick, they should have access to healthcare. Why is that controversial?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8256 on: October 03, 2025, 03:26:30 PM »
Republicans say the Democrats shut down the government because they want free health insurance for illegal aliens.

This is a partial truth. Dems want to restore Medicaid cuts from the Big Ugly Bill. Technically, illegals are ineligible for Medicaid. However, some blue states have found work arounds to provide limited benefits for illegals. But this is only a small percentage.

Also, illegals aren't covered by the ACA because they do not have SS numbers etc. But some who entered illegally and were subsequently granted asylum, parole status, etc. might be eligible for ACA subsidies. Republicans still consider them illegals.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8257 on: October 03, 2025, 03:27:23 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 03, 2025, 03:04:33 PM
Ok...but what does greed have to do with it?

If I see a homeless dude get healthcare, or a billionaire get healthcare, why should I give a fuck? It doesn't affect me.

I know it's not this simple, but I kinda think it probably is. If someone is sick, they should have access to healthcare. Why is that controversial?

The whole thing is nonsense. If we said - "hey, if you are a homeless dude, here's a plane ticket, comp hotel, and tickets to Disney", then the greedy motherfuckers might have a point. Or scamming EBT to get some glorious free cheetos.

But you know what's better than getting free gout meds? Not having gout. What's better than plantar facia surgery? Not having plantar faciatis. All in all, time spent in the hospital or recovering from treatment is time lost. Nobody is trying to scam health care. You need it when you need it, but all in all everyone would prefer not to need it, and will try to utilize as little of it as possible. And if we made it free, a lot of people would underutilize it anyway. But we'd have a healthier population, that would be able to go to work, make their own damn money instead of scamming EBT for cheetos.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8258 on: October 03, 2025, 03:30:45 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 03, 2025, 03:26:30 PM
Republicans say the Democrats shut down the government because they want free health insurance for illegal aliens.

This is a partial truth. Dems want to restore Medicaid cuts from the Big Ugly Bill. Technically, illegals are ineligible for Medicaid. However, some blue states have found work arounds to provide limited benefits for illegals. But this is only a small percentage.

Also, illegals aren't covered by the ACA because they do not have SS numbers etc. But some who entered illegally and were subsequently granted asylum, parole status, etc. might be eligible for ACA subsidies. Republicans still consider them illegals.

The amounts of government money going to healthcare for illegals is a gnat on a flies butt. Congress has wasted more money debating that supposedly lost money, than the actual amount of said money. And as stated, if some illegal somehow gets the government to pay to stitch up the gash they got in the meat packing plant due to the meat packing plant skirting OSHA rules, it's not like they are sitting on their couch saying "hey man I'm in fat city now!" No - they go back to work and keep prices lower by more than the amount that it cost to stitch up their arm.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8259 on: October 03, 2025, 03:36:18 PM »
The Trump base isn't too bright and believes what they are told..
« Last Edit: October 03, 2025, 03:42:09 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8260 on: October 03, 2025, 03:39:25 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 03, 2025, 03:27:23 PM
The whole thing is nonsense. If we said - "hey, if you are a homeless dude, here's a plane ticket, comp hotel, and tickets to Disney", then the greedy motherfuckers might have a point. Or scamming EBT to get some glorious free cheetos.

But you know what's better than getting free gout meds? Not having gout. What's better than plantar facia surgery? Not having plantar faciatis. All in all, time spent in the hospital or recovering from treatment is time lost. Nobody is trying to scam health care. You need it when you need it, but all in all everyone would prefer not to need it, and will try to utilize as little of it as possible. And if we made it free, a lot of people would underutilize it anyway. But we'd have a healthier population, that would be able to go to work, make their own damn money instead of scamming EBT for cheetos.

If I had gout and I had no health insurance, do you know what I would do about it? Nothing. I would be miserable.

If I had a torn plantar fascia and I had no health insurance, do you know what I would do about it? Nothing. I would be miserable.

I totally believe that healthcare should be a right, and not a privledge. And I feel like if anyone disagrees with that, then they can pretty much fuck off.

I pay a good chunk of my salary for fucking healthcare premiums. And I still have to closely watch these cocksuckers because they still try to fuck you.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8261 on: October 03, 2025, 03:48:57 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8262 on: October 03, 2025, 04:42:07 PM »
It’s not greed, it’s contempt.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8263 on: October 03, 2025, 04:43:44 PM »
Literally every other westernized country has some form of Universal Healthcare, but not America. Because, Freedumb.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8264 on: October 03, 2025, 04:44:07 PM »
Read my sig.
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