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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7965 on: August 10, 2025, 04:23:37 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 07, 2025, 02:07:57 PM
AI is frequently wrong, Nichi.

AI is neither right nor wrong. The AI summaries are exactly what they purport to be. Synopses of the prevailing views on a topic. There is even a disclaimer.

MN pretty much gives his take on the Trump defender perspective.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7966 on: August 10, 2025, 04:25:47 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on August 10, 2025, 08:33:14 AM
"Through my role in leading production of the prior 2016 ICA, I also knew that as
recently as September of 2016, other elements of the ICvi had pushed back during analyic
coordination on warnings of Russian intent to influence the 2016 presidential election,
stating that such a judgement would be misleading. Yet, by January, at least one of the IC
Elements that had pushed back (the Federal Bureau of Investigation) had seemingly
altered its position and embraced a judgement of Russian intent to influence the election,
seemingly without any new data other than the election’s unexpected result and public
speculation that Russia had ”hacked” the vote – a scenario that, we in the IC judged,
simply did not occur.vii viii ix As for the 2017 ICA’s judgement of a decisive Russian
preference for then-candidate Donald Trump, I could not concur in good conscience
based on information available, and my professional analytic judgement. I did not rule
the possibility out, and was willing to be convinced, but I was not offered access to any
of the supposedly dispositive reporting when I asked to review it (as a DNIO at the NIC,
a “one time” read in for almost anything relevant was normally provided)."

" concurred with the 2017 ICA’s
judgement that Moscow sought to “undermine public faith in the US democratic process”
and I had been on record expressing this view in classified, unclassified, and even openly
published documents since 2015.v
 In my own judgement, it was also likely that Moscow
sought to influence how Americans viewed the process and results of the 2016 election,
but I did not assesses at that time that this indicated Russian goals were, as the opening
sentence of the 2017 ICA states, “to influence the 2016 US Presidential election” itself.

" Through my role in leading production of the prior 2016 ICA, I also knew that as
recently as September of 2016, other elements of the ICvi had pushed back during analyic
coordination on warnings of Russian intent to influence the 2016 presidential election,
stating that such a judgement would be misleading. Yet, by January, at least one of the IC
Elements that had pushed back (the Federal Bureau of Investigation) had seemingly
altered its position and embraced a judgement of Russian intent to influence the election,
seemingly without any new data other than the election’s unexpected result and public
speculation that Russia had ”hacked” the vote – a scenario that, we in the IC judged,
simply did not occur.vii viii ix

"However, I later also
began to consider it possible that some of the reporting might reflect
Domain Name Service (DNS) record manipulation by parties other than
Russia, possibly USPERSONs, relevant to the Durham investigation, and
conveyed this to my contact there. (See Enclosure 3, Possible DNS
manipulation.)

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Declassified-Whistleblower-Testimony-Obama-Subvert-President-Trump-July2025.pdf


"“President Obama began the conversation by stressing his continued commitment to ensuring that every aspect of this issue is handled by the intelligence and law enforcement communities ‘by the book,’”
Susan Rice
Jan 20, 2017

TL;DR
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7967 on: August 10, 2025, 04:33:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 10, 2025, 12:05:51 PM
We live in America. It is spelled judgment!

Speaking of which, the t in often is silent; we say age 71, not aged 72; it's color, not colour....
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7968 on: August 10, 2025, 05:09:07 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 10, 2025, 04:25:47 PM
TL;DR
It's not long. The link to his complaint isn't long either.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7969 on: August 10, 2025, 09:29:07 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on August 10, 2025, 05:09:07 PM
It's not long. The link to his complaint isn't long either.

If I have to scroll that much it is long. It is hard to see and follow.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7970 on: August 10, 2025, 09:33:44 PM »
Quote from: Cam Ward First Fan on August 10, 2025, 11:46:58 AM
By miles, and miles, and miles.

I’d be concerned if I suddenly found myself frequently in agreement with you!
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7971 on: August 10, 2025, 09:37:28 PM »
Down the street the dogs are barkin'
And the day's a-gettin' dark
As the night comes in a-fallin'
The dogs 'll lose their bark
And the silent night will shatter
From the sounds inside my mind
As I'm one too many mornings
And a thousand miles behind

From the crossroads of my doorstep
My eyes start to fade
And I turn my head back to the room
Where my love and I have laid
And I gaze back to the street
The sidewalk and the sign
And I'm one too many mornings
And a thousand miles behind

It's a restless hungry feeling
That don't mean no one no good
When ev'rything I'm a-sayin'
You can say it just as good
You're right from your side
And I'm right from mine
We're both just one too many mornings
And a thousand miles behind

Bob Dylan ‧ 1964
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7972 on: August 14, 2025, 12:55:09 PM »
“I think the most important thing is that people see themselves and their struggles in your campaign… And I think the larger struggle for us as Democrats is to ensure that we are practicing a politics that is direct, a politics of no translation, a politics that when you read the policy commitment, you understand it, as how it applies to your life.”
--Zohran Mamdani

You may not like some of his policy proposals, but he is correct on this.  If it takes Dems more than a few sentences to explain something to the voters, you’re probably going to lose.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7973 on: August 14, 2025, 01:22:53 PM »
Democrats have been speaking out of both sides of their mouths for decades. It’s why we lose.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7974 on: August 14, 2025, 02:25:15 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on August 14, 2025, 12:55:09 PM
“I think the most important thing is that people see themselves and their struggles in your campaign… And I think the larger struggle for us as Democrats is to ensure that we are practicing a politics that is direct, a politics of no translation, a politics that when you read the policy commitment, you understand it, as how it applies to your life.”
--Zohran Mamdani

You may not like some of his policy proposals, but he is correct on this.  If it takes Dems more than a few sentences to explain something to the voters, you’re probably going to lose.

The best bumper stickers normally dictate outcome. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7975 on: August 14, 2025, 05:09:24 PM »
Quote from: ridingthegrange on August 14, 2025, 02:25:15 PM
The best bumper stickers normally dictate outcome.

Looks too. Pretty simple.

Biden is better looking than Trump, who is better looking than Hillary, who is better looking than Bernie

Newsom will beat Pritzker in a primary by a ton.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7976 on: August 15, 2025, 02:50:32 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7977 on: August 15, 2025, 07:26:21 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7978 on: August 19, 2025, 11:47:33 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 15, 2025, 07:26:21 PM
Judy listens to Millenials. Figures

We ARE millennials.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #7979 on: August 19, 2025, 12:40:20 PM »
Quote from: Bernstein is God on August 14, 2025, 01:22:53 PM
Democrats have been speaking out of both sides of their mouths for decades. It’s why we lose.

Democrats often lose because of:

Declining support from key voter groups

Economic messaging misalignment with voters’ priorities

Internal divisions and lack of leadership renewal

Structural disadvantages in electoral mapping

Overreliance on data without enough authentic engagement

Perceived identity disconnect with average voters

To change course, the party—and its leadership—must blend fresh leadership, economic relevance, coalition-building, and structural reform.

I believe this should help the poster refrain from spreading misinformation.
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