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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6420 on: November 07, 2024, 04:38:56 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 07, 2024, 04:33:48 PM
Hopefully it made the lives of your grandchildren better.

Well, the youth vote isn't saving the Dems based on Ruy Texiera's numbers. They appear to be voting for Trump because of it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6421 on: November 07, 2024, 05:02:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 07, 2024, 04:19:22 PM
Except it isn't. He recited a bunch of accomplishments that are impressive to college educated individuals and dumb assed progressives who now control the Dem party.

Nope.  I was merely pointing out that for the most part progressives did not control Biden's policy agenda.

And they are not now in control of the Democratic party.  The Dem centrists and progressives are currently playing the blame game, going after people or groups in the party they don't like.  This is mostly useless, but predictable.

Hopefully that process will burn itself out over the next 30-45 days and be replaced with a clear-eyed assessment when emotions aren't as raw.  Blaming people or groups is not a smart management strategy.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6422 on: November 07, 2024, 05:06:44 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 07, 2024, 05:02:40 PM
Nope.  I was merely pointing out that for the most part progressives did not control Biden's policy agenda.

And they are not now in control of the Democratic party.  The Dem centrists and progressives are currently playing the blame game, going after people or groups in the party they don't like.  This is mostly useless, but predictable.

Hopefully that process will burn itself out over the next 30-45 days and be replaced with a clear-eyed assessment when emotions aren't as raw.  Blaming people or groups is not a smart management strategy.

The reassessment never happens. Too much money to be made by those in charge.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6423 on: November 07, 2024, 05:10:57 PM »
And you are really going to say they are not in charge even after we all heard the howls when Shapiro was merely mentioned as a possible running mate? C'mon.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6424 on: November 07, 2024, 05:51:01 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 07, 2024, 04:37:56 PM
https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-shattering-of-the-democratic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

The original "demographics favor the Democrats" moron provides some sobering numbers...

So yeah let's keep talking about shit that "normal" Americans obviously don't care about but overly educated Uber drivers and retirees do. Its working out great!

Holy fuck what a takedown
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6425 on: November 07, 2024, 06:55:10 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 07, 2024, 05:10:57 PM
And you are really going to say they are not in charge even after we all heard the howls when Shapiro was merely mentioned as a possible running mate? C'mon.

And many Dem progressives weren't thrilled with Walz either.  Some liked him, while others were disappointed.   
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6426 on: November 07, 2024, 06:59:34 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6427 on: November 07, 2024, 07:00:38 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 07, 2024, 06:55:10 PM
And many Dem progressives weren't thrilled with Walz either.

I loved him. I thought he’d be a much greater asset. I guess the smear campaign worked.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6428 on: November 07, 2024, 07:04:01 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 06, 2024, 09:29:50 PM
fuck man half the country cares that he lies. That’s part of why they hate him. We can, as adults, acknowledge there is some  level of irony in the fact that Walz has lied and the same people mad about the lying just act like it’s fine because he’s not Trump. Plus you keep saying he misspoke or accidentally had the wrong dates. Nonsense.

One apparently lied or had some dates wrong on where he was in a place in time. The other lies incessantly to create division and sow doubt in our democratic institutions so he can weaponize their distrust. The “lies”’ are not 1 = 1.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6429 on: November 07, 2024, 07:08:10 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 07, 2024, 06:55:10 PM
And many Dem progressives weren't thrilled with Walz either.  Some liked him, while others were disappointed.

Plus the VP pick doesn't demonstrate the ability of the either the centrists or progressives to control the Dem policy agenda.  Walz, Shapiro, Whitmer, Cooper and Newsom can all battle it out in 2028.     
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6430 on: November 07, 2024, 07:10:53 PM »
And lies incessantly about his many enemies real and imagined.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6431 on: November 07, 2024, 07:11:31 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 07, 2024, 07:08:10 PM
Plus the VP pick doesn't demonstrate the ability of the either the centrists or progressives to control the Dem policy agenda.  Walz, Shapiro, Whitmer, Cooper and Newsom can all battle it out in 2028.   

And Pritzker.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6432 on: November 07, 2024, 07:16:33 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 07, 2024, 07:04:01 PM
One apparently lied or had some dates wrong on where he was in a place in time. The other lies incessantly to create division and sow doubt in our democratic institutions so he can weaponize their distrust. The “lies”’ are not 1 = 1.

Is lying bad? Yes or no?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6433 on: November 07, 2024, 07:17:27 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 07, 2024, 07:00:38 PM
I loved him. I thought he’d be a much greater asset. I guess the smear campaign worked.

He smear campaigned himself.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6434 on: November 07, 2024, 07:24:16 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 07, 2024, 07:11:31 PM
And Pritzker.

I probably should have added Beshear to list as well.   Lots of things can happen between now and then.  The incumbent could even be JD.       

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