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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6405 on: November 07, 2024, 11:53:13 AM »
The Squad rolled over for concessions, few that were actually met, and in effect neutered themselves.



The Squad has about as much power as Marjorie Taylor Greene and Loeren Boebert. Even when Greene nuked Kevin McCarthy, that didn't actually change anything. Both groups just make a lot of noise.

AOC is actually pretty smart though, and if you really dig down into where she's impacted policy, she's very different than Omar and Jayapal. Omar and Jayapal might be ok with it all burning down. AOC just wants businesses and billionaires who benefit the most from government spending to kick in appropriately. If the tax code were more reflective of the resultant benefit from the tax code, she'd be cheering on our successes more unconditionally.

Nvidia has a very aggressive diversity program. If diversity programs were screwing up companies, how are we the most valuable company on earth?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6406 on: November 07, 2024, 11:58:53 AM »
No one said they screw up companies. They just found that they weren’t adding value.

Your company succeeds because of product and competitive advantages that were established long before DEI came along. And has the resources to pour tons of money into those programs.
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« Reply #6407 on: November 07, 2024, 12:12:39 PM »
No one said they screw up companies. They just found that they weren’t adding value.

Your company succeeds because of product and competitive advantages that were established long before DEI came along. And has the resources to pour tons of money into those programs.

I'm gonna go with "I know more about our company than you". At least you weren't following Q97's advice to short it.

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« Reply #6408 on: November 07, 2024, 12:17:24 PM »
The Squad has about as much power as Marjorie Taylor Greene and Loeren Boebert. Even when Greene nuked Kevin McCarthy, that didn't actually change anything. Both groups just make a lot of noise.

AOC is actually pretty smart though, and if you really dig down into where she's impacted policy, she's very different than Omar and Jayapal. Omar and Jayapal might be ok with it all burning down. AOC just wants businesses and billionaires who benefit the most from government spending to kick in appropriately. If the tax code were more reflective of the resultant benefit from the tax code, she'd be cheering on our successes more unconditionally.

Nvidia has a very aggressive diversity program. If diversity programs were screwing up companies, how are we the most valuable company on earth?

The best way for AOC to expand her political clout would be to run for Governor or U.S. Senate.   

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« Reply #6409 on: November 07, 2024, 12:19:49 PM »
The best way for AOC to expand her political clout would be to run for Governor or U.S. Senate.

On the one hand, Schumer is 73. On the other hand, seems to be popular for Senators to die in office

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6410 on: November 07, 2024, 01:56:35 PM »
https://www.semafor.com/article/11/06/2024/democrats-ask-why-didnt-anything-work

Biden, who the party’s left opposed in the 2020 primary, had pleasantly surprised them; he had walked a UAW picket line, appointed antitrust activists to key government roles, and approved trillions of dollars of climate, infrastructure, and welfare spending. He did this in consultation with activists who saw Biden burying the neo-liberal politics that defined his career. And Democrats saw working class voters move toward Trump, running on nostalgia for pre-COVID prices and a suite of new tax cuts.
“Democrats delivered on an economic agenda,” said Analilia Mejia, the director of the Center for Popular Democracy, a progressive nonprofit built from the remnants of the old anti-poverty group ACORN. “The Biden administration was one of the most progressive administrations in my lifetime.”

But there wasn’t just one “progressive movement” in the Biden years. Democrats embraced the Black Lives Matter movement; on his first day, Biden signed an executive order centering “racial equity” in the post-COVID recovery. They embraced immigrant rights movements, and delivered on a promise – initially – to slow down deportations of illegal border-crossers. They embraced criminal justice reform movements that had elected the sorts of progressive prosecutors that Californians just threw out. In 2020, Harris endorsed LA County DA George Gascon, saying he would “decrease the state prison population and get people convicted of nonviolent offenses greater opportunities to get their lives back on track.” This year, as he tumbled toward defeat, she took no position on his race.

Biden decided that climate would be a major policy initiative, and he made sure it would be a multi-stakeholder process.  The progressives did not set the agenda, nor did the Biden administration market it as a major "progressive" initiative.  It was sold as a clean energy transition, economic development and job creation package to build widespread stakeholder support.       

Environmental and energy non-profits were offered the opportunity to provide input on potential new clean energy and EV/battery initiatives.  But the agency directors who oversaw the development of these programs also solicited advice from other stakeholders, including business assistance, local and state officials, academia, clean energy developers, utilities/power suppliers, unions and business sectors.  Sorry Analilia Mejia, but the progressives did not have a seat at the table when key decisions were made on how these programs would be implemented. 

And that was also the case for other big Biden policy stuff like infrastructure funding, trade with China, semiconductor manufacturing, Ukraine invasion, reproductive rights, health care expansion and the Israel/Gaza conflict.   

If you are Trump and the GOP, of course you would label Biden/Democrats as a “stooge” for the far left progressives and tie him to things like Antifa and BLM.  That’s a smart campaign strategy.  But if you look at Biden’s major accomplishments, I would call him center-left at most.   

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« Reply #6411 on: November 07, 2024, 02:41:45 PM »
Biden decided that climate would be a major policy initiative, and he made sure it would be a multi-stakeholder process.  The progressives did not set the agenda, nor did the Biden administration market it as a major "progressive" initiative.  It was sold as a clean energy transition, economic development and job creation package to build widespread stakeholder support.       

Environmental and energy non-profits were offered the opportunity to provide input on potential new clean energy and EV/battery initiatives.  But the agency directors who oversaw the development of these programs also solicited advice from other stakeholders, including business assistance, local and state officials, academia, clean energy developers, utilities/power suppliers, unions and business sectors.  Sorry Analilia Mejia, but the progressives did not have a seat at the table when key decisions were made on how these programs would be implemented. 

And that was also the case for other big Biden policy stuff like infrastructure funding, trade with China, semiconductor manufacturing, Ukraine invasion, reproductive rights, health care expansion and the Israel/Gaza conflict.   

If you are Trump and the GOP, of course you would label Biden/Democrats as a “stooge” for the far left progressives and tie him to things like Antifa and BLM.  That’s a smart campaign strategy.  But if you look at Biden’s major accomplishments, I would call him center-left at most.
This is all great. But how did all of this make the lives better of the people pissed off about $4 eggs and illegal aliens getting put up in housing at taxpayer expense?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6412 on: November 07, 2024, 02:47:27 PM »
I'm gonna go with "I know more about our company than you". At least you weren't following Q97's advice to short it.

Then you should know they have a competitive advantage that started before DEI was a thing and as such had buku resources to throw at DEI programs
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« Reply #6413 on: November 07, 2024, 02:52:47 PM »
This is all great. But how did all of this make the lives better of the people pissed off about $4 eggs and illegal aliens getting put up in housing at taxpayer expense?

It doesn't, nor was it intended to address those two issues.   

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« Reply #6414 on: November 07, 2024, 04:00:41 PM »
This is all great. But how did all of this make the lives better of the people pissed off about $4 eggs and illegal aliens getting put up in housing at taxpayer expense?

15 yard penalty, strawman

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« Reply #6415 on: November 07, 2024, 04:01:34 PM »
Then you should know they have a competitive advantage that started before DEI was a thing and as such had buku resources to throw at DEI programs

You seem to know a lot about NVidia. Here's hoping that you utilized this excellent insight into purchasing a lot of stock 6 years ago.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6416 on: November 07, 2024, 04:19:22 PM »
15 yard penalty, strawman

Except it isn't. He recited a bunch of accomplishments that are impressive to college educated individuals and dumb assed progressives who now control the Dem party.
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« Reply #6417 on: November 07, 2024, 04:30:26 PM »
You seem to know a lot about NVidia. Here's hoping that you utilized this excellent insight into purchasing a lot of stock 6 years ago.

Unfortunately 97 is my fiduciary
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« Reply #6418 on: November 07, 2024, 04:33:48 PM »
This is all great. But how did all of this make the lives better of the people pissed off about $4 eggs and illegal aliens getting put up in housing at taxpayer expense?

Hopefully it made the lives of your grandchildren better.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6419 on: November 07, 2024, 04:37:56 PM »
https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-shattering-of-the-democratic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

The original "demographics favor the Democrats" moron provides some sobering numbers...

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Yet Democrats cannot decisively beat their opponents as this election has shown once again. The party is uncompetitive among white working-class voters and among voters in exurban, small town, and rural America.

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The Democratic Party may be the party of blue America, especially deep blue metro America, but its bid to be the party of the ordinary American, the common man and woman, is falling short.

There is a simple—and painful—reason for this. The Democrats really are no longer the party of the common man and woman. The priorities and values that dominate the party today are instead those of educated, liberal America which only partially overlap—and sometimes not at all—with those of ordinary Americans.

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The gender gap: Contrary to much pre-election discussion, Harris’s margin among women was actually less than Biden’s in 2020, 7 points for Harris vs. 12 points for Biden. And the Trump margin was better among men, 10 points vs. 5 points in 2020. The overall gender gap went from 17 points in 2020 to….17 points in 2024. How about that. The Democrats invested so much hope in the women’s vote, especially the idea that the abortion issue would spike their margin among women, and it just did not pan out.

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Even more startling, Democrats believed with an almost religious fervor that young women would move sharply in their direction given liberal trends among this demographic and, again, the salience of the abortion issue. And, again, it did not happen. Women under 30 supported Biden by 32 points in 2020 but supported Harris by just 18 points in this election, a 14-point shift toward Trump. Among young men, the swing was even harder: these voters supported Biden by 15 points in 2020 but supported Trump by 14 points in 2024. That’s a 29-point pro-Republican swing. As a result, the gender gap did widen among young voters, but it was because young men moved more sharply toward Trump than young women did. That’s not exactly what Democrats had in mind.

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Among all nonwhites: Harris carried them by 35 points compared to Biden’s 48-point margin in 2020. Among black voters, Harris’s margin was 67 points compared to 83 points for Biden in 2020; Trump got 16 percent of the black vote and 24 percent among black men. Among Latinos, the Democratic margin was cut in half, plunging to 14 points compared to 28 points for Biden in 2020. Trump got 42 percent of the Hispanic vote and 47 percent among Hispanic men.

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Among all working-class voters, Trump dramatically widened his advantage, tripling his margin from 4 points in 2020 to 12 points in this election. That included moving from 25 to 29 points among white working-class voters and radically compressing his deficit among nonwhite working-class voters from 48 points in 2020 to 33 points this election. Compare that margin to what Obama had in 2012: according to Catalist, he carried the nonwhite working class by 67 points in that election. That indicates that Democrats have had their margin among this core constituency more than cut in half over the last 12 years.

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Instead of denying the obvious—or, worse, blaming the dumb workers for not knowing their own interests—Democrats would be well-advised to accept this new reality and seek to change it.

Unless they’re content to be primarily the party of America’s well-off. Harris lost voters under $50,000 in household income as well as voters from $50,000 to $100,000 in income. But she did carry voters with over $100,000 in household by 8 points, one place where Harris did improve over Biden in 2020. This is not, as they say, your father’s Democratic Party. Not even close.

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The idea that the youth vote might bail out on the Democrats this election was strenuously resisted in Democratic-friendly quarters but happen it did. Democrat support among voters under 30 collapsed from a 25-point advantage in 2020 to a mere 6 points in this election.

This should be especially disturbing for Democrats since this is the first presidential election where this age group is overwhelmingly composed on Gen Z voters. This does not augur well for the future. Nor does their performance among voters 30-44, now dominated by the Millennials, where Harris’s advantage over Trump was only 4 points.

So yeah let's keep talking about shit that "normal" Americans obviously don't care about but overly educated Uber drivers and retirees do. Its working out great!
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