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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6135 on: October 02, 2024, 08:34:59 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 08:29:03 PM
Then call it welfare and not socialism.  Just because a political structure has a tenet(s) that aligns with what you’re saying doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to call it something it’s—by definition—not.

Government expenditures to help citizens isn’t unique to socialism. It has nothing to do with state or collective means of ownership of means of production. And all the articles you posted are just using the bastard politicized version I already pointed out.

You ignore how the common usage of words can change over time, Comrade Custard.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6136 on: October 02, 2024, 08:37:29 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 07:45:24 PM
Disaster relief is not socialism by any definition

It's a form of social insurance.

Pretty much, it's from each according to ability to pay; to each according to loss.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6137 on: October 02, 2024, 08:37:50 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 08:30:47 PM
Point out where I said that? I know you love our house search function!

Social programs =/= socialism.

I will admit the word social being in both of them makes this confusing.

I did not say that you were anti universal healthcare. I was throwing one 'argument" against it at disaster relief favored by those who call universal healthcare (and other programs) "socialism."
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6138 on: October 02, 2024, 08:44:54 PM »
I don’t call anything socialism unless it adheres to the traditional definition!
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6139 on: October 02, 2024, 09:30:02 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 07:56:13 PM


It’s just not what you think it is. It’s become bastardized to primarily mean a social safety net when it actually primarily means state owned means of production.  I’m not saying Florida isn’t benefiting from aid, I’m just saying it isn’t socialism.

Good to know you finally realized that Trump is a bastard
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6140 on: October 02, 2024, 09:31:48 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 08:44:54 PM
I don’t call anything socialism unless it adheres to the traditional definition!

I mean cool, can  you go tell the GOP they can no longer call Kamala Harris a SOCIALIST!!!!

I mean, that's the entirety of their campaign...
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6141 on: October 02, 2024, 09:34:29 PM »
Yeah I’d probably focus more on her lack of substantive political achievements if I were them.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6142 on: October 03, 2024, 12:59:40 AM »
Since when are social safety net programs not considered socialism? What planet am
I on, here?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6143 on: October 03, 2024, 01:02:08 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 08:44:54 PM
I don’t call anything socialism unless it adheres to the traditional definition!

Your definition is very limited.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6144 on: October 03, 2024, 01:03:03 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 02, 2024, 09:31:48 PM
I mean cool, can  you go tell the GOP they can no longer call Kamala Harris a SOCIALIST!!!!

I mean, that's the entirety of their campaign...

Bingo.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6145 on: October 03, 2024, 01:06:55 AM »
When billions in dollars are handed out in disaster relief, losses are literally “socialized.”
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6146 on: October 03, 2024, 07:16:31 AM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6147 on: October 03, 2024, 07:44:52 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 03, 2024, 01:06:55 AM
When billions in dollars are handed out in disaster relief, losses are literally “socialized.”

Uh, Tempo, you know that avatar you are using? Have you looked at it closely?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6148 on: October 03, 2024, 07:49:22 AM »
https://people.com/golfer-john-daly-loses-florida-home-to-hurricane-helene-8722442

I'm sending beer to him as part of the hurricane recovery effort.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #6149 on: October 03, 2024, 07:55:38 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 03, 2024, 07:44:52 AM
Uh, Tempo, you know that avatar you are using? Have you looked at it closely?

Yes, I’m very familiar with it.
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