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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #435 on: July 21, 2020, 10:26:31 PM »
Ken Cuccinelli explains the secret police to Rand Paul.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1285374356051365891.html

Seriously…Ken Cuccinelli, the fringe immigration hardliner and anti-gay zealot.   

The guy who thinks the Statue of Liberty only applies to Europeans.

He even led a group that raised money to challenge incumbent Republican senators, including Mitch McConnell.   He endorsed Roy Moore for the Senate in Alabama. 

I wonder why he’s just the ACTING Deputy Secretary.   

Why would any congressman pay attention to this jerk?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #436 on: July 22, 2020, 12:13:54 AM »
So just like in college athletics we should turn a blind eye to fraud and patronage and cronyism as long as it benefits our team?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #437 on: July 22, 2020, 12:22:06 AM »
I remember Jerry Hawkins and actually worked a little bit with him when he was legislative director for the UMWA in the 80s.   
Capable of pressing the correct button when told, but otherwise blissfully unaware of non-bituminous issues.

My dad voted for Dawn Clark Netsch in 1994 because he hated what get viewed as Edgar's corruption. At the time, Professor McColley was president of the Illinois State Historical Society. His displeasure arose from the rival Historic Preservation Agency, led by Bill & Julie Cellini.

So I get what you're saying.

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« Reply #438 on: July 22, 2020, 09:38:46 AM »
I remember Jerry Hawkins and actually worked a little bit with him when he was legislative director for the UMWA in the 80s.   
Capable of pressing the correct button when told, but otherwise blissfully unaware of non-bituminous issues.

My dad voted for Dawn Clark Netsch in 1994 because he hated what get viewed as Edgar's corruption. At the time, Professor McColley was president of the Illinois State Historical Society. His displeasure arose from the rival Historic Preservation Agency, led by Bill & Julie Cellini.

So I get what you're saying.

The Cellini's: the gift from Jim Thompson that kept on giving. 

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #439 on: July 22, 2020, 03:25:24 PM »
Customs Border Protection?

I didn't realize Portland was within 100 miles of the border.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #440 on: July 22, 2020, 03:32:57 PM »
So just like in college athletics we should turn a blind eye to fraud and patronage and cronyism as long as it benefits our team?

Should we ignore what smells like politically motivated selective prosecution?

Do you prefer your corruption with or without drivable roads, clean water, etc., etc.   
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #441 on: July 22, 2020, 04:00:50 PM »
So just like in college athletics we should turn a blind eye to fraud and patronage and cronyism as long as it benefits our team?

Should we ignore what smells like politically motivated selective prosecution?

Do you prefer your corruption with or without drivable roads, clean water, etc., etc.

should we ignore politically motivated violence?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #442 on: July 22, 2020, 04:18:14 PM »

should we ignore politically motivated violence?

Of course not. Let's correctly identify who is actually instigating and committing violent acts and take appropriate action. Also, we should respect jurisdictions.

If security guards are needed at federal buildings to prevent graffiti; then post and identify them.   
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #443 on: July 22, 2020, 09:09:17 PM »
So just like in college athletics we should turn a blind eye to fraud and patronage and cronyism as long as it benefits our team?

Should we ignore what smells like politically motivated selective prosecution?

Do you prefer your corruption with or without drivable roads, clean water, etc., etc.

You speak as if these are mutually exclusive wants.

They aren’t.

I just did a bunch of googling and I can’t draw a correlation between red states and blue states and road and water quality whatsoever.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #444 on: July 23, 2020, 07:10:04 AM »

should we ignore politically motivated violence?

Of course not. Let's correctly identify who is actually instigating and committing violent acts and take appropriate action. Also, we should respect jurisdictions.

If security guards are needed at federal buildings to prevent graffiti; then post and identify them.   
Exactly what the Portland mayor should have been doing a month and a half ago. I'm glad you agree.
Identify and take action, and respect the need for the protection of federal employees and federal property from graffiti, vandalism, attempted arson and assaults on federal officers.
Maybe even ask the peaceful protesters, if there are any, to distance themselves from those instigating violence and help to identify them also so that action can be taken.
If only the problem was simply graffiti.
55 nights should be enough, Mr. Mayor.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #445 on: July 23, 2020, 12:45:42 PM »
So just like in college athletics we should turn a blind eye to fraud and patronage and cronyism as long as it benefits our team?

Should we ignore what smells like politically motivated selective prosecution?

Do you prefer your corruption with or without drivable roads, clean water, etc., etc.

You speak as if these are mutually exclusive wants.

They aren’t.

I just did a bunch of googling and I can’t draw a correlation between red states and blue states and road and water quality whatsoever.

I know the roads where I live are a lot better since Rauner left office.

I don't think you can google and find meaningful correlations using the current red state and blue state designations. The dynamics are not that simplistic. Until recently, IL had A republican governor and dem  legislature. iirc, Minnesota had a dem governor and repub congress?

Irregardless (sic); which party is more likely to support subsidies for transportation, healthcare, and education? Which one is more likely to support  clean air and water legislation? 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #447 on: July 23, 2020, 02:39:29 PM »
On the one hand, mostly ordinary people who live in the city.

On the other, bureaucrats in a waning and desperate administration whose bar for declarations of anarchy and bedlam is shockingly low.

Who to trust?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #448 on: July 23, 2020, 03:14:55 PM »

should we ignore politically motivated violence?

Of course not. Let's correctly identify who is actually instigating and committing violent acts and take appropriate action. Also, we should respect jurisdictions.

If security guards are needed at federal buildings to prevent graffiti; then post and identify them.   
Exactly what the Portland mayor should have been doing a month and a half ago. I'm glad you agree.
Identify and take action, and respect the need for the protection of federal employees and federal property from graffiti, vandalism, attempted arson and assaults on federal officers.
Maybe even ask the peaceful protesters, if there are any, to distance themselves from those instigating violence and help to identify them also so that action can be taken.
If only the problem was simply graffiti.
55 nights should be enough, Mr. Mayor.

There was a very simple way to protect that property.

Fire Derek Chauvin a dozen or so transgressions ago

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #449 on: July 23, 2020, 03:26:43 PM »

You speak as if these are mutually exclusive wants.

They aren’t.

I just did a bunch of googling and I can’t draw a correlation between red states and blue states and road and water quality whatsoever.

Le sigh.

Another bizarro situation where a lack of knowledge of how Government actually works is used to impugn Government.

Drawing a line at "states" and road quality is completely meaningless. Interstate freeways are funded by the Federal gas tax. Often what that means is places like Kentucky have great freeways because Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader, and places with a lot of turnover probably are worse at bringing home federal pork.

Most states fund State highways - for example IL-47 headed down to Champaign from the West Burbs. Those roads are state funded - but even there it comes down to whom Madigan decides to bless with more roads money.

But roads below that level are funded at the local level. When you cross the County line out of Sonoma County into Marin County - suddenly the roads become butter smooth. You're in the same state, but the roads are drastically different. If you go out to Modoc County, they have almost no local money to throw at the roads. Same state.

Even then, the comparison is pretty meaningless. Sonoma County has bad roads because it's a primarily rural county with a lot of farms and ranches,  with a huge amount of small roads, often in rugged terrain, and with more faultlines than Marin.