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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #420 on: July 21, 2020, 09:59:08 AM »
Has anyone officially been declared "missing" in Portland?

I get that the Feds not wearing name tags/badge numbers/etc. and that they are not trained in crowd control are extremely problematic. But there seems to be quite a bit of hyperbole here.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #421 on: July 21, 2020, 11:40:58 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
Has anyone officially been declared "missing" in Portland?

I get that the Feds not wearing name tags/badge numbers/etc. and that they are not trained in crowd control are extremely problematic. But there seems to be quite a bit of hyperbole here.

Not wearing identifying info is apparently from a fear of being doxed.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #422 on: July 21, 2020, 11:45:40 AM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #423 on: July 21, 2020, 11:49:09 AM »
Invading a sovereign state without an invitation is problematic too, not to mention hypocritical.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #424 on: July 21, 2020, 11:53:37 AM »
Quote from: Mn on July 21, 2020, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
Has anyone officially been declared "missing" in Portland?

I get that the Feds not wearing name tags/badge numbers/etc. and that they are not trained in crowd control are extremely problematic. But there seems to be quite a bit of hyperbole here.

Not wearing identifying info is apparently from a fear of being doxed.

 !!!!!!

Secret police are now justified? 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #425 on: July 21, 2020, 12:41:11 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 21, 2020, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
Has anyone officially been declared "missing" in Portland?

I get that the Feds not wearing name tags/badge numbers/etc. and that they are not trained in crowd control are extremely problematic. But there seems to be quite a bit of hyperbole here.

Not wearing identifying info is apparently from a fear of being doxed.


I'm fine with that.  However, I've never seen Feds in public field without ID'ing the Agency they represent.  I do have problem with that part.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #426 on: July 21, 2020, 12:56:56 PM »


Roger Stone's arrest. No id that I see. Maybe because CNN was going to cover the arrest ?

I think the Feds in Portland have Police front and back, and shoulder patches indicating the agency. They also have an identifying number.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #427 on: July 21, 2020, 01:43:56 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 21, 2020, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
Has anyone officially been declared "missing" in Portland?

I get that the Feds not wearing name tags/badge numbers/etc. and that they are not trained in crowd control are extremely problematic. But there seems to be quite a bit of hyperbole here.

Not wearing identifying info is apparently from a fear of being doxed.

Laughable.

It seems like most of the people they've been randomly grabbing and throwing in mini-vans show up again - I don't think we've quite crossed to the point of actually vanishing people - the tactic here isn't to vanish people, it's to scare the living shit out of them. Which isn't exactly something we should have in our "policing policy"
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #428 on: July 21, 2020, 02:00:11 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 21, 2020, 12:56:56 PM


Roger Stone's arrest. No id that I see. Maybe because CNN was going to cover the arrest ?

I think the Feds in Portland have Police front and back, and shoulder patches indicating the agency. They also have an identifying number.

I don't think that's equivalent.  Can't tell from photo about any ID though.  Regardless, a covert op isn't the same as riot control especially when you're not communicating with other agencies in the vicinity.  Feds normally want to get the recognition from the public and lawmakers to demonstrate their value.  Unless, of course, you've got something to hide.  You'd rather them be anonymous?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #429 on: July 21, 2020, 03:06:37 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #430 on: July 21, 2020, 03:22:38 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #431 on: July 21, 2020, 05:44:13 PM »
Republicans can't run the fucking state, so they go after patronage. Elect Republicans, say goodbye to downstate public transportation. We'll still have patronage, just shitty to no social services.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #432 on: July 21, 2020, 07:10:27 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 21, 2020, 05:44:13 PM
We'll still have patronage, just shitty to no social services.
It took Illinois Republicans less than 25 years to morph from milquetoast stewards of public policy (the Jims) to unapologetic Confederacy enthusiasts.

I saw this in southern Illinois in the early 90s, covering campaign events for idiots like Jerry Hawkins (union coal miner cum state rep), but it never occurred to me that the Southern Democrats would eventually become the GOP.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #433 on: July 21, 2020, 09:15:50 PM »
Quote from: fucking on July 21, 2020, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: illiniray on July 21, 2020, 05:44:13 PM
We'll still have patronage, just shitty to no social services.
It took Illinois Republicans less than 25 years to morph from milquetoast stewards of public policy (the Jims) to unapologetic Confederacy enthusiasts.

I saw this in southern Illinois in the early 90s, covering campaign events for idiots like Jerry Hawkins (union coal miner cum state rep), but it never occurred to me that the Southern Democrats would eventually become the GOP.

For 20+ years the Illinois Republican Party worked hard to centralize patronage at the executive level in Springfield and certain downstate locations (think prisons, state regional offices and mental health centers), starting with Big Jim Thompson and followed by Jim Edgar and George Ryan.  Everybody thinks Edgar was "Mr. Clean," but he had a patronage system that rivaled the other two.     

Madigan on the other hand worked to privatize patronage for legislative favors and support.  You hire my guys/gals as part of your corporate, legal or lobbying firm, and we'll see to it that your legislation advances. 

I remember Jerry Hawkins and actually worked a little bit with him when he was legislative director for the UMWA in the 80s.   He was crazy, but in a good way.   He wasn't the extreme right fundamentalist-type you now see representing much of the southern and eastern parts of the state.  Back in the day, Republicans and Democrats from those areas could work together. 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #434 on: July 21, 2020, 09:53:35 PM »
Ken Cuccinelli explains the secret police to Rand Paul.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1285374356051365891.html
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