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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4890 on: February 25, 2024, 10:29:27 PM »
Good call. Should do it while the Soviets have been weakened by the Ukraine. Putin going to be surrounded by NATO. Good. Fuck that piece of shit.

It's worth noting that Russia is not an isolated issue. Russia, Iran, China and North Korea are now all openly allied and far more mutually cooperative than they were a decade ago.  By appeasing Putin, our Fifth Column is siding with all of the U.S.'s major foreign antagonists. 

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4891 on: February 25, 2024, 10:31:54 PM »
How much of your anger towards Putin is directly related to Trump? Curious of others here too.

I have no anger toward either one. That would be illogical as I have met neither. Moreover, making decisions based on emotions is irrational.

My opposition is to their policies. It's not personal.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2024, 10:35:51 PM by illiniray »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4892 on: February 25, 2024, 11:08:52 PM »

As an American who tries to be objective, I’m failing to understand what Putin is doing that’s markedly worse than what the leaders of the US do on a regular basis, but I’m willing to listen and learn.

I suppose it's possible you take the Clinton's trail of bodies story seriously. ?

Anyway, US leaders do not usually have political rivals and bothersome journalists imprisoned and murdered on a regular basis.

I realize that could change if Trump is elected again. Just read his plans. Pay close attention to Stephen Miller. He controls the strings.

Yes, it seems unlikely on the face Trump could get those things done.

Just be aware there is a plan in place to overcome opposition from Congress, the Courts, and career Executive branch employees.

Trump plans to rule as a Unitary Executive.

Miller says the actions will be so swift the opposition won't know what happened. If Congress doesn't fund them; they'll simply take it from the military budget.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2024, 10:27:12 AM by illiniray »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4893 on: February 25, 2024, 11:15:49 PM »
"We made clear to the Russians that we were willing to talk to them on issues that we thought were genuine concerns they have that were legitimate in some way, I mean arms control type things of that nature,” Chollet said, adding that the administration didn’t think that “the future of Ukraine” was one of those issues and that its potential NATO membership was a “non-issue.

"Of course Putin himself stated publicly many times before the invasion that indeed, Ukraine’s potential NATO membership was a key security concern for Russia."

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/04/14/biden-official-admits-us-refused-to-address-ukraine-and-nato-before-russian-invasion/


Biden and Zelenskiy had a call two days after Biden held talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin to try to defuse a crisis over Russian troop movements near Ukraine's borders.

"In a call which Zelenskiy said lasted 1-1/2 hours, Ukraine's president also told Biden that he had "clear proposals to unblock the peace process" in eastern Ukraine and was ready to discuss them in various formats."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/



Trump was able to increase the funding by NATO members.
Whomever is currently making decisions is getting us closer to WWlll because of NATO.
There was no foreign policy segment in the debates.


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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4894 on: February 26, 2024, 09:08:51 AM »
The best way to stop wars is by standing up to bullies and maintaining deterrence.  Appeasement never works.  And the House GOP, their apologists and some on the far left are proving this right now.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4895 on: February 26, 2024, 09:31:47 AM »
Negotiations over Ukraine's NATO membership were off the table.
Zelensky's peace proposals were iff the table.
Bombs away !!!

I remember when we were told that sanctions would cripple Russia's economy.
2 years ago.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4896 on: February 26, 2024, 09:51:51 AM »
It’s certainly interesting that Trump seems to be the fulcrum for hatred of Putin vs lack thereof.

As someone who considers myself fairly apolitical, it makes sense to me why people with TDS react so viscerally to Putin. And vice versa.

As an American who tries to be objective, I’m failing to understand what Putin is doing that’s markedly worse than what the leaders of the US do on a regular basis, but I’m willing to listen and learn.

You are fucking kidding me. What a load of crap.

Fucking Reagan would be going ballistic over this reaction to Putin.

It was not until Trump that the tune towards the damned Soviets in this country changed.

Unfuckingbelievable.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4897 on: February 26, 2024, 09:53:26 AM »
Negotiations over Ukraine's NATO membership were off the table.
Zelensky's peace proposals were iff the table.
Bombs away !!!

I remember when we were told that sanctions would cripple Russia's economy.
2 years ago.

Yeah, well guess who are helping the Soviets? The Chinese, North Koreans, and the Indians.

The Indians have played both sides of the street at least.

Forgot to include the Iranians.

Quite the group the Trumpers have aligned themselves with.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4898 on: February 26, 2024, 10:25:53 AM »

Forgot to include the $16 billion to the Iranians.

Fify




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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4899 on: February 26, 2024, 10:32:42 AM »
Yeah, well guess who are helping the Soviets? The Chinese, North Koreans, and the Indians.

Good job, Blinken.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4900 on: February 26, 2024, 10:41:47 AM »
Good job, Blinken.

Putin owes a lot to Fox News, News Max, NY Post, Tucker Carlson, RT, TASS, ...
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4901 on: February 26, 2024, 10:57:25 AM »
You are fucking kidding me. What a load of crap.

Fucking Reagan would be going ballistic over this reaction to Putin.

It was not until Trump that the tune towards the damned Soviets in this country changed.

Unfuckingbelievable.

I also blame Peter the Great.  Russia has always aimed to dominate the coasts of the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea.  The Tsars achieved it, and the Soviets achieved it.  Putin, born in the Soviet era, and a student of history, would regard it as a right and a national geopolitical imperative.  Greater Russia.

Eastern European countries recognize this as well, hence the rush to get under the NATO umbrella.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4902 on: February 26, 2024, 11:01:03 AM »
Fify

Except that is sitting in Qatar, I believe they were the intermediary, right now.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4903 on: February 26, 2024, 11:01:26 AM »
Good job, Blinken.

Nice try, comrade.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4904 on: February 26, 2024, 11:02:44 AM »
Putin owes a lot to Fox News, News Max, NY Post, Tucker Carlson, RT, TASS, ...

The Star Trib apparently targets cops while these media members  target Europe.
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