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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Trump declaring a national emergency and taking over the DC Police because there is a ton of crime?

This is just so fucked up. Big cities, shit happens. Why? Because there is a certain amount of the human population that is dysfunctional. The percentage in cities isn't particularly higher than anywhere else, but you have a larger net total, and it's visible to more people.

The mythology that Cities are OOH SCARY has been around for a long time and Trump is amplifying it. Is he doing it to curry favor with people who wouldn't move to or even visit cities even if there were zero crime? Maybe. Or maybe he's just an idiot. I'm betting idiot.

This whole "the cities are crime infested ratholes" is such an odd meme. I visit the Ozarks every year, despite it being a center of US Heroin production and money laundering by Mexican drug cartels, along with some serious white collar crime being coordinated through the Missouri legislature. Also - the place is fucking filthy, is there some sort of law in Missouri that all beer cans that become empty while you are driving must be thrown onto the side of the road?

But I still think the Ozarks rules and I will go back. Every place has it's issues.

With the DC cops under federal control and deployement of the National Guard, maybe they'll find the Epstein files.

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Oh well. An Obama appointed judge said you can't see the Maxwell grand jury transcripts.

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Oh well. An Obama appointed judge said you can't see the Maxwell grand jury transcripts.

There's a reason these things are historically kept under wraps. As we have seen, the feds can certainly redact their files for sensitive materials and release them.
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Oh well. An Obama appointed judge said you can't see the Maxwell grand jury transcripts.

Wonderful.  So Mn gets to blame the judge appointed by Obama. 

The motion to release grand jury transcripts is and was always a distraction.  No miscreants except the target are actually named in grand jury proceedings so nothing of interest would be there anyway.  The DOJ knows this so it was a hollow effort by them. 

The real issue is the extensive files that the DOJ has from Epstein investigations going back decades.  The same files that Bondi once claimed were on her desk.  The same files that hundreds of FBI staff spent days going through to find any mention of Trump.

Maybe the DOJ could start by releasing the files they control. 

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Oh well. An Obama appointed judge said you can't see the Maxwell grand jury transcripts.

Grand jury secrecy isn’t absolute — there are limited exceptions where the court can authorize disclosure.
Under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e) (and similar state rules), grand jury materials can be released if one of these applies:

To prosecutors and investigators – Prosecutors and certain law enforcement officials directly involved in the case can access the materials to prepare charges or trial strategy.

To another grand jury – If a related grand jury investigation is underway, material can be shared between them.

By court order for “particularized need” – A judge can allow disclosure if someone shows a strong, specific reason that outweighs the need for secrecy (e.g., a defendant proving evidence is needed for their defense). This is often a high bar.

To government personnel assisting the prosecution – This can include analysts, interpreters, or agents working under the prosecutor’s direction.

When the material relates to foreign intelligence or counterintelligence – It can be disclosed to certain federal officials for national security purposes.

In connection with certain judicial proceedings – For example, if a civil case stems from the same facts as a criminal investigation, a judge might allow limited use of the material.

Even in these cases, courts usually impose protective orders limiting how, when, and to whom the information can be shared.

With this answer, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore.
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With the DC cops under federal control and deployement of the National Guard, maybe they'll find the Epstein files.

Well, maybe DC cops will get respect now instead of having Trump pardoning the treasonous scum who attack them?
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Sounds like the National Guard should be sent to the Ozarks.

I am betting that there are individuals on the West and South Sides that would not mind the FBI or the National Guard patrolling their neighborhoods....

Chicago has police

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Oh well. An Obama appointed judge said you can't see the Maxwell grand jury transcripts.

He didn't want to get fired, so he refused to do his job. There's some irony for ya

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There's a reason these things are historically kept under wraps.

Because powerful people don't want to be exposed.

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Chicago has police

So does DC. If they are afraid to do their jobs because the mayor isn't supporting them they are not going to do shit.
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Oh well. An Obama appointed judge said you can't see the Maxwell grand jury transcripts.

The judge said releasing the material would add nothing new. I gather this means it wouldn't add anything to what's in the field.
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The judge said releasing the material would add nothing new. I gather this means it wouldn't add anything to what's in the field.

So, like Trump said, there’s nothing to see or be learned.
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He's a communist. Well known. Unless you're an idiot like Mn who doesn't know what Communism even is.

Murph is a proud co-creator of the technology that will displace more people from jobs than anything the world has ever seen. No wonder he plays the bleeding heart role to deflect from completely unending the world as we know it. His camouflage has been pretty decent but if there’s anyone I have come across that would gladly embrace eugenics and pure sociopath behavior; it’s probably Murph.
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Thanks, Trump! Maybe he can fire the people at Fitch Ratings too.....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-corporate-defaults-private-debt-202524556.html?guccounter=1

US corporate defaults on private debt rose in Q2, Fitch says

U.S. corporate issuers defaulted on privately placed debt at a higher rate in the second quarter this year than in the first quarter, ratings agency Fitch Ratings said on Monday.
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So, like Trump said, there’s nothing to see or be learned.

You are correct.  GJ testimony release is just a diversion.  All the juicy stuff is in the investigative files which are at DOJ/FBI.

The one colorable argument under that doctrine for unsealing in this case, in fact, is that
doing so would expose as disingenuous the Government’s public explanations for moving to
unseal. A member of the public, appreciating that the Maxwell grand jury materials do not
contribute anything to public knowledge, might conclude that the Government’s motion for their
unsealing was aimed not at “transparency” but at diversion—aimed not at full disclosure but at
the illusion of such. And there is precedent—In re Biaggi, the fountainhead of the Second
Circuit’s “special circumstances” doctrine—permitting a court to order the release of grand jury
testimony to correct a movant’s misleading public characterization of it.

Here's the decision.  Makes the Keystone cops look competent.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.539611/gov.uscourts.nysd.539611.809.0.pdf