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Re: The Frans
« Reply #450 on: March 08, 2022, 12:35:20 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 08, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
I mean he kind of did with all the de-commits, transfers, recruiting and so on and so forth, in the first two years.  You remember all that?  Cuonzo supposedly "owning" us?   I know he mentioned numerous times that he had to completely 180 turn some players attitudes around and rebuild the entire culture, those that didn't want to do that were shown the door and a lot of fans bitched and moaned about it at the time.

Trent Frazier a facilitator in more ways than one....without Trent and to some degree DaMonte, this ship would never have turned around imo.
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« Reply #451 on: March 08, 2022, 12:49:35 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 08, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
I mean he kind of did with all the de-commits, transfers, recruiting and so on and so forth, in the first two years.  You remember all that?  Cuonzo supposedly "owning" us?   I know he mentioned numerous times that he had to completely 180 turn some players attitudes around and rebuild the entire culture, those that didn't want to do that were shown the door and a lot of fans bitched and moaned about it at the time.

I think he probably did what most coaches do when they inherit then turn around a struggling program.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #452 on: March 08, 2022, 12:57:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 08, 2022, 12:49:35 PM
I think he probably did what most coaches do when they inherit then turn around a struggling program.

rip it down to the studs?
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« Reply #453 on: March 08, 2022, 01:16:49 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 08, 2022, 12:57:19 PM
rip it down to the studs?

Sure, lol.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #454 on: March 08, 2022, 01:52:36 PM »
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« Reply #455 on: March 08, 2022, 01:59:57 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 08, 2022, 11:09:11 AM
The first two years where he purposely tore a perpetually mediocre program down to the studs .....
Trent and DaMonte ?
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« Reply #456 on: March 08, 2022, 02:31:00 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 08, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
Trent and DaMonte ?

Those were the studs.
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« Reply #457 on: March 08, 2022, 02:46:13 PM »
Making wholesale changes seems like an obvious starting point for any coach taking over a struggling program, but I guess “ripped it down to the studs” sounds more heroic.
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« Reply #458 on: March 08, 2022, 02:51:28 PM »
They mean the same thing, not even I can imagine arguing about it.
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« Reply #459 on: March 08, 2022, 02:53:18 PM »
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« Reply #460 on: March 08, 2022, 02:54:15 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
They mean the same thing, not even I can imagine arguing about it.

You’re arguing over Davis vs Cockburn, which is somewhat subjective. So I can maybe see you arguing it.

Point was, every new coach is going to make changes and install his own culture in a struggling program. It wasn’t an extra Herculean task taken on by Underwood. It’s something literally every coach would do.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #461 on: March 08, 2022, 02:55:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 08, 2022, 02:54:15 PM
You’re arguing over Davis vs Cockburn, which is somewhat subjective. So I can maybe see you arguing it.

Point was, every new coach is going to make changes and install his own culture in a struggling program. It wasn’t an extra Herculean task taken on by Underwood. It’s something literally every coach would do.

Davis vs. Cockburn isn't even a real debate.

"Ripped it down to the studs" and "Made wholesale changes" mean exactly the same thing.

Yes, almost every coach taking over for a failed coach attempts a rebuild.  Not many of them succeed to the degree that Underwood has.
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Re: The Frans
« Reply #462 on: March 08, 2022, 03:00:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2022, 02:55:19 PM
Davis vs. Cockburn isn't even a real debate.

People who have opinions that count more than yours and mine disagree

"Ripped it down to the studs" and "Made wholesale changes" mean exactly the same thing.

Again, it’s something literally every other incoming coach would have done. Just sounds more badass
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Re: The Frans
« Reply #463 on: March 08, 2022, 03:01:55 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2022, 02:55:19 PM

Yes, almost every coach taking over for a failed coach attempts a rebuild.  Not many of them succeed to the degree that Underwood has.

That was never the point of contention.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #464 on: March 08, 2022, 03:02:48 PM »
No, the point of contention was that he said "ripped it down to the studs" instead of "made wholesale changes", hahaha
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